• Germany accuses France of being 'Europe's biggest problem child'
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[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40501365]What about Spain, Italy, Greece, Serbia, Albania, Cyrpus, Romania, Bulgaria, Estonia.... Also, is it true that you have 80% taxes in many area's Frenchies?[/QUOTE] Romania and Bulgaria are experiencing growth, so they aren't affecting EU's economy.
[QUOTE=person11;40502358]Taxes for the rich should go up to pre-Sarko levels Did he not lower them because he feels bad taxing for half of income? It's like, come on Sarkozy we aren't supposed to feel bad about taxing the rich a lot we're [i]French[/i][/QUOTE] Maybe they were higher than 50%, the highest rate currently is 49%. Weird.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;40502130]It's turbulent because previous government was really really really corrupted. Not to mention how Kosovo is dragging every single citizen of Serbia down (on average one citizen loses 18 euros daily because of Kosovo). Once we sort all of those things (just like current government plans to put end to all of that unlike the previous one who just pulled people by the noses), Serbia should get p good economy.[/QUOTE] And how would you recommend 'sorting' Kosovo exactly?
I could write my opinion here but I really don't want to so I wont. It's a fact that even if we "bring" the whole Kosovo back, we would have ~1.5 mil people not wanting to live inside Serbia (at least Hungarians in Voivodina are cool), but as I said I wont go any further. I just want you to remember the situation pre 99', in '99, in 04', in '08 and today. I also hope that you will see this post in several years and see how things actually ended up (or will end up if we speak in the present). The fact is that while DSS was the ruling party they had much better chance and much more options at solving problems with Kosovo. It's only now that SNS decided to do something about it while DSS is whining and shifting to blame to SNS, while DSS did jack shit and only stole the money from the country.
[QUOTE=Bliblixe;40503053]Maybe they were higher than 50%, the highest rate currently is 49%. Weird.[/QUOTE] He lowered them to 49 from like 55-60 or something.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;40504579]I could write my opinion here but I really don't want to so I wont.[/quote] If you have no intention of elaborating, then please do not post. [QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;40504579]It's a fact that even if we "bring" the whole Kosovo back, we would have ~1.5 mil people not wanting to live inside Serbia (at least Hungarians in Voivodina are cool), but as I said I wont go any further. I just want you to remember the situation pre 99', in '99, in 04', in '08 and today. I also hope that you will see this post in several years and see how things actually ended up (or will end up if we speak in the present). The fact is that while DSS was the ruling party they had much better chance and much more options at solving problems with Kosovo. It's only now that SNS decided to do something about it while DSS is whining and shifting to blame to SNS, while DSS did jack shit and only stole the money from the country.[/QUOTE] I understand you feel quite assured of yourself, and of course I do not hate Serbia or Serbians, but as with all issues of this sort, time will ultimately decide the outcome. You seem to be aware of this, so if nothing else we'll just have to see how Kosovo runs itself.
Well you did ask me a question, I just responded to it (or was I supposed to ignore you)? The thing you're wrong about is that Kosovo runs itself. Let's be real here, it's got highest unemployment rate, it's gateway for drugs in Europe, all in all it's criminal haven down there. Ask any average Albanian or Serbian down there and they will all tell you that US is the one pulling the strings. I'm not even going full conspiracy theorist on this, it's just a fact (and a public secret shall we say). Even if the US decides to go away all of a sudden (which it wont), do you really thing democracy will rule down there? Even the part with Serbians is ran by mafia, let alone the Albanian part (with UCK). The next thing that will pop after Kosovo will be western Macedonia (but as we concluded before, time will tell everything). Whole thing about Kosovo isn't about the land or people here itself, it's a geopolitical battle between big powers.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;40505020]Well you did ask me a question, I just responded to it (or was I supposed to ignore you)? The thing you're wrong about is that Kosovo runs itself. Let's be real here, it's got highest unemployment rate, it's gateway for drugs in Europe, all in all it's criminal haven down there. Ask any average Albanian or Serbian down there and they will all tell you that US is the one pulling the strings. I'm not even going full conspiracy theorist on this, it's just a fact (and a public secret shall we say). Even if the US decides to go away all of a sudden (which it wont), do you really thing democracy will rule down there? Even the part with Serbians is ran by mafia, let alone the Albanian part (with UCK). The next thing that will pop after Kosovo will be western Macedonia (but as we concluded before, time will tell everything). Whole thing about Kosovo isn't about the land or people here itself, it's a geopolitical battle between big powers.[/QUOTE] Only a blind idiot thinks that USA got nothing to do with this. Without the US, who's going to help Kosovo against Serbia? The EU? LOL! I won't conclude yet if Kosovo was a bad/good idea, but Dayton Agreement is a fucking mistake. [editline]3rd May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Bliblixe;40501019] Now look at what Germany wants everyone to do : austerity => no growth => little new employment => the retirement system we have going on might someday fail. What they're suggesting is to keep pushing forward the retirement age by pulling the "we're living longer" card. We fought for decades to gain the right not to be working 'til you're 70 / 75 yrs, we're not coming back on this one.[/QUOTE] Oh yes. The bloody virtuous North with their oh-so Protestant Work Ethic telling the south to stop being lazy and reduce public spending yet the north is a heavy public spender and works less. [QUOTE]Devaluate the euro[/QUOTE] Good luck with that! [QUOTE]Oh and bring the European Central Bank to Europe. As it is right now, the European bank lends money to banks with 0 or 1% interest. Then those banks lend that money to the European countries with high interest rates. This is just stupid and the only winner here are the private banks. We should just flip those banks off and get credits directly from the European Central Bank. This is what it was meant for after all, let the EU help its members in need.[/QUOTE] To be fair, France is now receiving this old post-WW2 medicine. This hands-off approach the Germans are imposing to us, have driven them up the wall when it was imposed to them during post-WW2 by the Allies.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;40505020]Well you did ask me a question, I just responded to it (or was I supposed to ignore you)? The thing you're wrong about is that Kosovo runs itself. Let's be real here, it's got highest unemployment rate, it's gateway for drugs in Europe, all in all it's criminal haven down there. Ask any average Albanian or Serbian down there and they will all tell you that US is the one pulling the strings. I'm not even going full conspiracy theorist on this, it's just a fact (and a public secret shall we say). Even if the US decides to go away all of a sudden (which it wont), do you really thing democracy will rule down there? Even the part with Serbians is ran by mafia, let alone the Albanian part (with UCK). The next thing that will pop after Kosovo will be western Macedonia (but as we concluded before, time will tell everything). Whole thing about Kosovo isn't about the land or people here itself, it's a geopolitical battle between big powers.[/QUOTE] Well no, I don't mean you were supposed to ignore it, but if you're going to respond, don't respond with "oh well I won't post my opinion". That'll get you banned 10 times faster than posted something potentially racist. Second, of course the US has some level of power with regard to the Kosovo situation, but don't kid yourself into thinking the US is the only one supporting Kosovar independence. As I've said in the past, a majority of EU states recognize their government as well.
And how many of those support it only because US told them to/influenced them? It's even been proven that Albanian Kosovars go on campaings (esp. around Africa) and bribe officials to approve of it's independence. We can pretend NATO is independent and whatnot, but let's be real and say that US at the very least has a huge influence on it. I mean for christ sake, Montenegro which is literally 50% Serbian (and the other half is montenegrin (which is p much made up faction, but I wont go into that)) approved of it's independence. Where is the logic behind that? I'm not saying US is the only country which benefits from the Kosovo situation, but it is the one who's controlling it completely.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;40494905]Are you retarded?[/QUOTE] Do you really have to be a prick about it? Fine, I'm wrong. Whatever. It happens sometimes. But going around and accusing me of being retarded based on the fact that I was somewhat wrong about the minor details of an event, regardless of how much of an impact the event as a whole had on history, is not cool in the slightest.
I feel bad for modern-day Germany. They've changed so much over the past seventy years, yet they can't seem to shake their association with the Nazi Party. Give them a break.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;40508599]And how many of those support it only because US told them to/influenced them? It's even been proven that Albanian Kosovars go on campaings (esp. around Africa) and bribe officials to approve of it's independence. We can pretend NATO is independent and whatnot, but let's be real and say that US at the very least has a huge influence on it. I mean for christ sake, Montenegro which is literally 50% Serbian (and the other half is montenegrin (which is p much made up faction, but I wont go into that)) approved of it's independence. Where is the logic behind that? I'm not saying US is the only country which benefits from the Kosovo situation, but it is the one who's controlling it completely.[/QUOTE] The only reason everyone wants Kosovo to be independent is to dump their nuclear waste there
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;40508599]And how many of those support it only because US told them to/influenced them? It's even been proven that Albanian Kosovars go on campaings (esp. around Africa) and bribe officials to approve of it's independence. We can pretend NATO is independent and whatnot, but let's be real and say that US at the very least has a huge influence on it. I mean for christ sake, Montenegro which is literally 50% Serbian (and the other half is montenegrin (which is p much made up faction, but I wont go into that)) approved of it's independence. Where is the logic behind that? I'm not saying US is the only country which benefits from the Kosovo situation, but it is the one who's controlling it completely.[/QUOTE] Of course the US has influence on the issue, as any world power does on issues of this kind, but are you seriously trying to suggest that the European nations have no independence of their own when it comes to foreign policy? Many of them didn't go with US forces into Iraq when that was going on, I'd wager they're capable of making their own decisions.
[QUOTE=redhaven;40507308]Only a blind idiot thinks that USA got nothing to do with this. Without the US, who's going to help Kosovo against Serbia? The EU? LOL![/QUOTE] Yes. 5,346,322 military personnel and the second world's biggest military budget as whole is enough to handle the Kosovo situation in case of a serbian invasion. Hell even just the UK or France could do it. You need to stop thinking "us army is dominate everything else is shit". [QUOTE=redhaven;40507308]Oh yes. The bloody virtuous North with their oh-so Protestant Work Ethic telling the south to stop being lazy and reduce public spending yet the north is a heavy public spender and works less.[/QUOTE] If you're talking about the North as a whole, I guess yes, you're right to denounce that. But every country has its culture regarding to work. Picking on France is not really a smart move, we've been advocating workers' right around the world for decades. [QUOTE=redhaven;40507308]Good luck with that![/QUOTE] Wouldn't be so hard to achieve. Long-short story : "we're doing it wrong, it hasn't worked so far, devaluate the euro or we're off and go back to franc. You'll lose one of the most important economical power of the EU making it collapse upon itself while we're just going to gradually sort our shit by ourselves". That'd require some balls and a middle finger to wall street, but in the end, we'd be able to export cheap goods, attract some industries back and recover. That plus developping seaside industries, which is pretty much the best thing to do right now. [QUOTE=redhaven;40507308]To be fair, France is now receiving this old post-WW2 medicine. This hands-off approach the Germans are imposing to us, have driven them up the wall when it was imposed to them during post-WW2 by the Allies.[/QUOTE] You're thinking of WW1 and the Versailles treaty, which was retarded. That doesn't mean we have to keep grudges 70 years later. Else we'd still be blaming Germany for the holocaust and the destruction of London. Besides, as mentionned earlier, sinking France would pretty much sink the EU. [editline]3rd May 2013[/editline] On that second point, I forgot to mention tourism, going back to Franc would make trips here cheaper and attract even more tourists. Our economy is incredibly reliant on that.
The Euro is not a bad idea, it is only being implemented badly. Why keep inflation low and the interest rate high during harsh economic times? Makes no sense. It should be devalued more.
[QUOTE=person11;40514745]The Euro is not a bad idea, it is only being implemented badly. Why keep inflation low and the interest rate high during harsh economic times? Makes no sense. It should be devalued more.[/QUOTE] The interest rate just got dropped to 0.5%, how is that high? The Euro won't truly work without a federal Europe..
Nevermind that part then. I just feel that devaluing the Euro would help everyone, would it not?
[QUOTE=thisispain;40494980]serbian defense force, initiate operation serbia strong[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-EQJA8Ahac[/media]
Wow you guys, its probably just about the Strasbourg bullshit
[QUOTE=butt2089;40514842]The interest rate just got dropped to 0.5%, how is that high? The Euro won't truly work without a federal Europe..[/QUOTE] This is not going to happen. I used to be all for it until I finally got to vote and figured I like having control over my country and being a in sovereign nation. Europe has lots of countries with lots of different cultures, history (which can be a problem between some of them) and mentality, a federal Europe just wouldn't work as it would in countries who has already been using this system for long such as the US or India. We're all entitled to our country in a way and I doubt everyone would like to just forget that and allow a higher court to pressure their elected governement. [QUOTE=person11;40515554]Nevermind that part then. I just feel that devaluing the Euro would help everyone, would it not?[/QUOTE] It would help everyone aside from the banks and rich people who like their money to be worth more than it really is worth. Looks like the latter gets our governements' attention.
[QUOTE=Bliblixe;40519932]This is not going to happen. I used to be all for it until I finally got to vote and figured I like having control over my country and being a in sovereign nation. Europe has lots of countries with lots of different cultures, history (which can be a problem between some of them) and mentality, a federal Europe just wouldn't work as it would in countries who has already been using this system for long such as the US or India. We're all entitled to our country in a way and I doubt everyone would like to just forget that and allow a higher court to pressure their elected governement.[/QUOTE] Except that what you're describing already exists. Besides, if you feel some kind of moral outrage at the premise of 'turning power over to Brussels', why do you feel alright with 'turning power over to Paris' or 'turning power over to the local mayor/municipal government'?
[QUOTE=Megafan;40520453]Except that what you're describing already exists. Besides, if you feel some kind of moral outrage at the premise of 'turning power over to Brussels', why do you feel alright with 'turning power over to Paris' or 'turning power over to the local mayor/municipal government'?[/QUOTE] Except the EU doesn't have that much power on a country's legislation. We choose to ratify treaties. Take the European Human Rights court for instance, this is a joke, every country can just decide to ignore their rulings. So far the EU really has power on economical matters, what it was meant to be. Making it a federal Europe would have an effect on a country's law and would add political institutions which would be on top of the ones elected by a country's citizens. That would be a disaster and would create the exact opposite of what the goal of this project is : instability. People already feel left out of their country's politics as it is, that'd only make it worse. And assuming for a second that's a great idea and there's no reason it'd just go wrong, it probably will never happen. This sort of stuff is decided by referendum and I don't know of any country which has < 50% of citizens that would vote for this any time soon. [editline]4th May 2013[/editline] maybe there are, but I really doubt there would be enough of them to even consider it to be a thing
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