Pregnant Women Hit, Pepper-Sprayed By Police, Miscarries - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Thoughtless;33386854]Do they have any discrimination training, like knowing the difference between someone who's fleeing the crowd or attacking the police.[/QUOTE] In a panic-situation and surrounded by many people, it's difficult to discern the difference between who is hostile and passive. However, if they are prone to panicking, they shouldn't be on the streets in that condition -- it's not safe for anyone since they might attack innocents, might get themselves injured, and it sure as hell will hurt the police force's reputation.

[QUOTE=Psychopath12;33386948]In a panic-situation and surrounded by many people, it's difficult to discern the difference between who is hostile and passive. However, if they are prone to panicking, they shouldn't be on the streets in that condition -- it's not safe for anyone since they might attack innocents, might get themselves injured, and it sure as hell will hurt the police force's reputation.[/QUOTE] So what you are saying is that, yes they do need a discrimination trained so they can decipher who is actually the potential threat amongst the crowd. A lady screaming with a scared look on her face or the dude screaming with an angry look an a pipe. The lady is clearly more dangerous yes?

she never really wanted the baby, she's using this as an excuse.

[QUOTE=areyoublack;33387413]she never really wanted the baby, she's using this as an excuse.[/QUOTE] Too bad your parents didn't feel the same way. You disgust me.

The fact that the Guardian picked it up makes me feel a bit more secure in believing this thing happened. I told you guys I would find more sources but did not. Sorry! I'm really really busy. If this story is not true, then we can agree that the fact this story is so believable at first is a sign of how fucked up our view of the police is.

[QUOTE=darkedone02;33382476]if that happen to my future wife carrying my child... I will fucking kill the cop... literately the most bloodiest way possible and bathe in his blood... this is so fucking beyond the line. edit: now the people who voted me dumb are either stupid or retarded. Let see how you guys like it if this child was yours and a corrupted officer forcefully cause a miscarriage...[/QUOTE] what is your future hypothetical wife, chopped liver?

[QUOTE=rundevil;33382483]This is murder, this is ridiculous.[/QUOTE] So you and the other 85 that agreed supports the pro-life movements? [editline]22nd November 2011[/editline] Any info on how far into pregnancy she was? Hitting the protesters wasn't right in the first place, but if it wasn't visible that she was pregnant, I wouldn't be calling this "murder". Of course it does not justify anything. Just an observation before jumping on the hate van.

I don't think the pepper spray would have anything to do with it, however i can see a kick doing damage. I'm going to hold back on making comments because for all we know that could have been just a coincidence. I know this sounds terrible, but miscarriages are pretty common. I'm sure they can investigate the cause of the miscarriage right with an autopsy? This is an accusation that needs strong evidence. If there is any truth to her accusation then some shit is going to go down.

I hope those cops lose their jobs and go to jail. They murdered an unborn child. This occupy shit has been out of hand for a while and this just prove it. Cops don't give a fuck and most of them are using it as an excuse to beat some people up.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;33387779]So you and the other 85 that agreed supports the pro-life movements? [editline]22nd November 2011[/editline] Any info on how far into pregnancy she was? Hitting the protesters wasn't right in the first place, but if it wasn't visible that she was pregnant, I wouldn't be calling this "murder". Of course it does not justify anything. Just an observation before jumping on the hate van.[/QUOTE] I believe somewhere it says she was like 3 months along or something. But I think he means it murder, not because he is pro-life, but because she didn't consent to it. It's like a forced abortion, which I would agree is murder. Or at least manslaughter. I support abortion, cause it's a right women should have, as well as stem cell research and all of that, but no women should have her baby basically killed inside her. When she actually wanted to have it.

So are they going to make a special ruling for like, involuntary abortion / forced miscarriage or something? This isn't murder.

Everytime I hear about that sort of shit from the US police, I draw a new line of stuff they WOULD NEVER do. And they keep crossing it. What's next, cavity searching random people with their cocks and then moving on to children? Seriously, at this rate I have no Idea what will be next.

You know, there's always the "bad egg" cops, but how come the good cops never do anything? (and i'm not saying every cop is bad with this, in no way) I mean, you'd think that they would try to.

[QUOTE=BldrGyMnGy;33387956]So are they going to make a special ruling for like, involuntary abortion / forced miscarriage or something? This isn't murder.[/QUOTE] No. They will probably classify it as man-slaughter. By the way love your GOLF WANG Title of whatever.

Her family should sue the police department

This has gone too far, they should stop protesting.

[QUOTE=Nitoliskus;33388060]No. They will probably classify it as man-slaughter. By the way love your GOLF WANG Title of whatever.[/QUOTE] I don't think they can, they'd have to take a side with pro-life / pro-choice, and no one has the balls to do that. [editline]22nd November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=B!N4RY;33388061]Her family should sue the police department[/QUOTE] Sueing the whole department is a bad idea, maybe just that officer..

[QUOTE=Nitoliskus;33387918]I believe somewhere it says she was like 3 months along or something. But I think he means it murder, not because he is pro-life, but because she didn't consent to it. It's like a forced abortion, which I would agree is murder. Or at least manslaughter. I support abortion, cause it's a right women should have, as well as stem cell research and all of that, but no women should have her baby basically killed inside her. When she actually wanted to have it.[/QUOTE] I see. I'd only go as far to say that the police officer unknowingly caused the death of an unborn baby. So one notch below manslaughter if you're going with the Swedish definition. We got a thing called "vållande till annans död" ("cause to someone else's death"), which I think suits quite well.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;33388109]I see. I'd only go as far to say that the police officer unknowingly caused the death of an unborn baby. So one notch below manslaughter if you're going with the Swedish definition. We got a thing called "vållande till annans död" ("cause to someone else's death"), which I think suits quite well.[/QUOTE] Well, he could get charged because it was an inappropriate display of authority. Damn, you Europians and your better laws! [editline]22nd November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=BldrGyMnGy;33388102]I don't think they can, they'd have to take a side with pro-life / pro-choice, and no one has the balls to do that. [editline]22nd November 2011[/editline] You'd be surprised how many people that aren't pro-life that will be pissed when they see this. So I believe that they don't truthfully have to side with pro-life. Sueing the whole department is a bad idea, maybe just that officer..[/QUOTE]

This is completely unacceptable and unjustified Nice fucking police state the US has going on

[QUOTE=BldrGyMnGy;33388003]You know, there's always the "bad egg" cops, but how come the good cops never do anything? (and i'm not saying every cop is bad with this, in no way) I mean, you'd think that they would try to.[/QUOTE] It's absolutely true that most cops just want to do their job, help their community and all that jazz. The trouble is, police are so close-knit and "brotherly" that "snitches get stitches" is just as ingrained if not more so in police culture than in criminal culture. Bad cops don't get in trouble because even good cops fear reprisal from fellow officers who view any sort of interaction with internal affairs as traitorous. It's called the blue code of silence, and it's something rather unique to the United States.

[QUOTE=Nightstyle;33388097]This has gone too far, they should stop protesting.[/QUOTE] If anything they should protest more.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;33382697]The part about her not being left to leave should also be investigated. If this is true the officers should be charged with involuntary manslaughter or something similar.[/QUOTE] Or maybe the officers didn't hear her over the screams and chatter of the other hundred/s of people who were around her, unless she was clearly pregnant and had the belly bulge.

[QUOTE=JustExtreme;33388185]This is completely unacceptable and unjustified Nice fucking police state the US has going on[/QUOTE] Don't swing the term police state around, especially when we're not one.

[quote]Her name was going to be Miracle.[/quote] I'm sorry, but WHAT.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;33388109]I see. I'd only go as far to say that the police officer unknowingly caused the death of an unborn baby.[/QUOTE] agreed. everybody in this thread saying that the cops "murdered" the unborn child needs to rephrase, since murder implies it was premeditated, which it certainly wasn't.

[QUOTE=Autumn;33388355]agreed. everybody in this thread saying that the cops "murdered" the unborn child needs to rephrase, since murder implies it was premeditated, which it certainly wasn't.[/QUOTE] That's why we've sort of changed it to man-slaughter because it wasn't intentional. It's a tragedy and requires punishment. What do we think is a proper punishment for this?

[QUOTE=Nitoliskus;33388426]That's why we've sort of changed it to man-slaughter because it wasn't intentional. It's a tragedy and requires punishment. What do we think is a proper punishment for this?[/QUOTE] personally, i think it's a terrible thing to have happened, but until we know the complete circumstances and truth around it i don't think anyone can suggest a reasonable punishment if it turns out that she was obviously pregnant and the cops deliberately kicked her in the stomach, then that is incredibly bad and they should be severely punished, but i seriously doubt that is the case according to [url=http://www.abc.net.au/health/library/img/3months.gif]this image[/url] 3 months doesn't give you that much of a noticeable bump, and when dealing with a group of protesters i doubt they would have noticed a slight bump of hers kicking protesters in the stomach is always a bad call (in my opinion) but how do we know for definite that's what happened? there's physical evidence of the pepper spray, but (whilst i am no doctor) i doubt that would have cause a miscarriage and even with *all* of this taken into account, like i said before, murder implies it was premeditated. these cops did not plan to hurt this baby, let alone kill it. in fact, i doubt they even knew of it's existence. she's lost her child and that is a terrible thing to have happened, but until everything that happened is known for sure i don't think it's right to throw out harsh accusations to these police officers. manslaughter seems more fitting, but even so i still want to see solid proof.

It is certainly a legal problem, as I said in the OP. I also said that it does not matter what crime this action falls into, it's still a terrible thing to have happened. I believe that after 3 months (which is the cut-off date from "lifeless fetus" to "unborn baby"), any killing of the fetus counts as murder, though I am not entirely sure. I heard it only counts as murder if the fetus breathes for a moment outside of the mother, and then dies?

that sounds like BS to me what if the mother accidentally falls down the stairs and miscarries as a result. according to what you've just said she's now a murderer. which is definitely not right. [editline]22nd November 2011[/editline] and i'm not talking morally right, i just mean using your common sense