Pregnant Women Hit, Pepper-Sprayed By Police, Miscarries - Polidicks

That means you are pro-choice.

Let's ask Joe Walsh about this!

Oops.

I'm sure they'll get out of this by saying a fetus (no matter how much it's developed) isn't a human and therefore it's not murder, unless there's one of those big cases where laws are changed as a result.

I'm interested to see if there's any updates on this, because it's starting to sound like this could either be true, or just the woman trying to fake a death for the protests.

[QUOTE=person11;33392873]That means you are pro-choice.[/QUOTE] Sorry I forgot pro-life was spinned now to "ALL ABORTIONS ARE BAD" since around '06.

That has to be such a terribly traumatizing day for them. [IMG]http://sae.tweek.us/static/images/emoticons/emot-saddowns.gif[/IMG] Hope she can recover from that. [QUOTE=darkedone02;33382476]if that happen to my future wife carrying my child... I will fucking kill the cop... literately the most bloodiest way possible and bathe in his blood... this is so fucking beyond the line. edit: now the people who voted me dumb are either stupid or retarded. Let see how you guys like it if this child was yours and a corrupted officer forcefully cause a miscarriage...[/QUOTE] I rated you dumb, why? Because A. You are probably too stupid to even put it in the right hole B. No you wouldn't, you're too much of pussy, stop trying to be cool, it makes you look. AbSoLutEly. Stupid. As. Hell. [B]STOP.[/B] [I]C. I would act according to the situation and be smart about it, and take shit like a [B]real[/B] man.[/I] Unlike you. [QUOTE=Staneh;33392086]Since when can pepperspray even affect unborn children? I don't think it can, also, a pregnant woman shouldn't be at places where the cops are pepper-spraying everyone, she shouldn't have been there.[/QUOTE] [B]Yes it can and it will[/B]. If a pregnant woman has too much stress or pain in one given moment, it'll kill the baby, miscarriage ensues. It happens to many people actually. This is why you must also handcuff a pregnant woman with hands in her front, so she can use them in case she trips. Pepper spray, never experienced it personally, but it does what its mean to do, stop even a very highly violent threat, and it does it very quickly.

I hope this doesn't turn out to be one of those times where the woman is called a liar when she was in fact telling the truth, and gets treated like a worse monster than the cops. I'm still doubtful, but that's one of the saddest things to see happen to someone.

[QUOTE=Fables;33382963]No the media is good at laying on the pressure. The right-wingers heavily believe this movement is a giant amount of druggies, welfare collectors, and liberal (stupid in their ideal head) college students who want handouts.[/QUOTE] Yeah and the non-Fox news outlets are being very anti-OWS imo.

[QUOTE=darkedone02;33382476]if that happen to my future wife carrying my child... I will fucking kill the cop... literately the most bloodiest way possible and bathe in his blood... this is so fucking beyond the line. edit: now the people who voted me dumb are either stupid or retarded. Let see how you guys like it if this child was yours and a corrupted officer forcefully cause a miscarriage...[/QUOTE] Just because something bad happens doesn't mean that somebody has to drown in a pool of their own blood, you morbid freak

[QUOTE=person11;33382518]True, someone will always try to blame the victim. The only people to blame are the cops who perpetrated the crime.[/QUOTE] That someone would probably have been me, having justly applied blame to the victim in the past, but here I will not. [editline]22nd November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Fables;33392584]Because the mother wanted to have the child and was expecting it? Personally I'm pro-life, but I believe the choice to have an abortion is ultimately the mother's.[/QUOTE] This brings up a good point. We can abort a fetus and it not be murder, but if a pregnant woman is kicked and miscarries, it is? Does the child's "human" status depend on whether the mother is looking forward to having a baby or not?

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;33396628]That someone would probably have been me, having justly applied blame to the victim in the past, but here I will not. [editline]22nd November 2011[/editline] This brings up a good point. We can abort a fetus and it not be murder, but if a pregnant woman is kicked and miscarries, it is? Does the child's "human" status depend on whether the mother is looking forward to having a baby or not?[/QUOTE] The fetus was more than 3 months old, the point in which most people agree that the fetus should not be aborted.

As disgusting as it is, what the hell was she doing an occupy protest while pregnant ? This is like that other case of pepper sprayed woman who was also pregnant - you just have to avoid going into such places, even more when all these events are now known for pushing cops to act violent (and no you don't need to watch the news to know that) What happened isn't her fault but maybe she should have thought about not going into a god damn protest while pregnant, that might have prevented her from losing the baby (in the same way avoiding to juggle with a kitchen knife decrease your chances of getting stabbed with a kitchen knife)

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;33396987]As disgusting as it is, what the hell was she doing an occupy protest while pregnant ? This is like that other case of pepper sprayed woman who was also pregnant - you just have to avoid going into such places, even more when all these events are now known for pushing cops to act violent (and no you don't need to watch the news to know that) What happened isn't her fault but maybe she should have thought about not going into a god damn protest while pregnant, that might have prevented her from losing the baby (in the same way avoiding to juggle with a kitchen knife decrease your chances of getting stabbed with a kitchen knife)[/QUOTE] It's a peaceful protest, a pregnant woman should not have to worry about getting beaten or pepper-sprayed while attending.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33397149]It's a peaceful protest, a pregnant woman should not have to worry about getting beaten or pepper-sprayed while attending.[/QUOTE] Well I agree with that but reality is different. History has proven that peaceful protests tend to end up on violence, because it's peaceful doesn't mean it's totally away of any danger. Because there are laws and regulations about driving doesn't mean you can drive happily with your car while trusting everyone else to do the same, even though in theory the regulation should allow everyone to drive in a way that doesn't harm anyone. Hell, this is the same for everything. You have to realize things are more dangerous than others and that sometimes you have to avoid certain events because you are more fragile than the rest of the people going there.

To me, these protests have got out of hand on both sides. While I can reasonably see why the protests are happening, I can't really really say they are going like they should. It's gone from being a fairly reputable protest, to one that is a pissing match between police and protesters. Most of the people now are more concerned with bringing down cops than actually bringing down big-businesses. Where I see the cops point: They are there to protect private property. NOT just big businesses, but ALL property. You must hold off your anger and actually think about why they are reacting violently. History is doomed to repeat itself. Some of the most peaceful protests almost always end up in chaos and violence. You can't get a large group of people together, and protest something without having at least ONE incident. Already things have been stolen, people have been assaulted, women have been groped / sexually assaulted. Not saying ALL protesters are like this, but any time a large group of people get together, trouble is bound up with it. Where I see the protester's point: Big businesses dictate how our economy runs, and couldn't care less about anyone else. You've got people in America who can't afford healthcare, a place to sleep etc. While business owners make over 220% more than their employees. The protests have gotten a lot of international attention, however believe it or not each person is there for their own goals and objectives. That's why there are no REAL established objectives. The reason why the federal government isn't responding is not many of them can really see why they are protesting to begin with. While many of us understand, politicians have a very narrow view of things.

I agree, except that there are common objectives that were assembled into a Declaration of Independence styled document. I am too lazy to find it though. I do remember it having the marks of many different peoples. One of the tenets was against animal cruelty, which has little to do with OWS.

[QUOTE=person11;33396929]The fetus was more than 3 months old, the point in which most people agree that the fetus should not be aborted.[/QUOTE] i don't know about the rest of the world, but in the UK you have up until the 24th week to abort. that's about 5 and a half months.

[QUOTE=Autumn;33399088]i don't know about the rest of the world, but in the UK you have up until the 24th week to abort. that's about 5 and a half months.[/QUOTE] I will have to look it up when I am not a lazy ass. I know that it is hard to look up any laws over here because it is a clusterfuck of states and arbitrary decisions made by judges.

[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;33388227]Or maybe the officers didn't hear her over the screams and chatter of the other hundred/s of people who were around her, unless she was clearly pregnant and had the belly bulge.[/QUOTE] I was giving her the benefit of the doubt this time, normally I side with the cops.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;33382697]The part about her not being left to leave should also be investigated. If this is true the officers should be charged with involuntary manslaughter or something similar.[/QUOTE] It's not exactly involuntary if they purposefully kicked her in the stomach after she shouted "I'm pregnant let me out!".

The punishment fits the crime. Kill one of the Officer's offspring. (:

I've said it before and I will say it again: The police force is filled with rapists and thugs that got wise and found a way to express their barbaric nature legally. The whole reason anyone joins the police force these days is just to beat the shit out of people. Fuck the Police

[QUOTE=person11;33396929]The fetus was more than 3 months old, the point in which most people agree that the fetus should not be aborted.[/QUOTE] Why is abortion even an issue here Unless you want to start arguing about surprise non-consenting abortions, since that's kind of what happened here

[QUOTE=Zeke129;33519051]Why is abortion even an issue here Unless you want to start arguing about surprise non-consenting abortions, since that's kind of what happened here[/QUOTE] I have to mention it because people keep on saying "Hurp durp why are you guys all pro-life now". Which is a really stupid thing to say. So I have to tell them that not only is a forced abortion horrible, but that it might also be a worse crime than that.

[QUOTE=The Decoy;33518783]I've said it before and I will say it again: The police force is filled with rapists and thugs that got wise and found a way to express their barbaric nature legally. The whole reason anyone joins the police force these days is just to beat the shit out of people. Fuck the Police[/QUOTE] Stop watching pornos and bad tv shows would you

Most of the shit that has been done to protesters involves a few cops out of many. Accusing all of them of barbarism will only make things worse.

[QUOTE=person11;33525345]Most of the shit that has been done to protesters involves a few cops out of many. Accusing all of them of barbarism will only make things worse.[/QUOTE] But where is the line drawn? When is the small percentage of so called "isolated incidents" broken down and shown that despite the ease of throwing out terms like "bad eggs" and "inevitable problem", there really is something wrong with a system that allows this to continue happening, even in isolated cases? I'm neither opposed nor agreeing with the police. Their job is difficult that is true, but they should be trained and screened properly so they can deal with it. It won't do to simply sweep incidents like this under the carpet

It does not matter how much they are trained, one or two of them out of hundreds will be cunts. The only solution is the actually punish these cunts somehow, or at least fire them.

In the protests I went to so far, mostly about education systems the cops were doing all they could to ensure a safe procedure, sometimes even siding with us against the very institution paying their loans. Sure there are different examples, the Castor protests f.e. but damn what is wrong in the US? Your "left vs right" and "gov against people" seem to get more extreme by the day.