Against Me! Singer Tom Gabel Comes Out As Transgender, Plans On Starting Hormone Treatments - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;35889225]Ideally we wouldn't have to worry about such things, and realistically, the chance is quite low anyway. I only know two trans persons at all, and even these are mere suspicions I would never ask or speak about in real life.[/QUOTE] I know this. I was going to point that out. I was just poking fun about how much it bothers him, that's all. The chances that he'd date a woman who was a man once [I]are[/I] very very low.

[QUOTE=Cone;35889398]so you expect trans people to say that they are trans as soon as you come into contact with them do you see how unreasonable this is[/QUOTE] It's even more unreasonable to hide it!

[QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;35889401]Sorry, mam, I may have misread some of your posts and assumed that you refferred to your group as whole on accident.[/QUOTE] I'm not trans or cis anything

[QUOTE=Sanius;35889423]I'm not trans or cis anything[/QUOTE] Oh, sorry, sir.

I don't understand the many different negative attitudes towards trans people. Maybe I'm a little biased because I'm a transgirl myself, and I've always had a thought process about loving someone that was different to the social norm (and never let that influence me), but it confuses me. Why does it matter so much what's between or what used to be between someone's legs? Is that really what goes in on everyone's mind when they date someone? Even if you are sexually attracted to their gender-specific parts, you're main connection with another person is who they are. Does he or she being a man/woman prior to getting a sex change really affect how you feel about that person? I've seen stories where some people have fucking beaten or stabbed their partner because they were trans and left them. Likewise, it's not hard to put yourself in the mindset of a trans person. However, it is difficult to completely understand what exactly we go through every day in our lives. Picture this: You're a cisgender male. You love your dick, you want to stick your dick in every woman you can find. The feeling of being called a manly mother fucker, mister, and have your man mannerisms makes you feel amazing. I'm being vague here, but you get the picture. Now imagine if you had the current mentality you have about yourself, but you were biologically born a female. Wouldn't that fucking suck? Wouldn't being called miss, everyone expecting you to be girly and not masculine, have two parts of you that you don't want, etc, just hurt you every day? And to top it off, you have to live in constant fear of transphobic assholes who would actually kill people for being trans as well as fearing that the guy or girl you fall in love with is intolerant to who you are? It's a fucking horrible feeling. People who suffer trauma from a transperson hiding who they were is purely some stupid psychological bullshit. It shouldn't matter what's between someone's legs (or what used to be), love is not as shallow as "I have a dick, you have a vagina, lets fuck and be a family." It's much more than that, but the human race limits themselves to who they get as a partner because of sexual organs.

Also, this is for [B]EVERYONE[/B] to see, if someone deflects your apology for being offensive, report and move on.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;35889439]It's much more than that, but the human race limits themselves to who they get as a partner because of sexual organs.[/QUOTE] Yup, it's a harsh reality where our brains have evolved over millions of years to tell us what to find attractive, we can't be expected to overcome that easily

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;35889439]words.[/QUOTE] Maybe i'm crazy but i think you're giving love a bit too much credit.

[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35889473]Yup, it's a harsh reality where our brains have evolved over millions of years to tell us what to find attractive.[/QUOTE] your aversion to trans people is a result of your upbringing

[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35889419]It's even more unreasonable to hide it![/QUOTE] This is the kind of attitude that makes transwomen hesitant to tell who they are with that they used to be a man. I understand you're not transphobic, and supportive and such, but really think about how WE feel about it. If we just say "Oh, I used to be a man by the way" on the first date, imagine how that will go. First impressions are everything. If the they start to like and care for each other, there's a lower chance of the guy just saying "What? Yeah I'm outta here."

[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35889473]Yup, it's a harsh reality where our brains have evolved over millions of years to tell us what to find attractive, we can't be expected to overcome that easily[/QUOTE] What exactly stops you from dating a same sex partner? Is it because you're just not sexually attracted to them? Or is it because you think that's gay and people would think you're a faggot? [editline]9th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=BloodFox1222;35889482]Maybe i'm crazy but i think you're giving love a bit too much credit.[/QUOTE] I know. Like I said, I'm a little biased because I've never let society influence my thought process really. I never really cared about someone's gender or sex. People are people to me.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;35889548]What exactly stops you from dating a same sex partner?[/QUOTE] Now we're getting into dangerous territory. But to put it simply, we are designed to try to seek out a partner of the opposite sex to reproduce and pass on our genes. We are no different to any other animal in that regard

[QUOTE=Platinumcs;35889599] But to put it simply, we are designed to try to seek out a partner of the opposite sex to reproduce. [/QUOTE] no we're not [QUOTE=Platinumcs;35889599] We are no different to any other animal in that regard[/QUOTE] yes we are

[QUOTE=Sanius;35889610]yes we are[/QUOTE] How so?

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;35882992]I am confused and lack information on the hole "transgender" scene so I don't want to offend anyone, but I would still consider 'him' a 'he' until the operation is done.[/QUOTE] Doing that just shows a lack of respect.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;35889548] I know. Like I said, I'm a little biased because I've never let society influence my thought process really. I never really cared about someone's gender or sex. People are people to me.[/QUOTE] Yeah but you probably don't care much about reproduction and most people do and i think that is the key factor, Not societys influence.

[QUOTE=BloodFox1222;35889634]Yeah but you probably don't care much about reproduction and most people do and i think that is the key factor, Not societys influence.[/QUOTE] Possibly. But then again, I didn't care about children when I was a male. But after realizing I'm an MtF transsexual I do have a strong desire to be a mother later on in my life. It just breaks my heart that I can't have a biological child. :/ Although in your argument, people do care about reproduction, yes, but sometimes a partner may find out later that their partner is sterile. Does that stop them from loving that person? No.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;35889548]What exactly stops you from dating a same sex partner? Is it because you're just not sexually attracted to them? Or is it because you think that's gay and people would think you're a faggot? [editline]9th May 2012[/editline] I know. Like I said, I'm a little biased because I've never let society influence my thought process really. I never really cared about someone's gender or sex. People are people to me.[/QUOTE] People also have to remember, if you have a penis that doesnt mean you have to be only a guy, women and men can have penises, just like how men and women can have vaginas, the genitals doesnt mean what gender you are

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;35889661] Although in your argument, people do care about reproduction, yes, but sometimes a partner may find out later that their partner is sterile. Does that stop them from loving that person? No.[/QUOTE] Adoption or sperm donations, And while you could say the same thing about a MtF it just isn't the same at least in my mind because its still a man under all that.

[QUOTE=BloodFox1222;35889751]Adoption or sperm donations, And while you could say the same thing about a MtF it just isn't the same at least in my mind because its still a man under all that.[/QUOTE] So they take hormones, grow tits, get softer skin, have periods besides the bleeding just like a normal girl, get their sex drive lowered and develop a female sex drive, but since they were a man before they realized their true gender that means their "only a man under all that"

Guys, I've been up way too long on this thread, so I'll apologize once more for that poor analogy. However, my stance is still the same. I would [I]really [/I] dislike my partner hiding the fact they used to be a man. That's not stopping me from loving every one of you guys as a person, because life is too short to worry about other people's choices that don't affect me. Night everyone :smile:

[QUOTE=BloodFox1222;35889751]Adoption or sperm donations, And while you could say the same thing about a MtF it just isn't the same at least in my mind because its still a man under all that.[/QUOTE] After taking Testosterone Blockers and Estrogen, you pretty much kill all your sperm. So no, sperm donation is out of the question unless I get my sperm frozen prior to starting HRT. At the same time, I'm sure a cis-man would want it to be his sperm that goes in a surrogate mother, not mine, so I'd have to get a girlfriend if I wanted it to be both ours. And I'm not a fucking man. Just like how you're not a woman. That hurts.

[QUOTE=Jrock455;35889805]So they take hormones, grow tits, get softer skin, have periods besides the bleeding just like a normal girl, get their sex drive lowered and develop a female sex drive, but since they were a man before they realized their true gender that means their "only a man under all that"[/QUOTE] I don't believe in true gender. Its not a religious thing and i wasn't influenced by anything its just my personal belief. I won't protest it or discriminate it just feels wrong to me. I can't really explain why.

I can tell that platinumcs is truly sorry because he spent $2 to give me a title [editline]1[/editline] nvm he spent $4. he must be super sorry

[QUOTE=Sanius;35890125]I can tell that platinumcs is truly sorry because he spent $2 to give me a title [editline]1[/editline] nvm he spent $4. he must be super sorry[/QUOTE] Wow, he changed it to "I am a fucking retard please disregard all my posts?" What a child.

I'll change it back for you, Sanius.

don't I like this one. yours was too big

[QUOTE=Jrock455;35889689]People also have to remember, if you have a penis that doesnt mean you have to be only a guy, women and men can have penises, just like how men and women can have vaginas, the genitals doesnt mean what gender you are[/QUOTE] I'm so happy someone finally brought this up in a trans related thread and got Winners for it. <3

[QUOTE=Sanius;35890221]don't I like this one. yours was too big[/QUOTE] IMO buying a oversized title should be a bannable offense. [I]BUT[/I] let's get back on track before it's too late.

[QUOTE=Sanius;35890221]don't I like this one. yours was too big[/QUOTE] I can make it smaller?