Romani given £1m grant 'turned camp into cannabis factory'
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Stupid idea to give them money, shouldve given them resources instead, if they wanted them to have a community centre then give them one. Its not a good idea to give raw money to the poor, people who've never had money dont exactly make the best decisions when it comes to spending it. You're better off educating them and giving them opportunities to make money themselves.
[QUOTE=cathal6606;47248791]Stupid idea to give them money, shouldve given them resources instead, if they wanted them to have a community centre then give them one. Its not a good idea to give raw money to the poor, people who've never had money dont exactly make the best decisions when it comes to spending it. You're better off educating them and giving them opportunities to make money themselves.[/QUOTE]
Well... To be fair, they did invest it into something that would've paid off and then some. If weed was legal, they would've been applauded for their entrepreneurial spirit.
[QUOTE=Blanketspace;47246467]To be fair, they would have paid off the entire investment in around five years, and would have been making nothing but profit after that point, making their community quite possibly one of the most productive caravan sites.[/QUOTE]
You didn't account for expenses, it was not a clean profit of 250K, its just the value they produced. For all we know, the expenses can be up to 200K
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;47246462]Yeah they could open a rival garden center to sell fertilizer, grow lights and compost to other local growers instead.
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You joke about this but just up the road from me someone opened an obvious grow supplies shop.
[QUOTE=cathal6606;47248791]Stupid idea to give them money, shouldve given them resources instead, if they wanted them to have a community centre then give them one. Its not a good idea to give raw money to the poor, people who've never had money dont exactly make the best decisions when it comes to spending it. You're better off educating them and giving them opportunities to make money themselves.[/QUOTE]
No matter what you gave them the most likely would have just sold it all.
[QUOTE=MIPS;47246400]somethingsomething something stereotypes.
Seriously, you keep giving them money/housing/jobs to clean up and it almost always goes AWOL. Did they really have nothing better to do with the money besides grow weed?
Pardon me for sounding like an extremely insensitive snob but it's almost like they WANT to stay at the third world scum-tier lifestyle. We give them all the help you could imagine and they simply refuse to do anything with it. I know places up north that have been begging for a million dollar grant for decades and our government keeps calling back going "pfft, you don't NEED running water."
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The Romas.[/QUOTE]
Ladies and gentlemen, the guy who complained about having to see homeless people on his way to work a few weeks ago.
We went to Merthyr Tyfdil in primary school for a trip, I am honestly not surprised about this story
Nowhere in the article does it say Roma gypsies.
They are talking about Irish travellers, completely different.
[quote]"Before today, a small minority of individuals linked to the site had done their best to prevent outside engagement with the site, and it is now clear why.[/quote]
Cool cool, the rest of the article is written like the whole community was involved.
[QUOTE=Killuah;47248989]Cool cool, the rest of the article is written like the whole community was involved.[/QUOTE]
12 out of 24 caravan sites were being used for growing.
No way the whole community wasn't involved at some level.
but the article doesn't say what the money was used for, caravans, the centre, what?
[QUOTE=MIPS;47246400]The Romas.[/QUOTE]
Then congrats, you're perpetuating the same line of thought that has done nothing but helped keep them in their current state for over a hundred years.
[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;47249105]Then congrats, you're perpetuating the same line of thought that has done nothing but helped keep them in their current state for over a hundred years.[/QUOTE]
Stories like this don't exactly help correct those perceptions.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47249155]Stories like this don't exactly help correct those perceptions.[/QUOTE]
that's because people don't think about why these perceptions exist in the first place
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Pardon me for sounding like an extremely insensitive snob but it's almost like they WANT to stay at the third world scum-tier lifestyle.[/QUOTE]
Well, they do.
At least around here;
they don't have to pay most if any taxes, and their little community get's left alone by most authorities.
Not Roma's persé but anyone on a camp like this.
So yeah, they like living secluded, in their own little (so called third world) community.
Can't say I completely disagree, to be honest; next to the stigma that comes with living on a camp like that.
[editline]3rd March 2015[/editline]
Also Hey OH!;
massive pot farms.
[QUOTE=Teddi Orange;47248845]No matter what you gave them the most likely would have just sold it all.[/QUOTE]
True, but they could have built a community centre and then just have given them access to it.
[QUOTE=maeZtro;47250005]True, but they could have built a community centre and then just have given them access to it.[/QUOTE]
And I'm not trying to judge a book by it's cover or have prejudice against them, but they probably would have slowly torn it apart.
It feels rather mean to say this given I know a few travellers, but at the same time I know their way of thinking is 'no one else is using this, how can I use it'. To them it's trying to put something to better use than what it currently already is.
Id rather want my weed produced by vietnamese and danish rednecks than gypsies.
[QUOTE=Teddi Orange;47250039]And I'm not trying to judge a book by it's cover or have prejudice against them, but they probably would have slowly torn it apart.
It feels rather mean to say this given I know a few travellers, but at the same time I know their way of thinking is 'no one else is using this, how can I use it'. To them it's trying to put something to better use than what it currently already is.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's prejudice at all. The Romas have a culture that is strange to most of us and to be honest, many parts of it is in direct conflict with modern society. They don't want their kids in school, they don't wanna see doctors when they get sick, stealing is much more subjective to many of them, they don't think they should pay taxes etc. This is of course not true about every single one of them but seeing what this particular group did with the money I don't think they would have any problem with tearing it apart as you say. I just think that if you want to try to give them a community centre, giving them a shitload of money is the wrong way to go about it.
[QUOTE=Cone;47247093]oh boy i can't wait to see where this line of thought goes[/QUOTE]
We've already tried doing the same with criminals :v:
[QUOTE=catbarf;47249155]Stories like this don't exactly help correct those perceptions.[/QUOTE]
You have to look at the causes of things to solve them.
[QUOTE=Worldwaker;47246534]So basically they raided the equivalent of a lemonade stand. That amount of product is laughably, [I]laughably[/I] tiny compared to an actual bust of worth. Here in the US they're seizing tens of millions of dollars in [U]single shipments.[/U][/QUOTE]
I wouldn't be surprised if they'd just knocked a stock tent up in the housings and grown maybe 20 plants or so, we don't really do large scale operations in Europe.
It's much more affordable for us to serve a 4 month sentence along with 5 other guys than to take the full blast yourself.
[QUOTE=Tools;47252166]we don't really do large scale operations in Europe.
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Haha, okay.
[QUOTE=Worldwaker;47246534]So basically they raided the equivalent of a lemonade stand. That amount of product is laughably, [I]laughably[/I] tiny compared to an actual bust of worth. Here in the US they're seizing tens of millions of dollars in [U]single shipments.[/U][/QUOTE]
Lemonade is crazy expensive in the US
ITT people who watched Breaking Bad and sold weed to their friends thinking they are drug barons.
OT: It's a shame that all this money could have gone elsewhere to some place more deserving, but it at least makes for a hilarious story. The audacity is baffling
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