Goldsmiths Students' Union diversity officer explains she cannot be racist or sexist because she is - Polidicks

[QUOTE=DrTaxi;47725071]Comic's 100% factually correct, as well as 100% missing the point.[/QUOTE] The sad part is that I can use the same reasoning they use in that comic to take all meaning out of words like "misogynistic", "racist", "sexist", etc. you can basically take all of the venom out of their words, making them useless by that same logic.

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;47723096][I]"LGBTQ+"[/I] Whats the plus for? I swear this initialism gets longer every time I see it.[/QUOTE] LGBTQWTFBBQ?

I had something like this when I was in highschool. I went to a predominantly white upper middle class private school, and the staff thought out would be a good idea to bring in a diversity officer. It didn't go over very well with the student body since it basically turned into the diversity officer shamming everyone. She was gone 6 months later.

From my shithole "diversity officer" sounds kinda Orwellian. Hi, my name's Joe, I'm a Diversity officer, Equality Division of Ministry of Love. You can call me "sir".

No shit "reverse racism" isn't real. If you hate all white people, then guess what? [i]You're just a plain ol' garden variety racist.[/i]

[QUOTE=DrTaxi;47725071]Comic's 100% factually correct, as well as 100% missing the point.[/QUOTE] I think I should finish this thought, by the way. The argument against people like the OP is: - Racism [I]by the dictionary definition[/I] is bad. - What you are doing is racist. - Therefore, what you are doing is bad. The argument against that is: - The dictionary definition of racism was written by bad people, we should be using my definition instead. - What I'm doing isn't racist [I]by my definition[/I]. - Therefore, what I'm doing isn't bad. This is a clever way of expressing "racism by the dictionary definition isn't necessarily bad, so it doesn't matter whether I am" without explicitly saying it. Because if you try arguing that racism is okay, the vast majority of people just stop listening, [I]even if they'd actually agree with you if they were able to suspend their emotional response and hear you out[/I]. Imagine someone visits Germany, sees a memorial for the Nazi resistance movement, and asks, "Why do you have a memorial for these people? They're criminals!" And they're technically correct. The resistance movement, which worked against the Nazi propaganda, hid Jews from the police etc. violated many Third Reich laws. But they're not what we think of when we think of criminals - we think of thieves and murderers. When we hear someone's a criminal, we assume we agree that whatever law they violated was justified. Now, most of us believe the law has been wrong throughout most of history, and we're already inclined to hate the Nazis, so "yeah they were criminals, but the law was wrong" isn't a hard sell there. And we have a similar situation here: When we think of racism, we think of slavery and apartheid. Not people of color wanting to be left alone by white people when discussing how to work against their issues. I personally feel that excluding people from a group based solely on their heritage (and/or gender) is bad regardless of context, so I [B]still[/B] don't like what they're doing - but you gotta admit that that lacks all the connotations of massive injustice that we think of when we hear "racism" and make us consider it so unjustifiable. So yeah, people like OP are being dishonest, but it's not like they have any other choice. Their opinion challenges widely held preconceptions, so if they were being honest, a lot more people would be inclined to disagree with them - most of them [I]for the entirely wrong reason[/I].

[QUOTE=itisjuly;47724090]Yeah that's why I don't understand why Germans have this nazi guilt. Yeah we get it there was Hitler and he did bad things, but it isn't any more so stop being so ass about it.[/QUOTE] The Nazi guilt is kinda constructed by foreign media to an extent. Just consider the sheer amount of ww2 games, movies and books. Now consider in how many are germans portrayed as monsters. In how many neutral at best and in how many as at least positive.

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;47725773]How do you politely tell these people they have departed reality?[/QUOTE] They're not gonna react politely no matter how nicely you wrap it up, so why not just be blunt and factual?

[QUOTE=wraithcat;47725757]The Nazi guilt is kinda constructed by foreign media to an extent. Just consider the sheer amount of ww2 games, movies and books. Now consider in how many are germans portrayed as monsters. In how many neutral at best and in how many as at least positive.[/QUOTE] As someone who lives in Germany - it might seem like that from the outside but that really isn't the reason.

[QUOTE=download;47723059]I've now gotten to the point where I just dismiss anyone who uses the word 'privilege' in a serious manner[/QUOTE] Speaking as someone in the social work profession, privelege is an actual thing. It's the curse of people in my profession to now be dismissed out of hand because preadolescent tumblr landwhales hijacked our terminology and blew everything out of proportion.

[QUOTE=archangel125;47725905]Speaking as someone in the social work profession, privelege is an actual thing. It's the curse of people in my profession to now be dismissed out of hand because preadolescent tumblr landwhales hijacked our terminology and blew everything out of proportion.[/QUOTE] I think the worst part is how they take this one-dimensional/hierarchical model and think it perfectly represents real societies.

[QUOTE=archangel125;47725905]Speaking as someone in the social work profession, privelege is an actual thing. It's the curse of people in my profession to now be dismissed out of hand because preadolescent tumblr landwhales hijacked our terminology and blew everything out of proportion.[/QUOTE] It's a shame, but the only thing they are doing effectively is diluting the meanings of words.

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;47723490]Just to make it less silly, she's referring to the sociological/academic context of racism/sexism instead of the dictionary/colloquial context that everyone else is referring to. She knows for sure that everyone uses the dictionary/colloquial context of the term though.[/QUOTE] This strange redefinition of racism has been going on for a while, too. People will willfully exploit the difference between institutional racism and racism, and so when people say "Uh you can totally be a racist minority what are you talking about" they can easily turn around and say "NO YOU IDIOT I WAS TALKING ABOUT INSTITUTIONAL RACISM."

I think the best acronym is GBLT, because then you can make jokes about GBLT sandwiches.

So, since Asian Americans are typically doing better off on average than their African American counterparts in the U.S. and thus have more "Privilege". I guess it's not racist by her definition for a black person to call asians "chinks" and "gooks" and shit like that.

[QUOTE=MR-X;47723084]Does not take a college education to know anyone can be racist or sexist, maybe you should stop man hating and pay attention to your classes.[/QUOTE] One thing is for certain, she got the privilege to attend college. Millions of people don't because of many different reasons.

One of my school's newspapers did this before it was cool: [URL]http://www.mcgilldaily.com/2012/11/all-racism-happens-because-of-whiteness/[/URL] Almost everyone mocked them. We all still had to pay them fees though because of some BS written into their charter and the general apathy of the student population.

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;47723155]I never really liked that term, its always seemed demeaning regardless of intent.[/QUOTE] I grew up with the word 'queer' to be synonymous with 'weird or very odd' and that's how I use it in my language. Unfortunately, I do this without thinking sometimes and it comes back with bad backlash. "Oh, that was a queer thing he did" "What?? He's not gay! What, are you a bigot or something??"

[QUOTE=DeathDoom;47723599]no joke, for my introductory sociology course, our prof refers to it as "LBGTQQPIAAA"[/QUOTE] The longer they get the more useless they become as descriptive terms. It feels like the movement is focusing on increasingly smaller problems and challenges as all of the hard ones are tackled first, but they attack the new problems with more strength with each success, and become angrier as each new generation feels like they achieve less in the fight against tyranny than their predecessors did.

Angrier? Leftist movements had much more violent elements in history.

i don't think she realizes just how many privileges she has. I doubt she's ever even been a victim of actual racism [editline]16th May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=itisjuly;47723931]I hate people like that. Yeah it sucks about the past but I didn't do, just because people who did it shared same skin color as me does not make me guilty of shit.[/QUOTE] we should be rewarded for ending slavery

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;47723096][I]"LGBTQ+"[/I] Whats the plus for? I swear this initialism gets longer every time I see it.[/QUOTE] Last I checked the Q was an offensive slur so idk why that's even tacked on there. Also if you're using the words election and manifesto in the same sentence in today's world you've got your head up your ass

[QUOTE=Deng;47733502]The longer they get the more useless they become as descriptive terms. It feels like the movement is focusing on increasingly smaller problems and challenges as all of the hard ones are tackled first, but they attack the new problems with more strength with each success, and become angrier as each new generation feels like they achieve less in the fight against tyranny than their predecessors did.[/QUOTE] I think they want to relive the glory days of 60s and 70s feminism, except as you said they've run out of things to do.

[QUOTE=DrTaxi;47733852]Angrier? Leftist movements had much more violent elements in history.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, I just hope it doesn't go to that extent for LGBT in the end.

[b]WORD WALL AHEAD[/b] Honestly i feel like these exclusionary tactics are only turning that very same populace against them. Perhaps these white and/or men were interested in what the deal was but now that they have been intentionally excluded for reasons entirely beyond their control, they probably are just force-feeding the same cycle that they're so pissed off about, aka "the angry white man". They treat diversity as not a passive adjective of a community but an activity to be accomplished, and have subsequently diluted it to mean "everyone but white men". The "diversity" ends up exactly the opposite: typically just a bunch of white women. Diversity lives and dies on the fact that no one group dominates the group in numbers. As was mentioned on the last page, there IS a difference between racism and institutionalized racism. Racism as a blanket term is pretty damn simple; the internalized prejudice against a certain race. Institutionalized racism is just a step up, turning that prejudice into social, economic, and political disadvantages for that particular race. It is still totally possible to be racist and not inhibit those social factors against that race. Ironically, by internalizing this belief that all white men are evil, racist, sexist rapists and pushing them away and mocking them for the sole act of existing in the first place, new age feminism is doing the exact opposite of what we'll call "positive feminism" set out to do. It's separating men and women and pushing them apart, eliminating any kind of rapport, which was critical in how original feminism succeeded in the old days. It's setting a precedent for extremism, in short. Feminism is extremely important to me, but at this point i can only sit and watch as positive progress is halted, then reversed. The tumblr model of feminism and social """"advancement"""" became the norm. It's just depressing to watch. These people are full of bile and hatred, just because they can. It's come down to petty snubs and the twisting of the original ideals that i and many others hold so dearly. I totally understand that there exist in this world a number of sexist/racist pigs. But you know what? How are you supposed to know which individual you meet fits that description until you talk to them? In the end that's not really what they care about though. What they say is that they want a "safe space" for women and minorities, and i'm like yeah.... ok...i can sort of get on board with that? Kinda? But what that implies is that ALL women and ALL minorities NEED that "safe space". Which immediately sets a precedence: If ALL women and ALL minorities need a safe space, who ever else DOESNT need a safe space MUST be the reason why this safe space exists at all. In this case, it's white men. And from the get go, white men have become the enemy. They bring up the slave history and european imperialism and shit like that, right? All of which has been undone over a century ago, mind you. And they set this ideal that white people should be shameful just for existing because of all these bad things that this collective idea of "white people" as a whole did over a hundred years ago, then berate them for feeling "white guilt". Slavery and Imperialism was fucked, yes. But if you really want to turn the tables on them, the truth is that the white man didn't invent slavery, nor imperialism, and was definitely not the only one to perpetrate them. The only reason europeans got african slaves in the first place was because violent tribes near the western cost of africa sold off the conquered men, women, and children of rival tribes to the european traders for weapons. They didn't sweep in and conquer and kill tribes themselves. The true perpetrator of African Slavery, ironically, was Africans. Not to mention the most recent country to hold an empire was Japan, and behind that, the Ottoman Empire. Neither or which are European. PLUS, the idea that POC(which on it's own is a troublesome term, to collectively group every single non-white minority into a single, easy-to-term group is pretty racist on it's own) being dominated by white people in general is ameri-centric, completely ignoring any kind of social structuring in other countries. To wrap this up because it's 6:15 and i should have gone to bed like 3 hours ago, everything about tumblr feminism and social justice is ignorant and even racist in it's own right. Ironic and hilarious all at once. [b]TL;DR all the attempts to be politically correct just resulted in it's own brand of racism, ignorance, and extremism.[/b]

[QUOTE=Sableye;47734049]Last I checked the Q was an offensive slur so idk why that's even tacked on there. Also if you're using the words election and manifesto in the same sentence in today's world you've got your head up your ass[/QUOTE] It's funny because Queer gets used over here (as in the UK) without any negative connotations by people who identify as it. My old Uni's LGBTQ society was called just that

but isn't queer the same thing as gay and lesbian?

[QUOTE=mastfire;47739069]but isn't queer the same thing as gay and lesbian?[/QUOTE] Its used by the LGBT community as a catch all term for "Not white, not cis, not straight". But if you're not IN the LGBT community and use the term queer, be warned, you instantly become "the oppressor". I know first hand. I'm in the community, and i used the term queer. Because i am a white male, i was automatically assumed to be straight as well and was lectured at about how only the LGBT community can use it. The look on their face when i told them i was Bi. Will fill me with joy for the rest of my days.

[QUOTE=download;47734122]I think they want to relive the glory days of 60s and 70s feminism, except as you said they've run out of things to do.[/QUOTE] It's not just feminism; social acitivsim in general seems to want to relive the 60s. The problems is that there's no moderate groups, like MLK Jr, to sway the public and they're godawful at picking martyrs for their causes, which delegitimizes their complaints.

[QUOTE=ossumsauce;47739087]Its used by the LGBT community as a catch all term for "Not white, not cis, not straight". But if you're not IN the LGBT community and use the term queer, be warned, you instantly become "the oppressor". I know first hand. I'm in the community, and i used the term queer. Because i am a white male, i was automatically assumed to be straight as well and was lectured at about how only the LGBT community can use it. The look on their face when i told them i was Bi. Will fill me with joy for the rest of my days.[/QUOTE] It's surprising how much animosity some of the LGBT community has, especially towards one another.