STALKER 2 Will require Always On Internet, Will Stream required game data via DRM. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;32683529]ToS agreements are almost never considered legally binding because you cannot read them until after the purchase of the product has already been made, and you did not pay Company X for a right to read a contract, but for software. There's also the fact that many of them simply contain unenforceable bullshit. They're there to look pretty, but they mean nothing these days except in extremely rare instances.[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.duanemorris.com/site/static/356_F_3d_393.pdf]Wrong.[/url]

Apparently the guys on /v/ are rumouring that this is just a mistranslation and that Sergei was actually talking about Assassin's Creed 2. Well I sure fucking hope so!

Sending an email to: [email]oleg@gsc-game.com[/email], [email]kuchma@gsc-game.com[/email] [quote=my outbox] Your games are amazing, I have played all of them multiple times. But: [url]http://games.on.net/article/13928/Always-On_DRM_Confirmed_for_S.T.A.L.K.E.R._2[/url] I will not be purchasing any more of your games if you plan on punishing paying consumers. The same type of DRM was on Ubisoft's Assasin's Creed 2. It was cracked in <24 hours: [url]http://torrentfreak.com/ubisofts-uber-drm-cracked-within-a-day-100304/[/url] What's worse, this happened: [url]http://www.geek.com/articles/games/assassins-creed-2-unplayable-as-ubisoft-drm-servers-go-down-2010037/[/url] This kind of DRM will NOT WORK. I own all three STALKER games and have hundreds of hours of play time. (See [url]http://i.imgur.com/9rihT.png[/url] and [url]http://steamcommunity.com/id/kuro11/games?tab=all[/url] ) This kind of "copy-protection" only wastes your time and money. Instead, use that time to make a better game. More people will buy a better game while fewer people will buy a game that focuses on copy-protection. [/quote] I feel that it won't change anything, but at least I tried. If you are a fan of the games you should email them too.

[QUOTE=croguy;32683741]Apparently the guys on /v/ are rumouring that this is just a mistranslation and that Sergei was actually talking about Assassin's Creed 2. Well I sure fucking hope so![/QUOTE] I really, really, [B][U]REALLY[/U][/B] hope so. GSC doesn't seem like the kind of company to so something as stupid as this

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;32683160]Chances are it is going to send like 1~2kb/s so in an hour you'll send 360kb if you play 40hrs you will onl have sent 14.4MB[/QUOTE] My computer is so horrendous at streaming that it failed to stream WoW, Livestream, and OnLive. Can you imagine if I tried to play a game like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2? Oh god. [editline][/editline] Ironically, a shitty DRM prevented me from playing Call of Pripyat. I purchased it legally, and it won't open at all. What the fuck?

Also how about in like 10 years ? If the game is really good like Stalker was, people surely will want to play it again a lot of time like Deus Ex, Doom and others, but they won't be able to because the servers will very probably be down by then.

Ahh come the fuck on. I'm a diehard STALKER fan. I really hope enough people bitch to get this changed.

[QUOTE=icemaz;32678836]When was the last time you didn't have internet connection?[/QUOTE] A week ago for 2 days when Comcast fucked up. [editline]8th October 2011[/editline] Which happens a lot.

Sorry if I'm late, but was a little lost in translation or is he saying piracy is good here, and they encourage it? [QUOTE]If people can not afford a licensed version, it is to our advantage if they download a pirated copy, and then want to buy a license. In Ukraine, there are different products that people love so much that they buy a license in principle. We want to create just such a product.[/QUOTE]

STALKER games are awesome, but this is the biggest dick move in DRM history. This will hurt actual customers, not just pirates. It doesn't matter if I own all 3 previous games and don't even know what a .torrent file is, if my internet connection goes down for a day I can't play because it's apparently better to shit on your customers than have people who probably don't want to buy it anyway pirate it.

"Stalkers: I understand you are all concered about this DRM "news" that was published. I will confirm its legitimacy next week. As far as I know this is just hearsay." From the Official Stalker Facebook [url]http://www.facebook.com/officialstalker[/url]

If anything at all, piracy helped create the large fanbase around Stalker It made me buy it legitimately in Steam

[QUOTE=doommarine23;32684336]"Stalkers: I understand you are all concered about this DRM "news" that was published. I will confirm its legitimacy next week. As far as I know this is just hearsay." From the Official Stalker Facebook [url]http://www.facebook.com/officialstalker[/url][/QUOTE] Time to break out the celebratory theme: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYpSg4n6lGo[/media]

the source in the OP never heard of it, who actually believed it? if it was IGN or the official dev blog or something maybe but I've never heard of the source until now.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;32684581]the source in the OP never heard of it, who actually believed it? if it was IGN or the official dev blog or something maybe but I've never heard of the source until now.[/QUOTE] Regarding IGN: They'd never dare, they're actually criticizing the series for not being like CoD. Regarding the GSC website: they're in total media silence except when it comes to interviews.

[QUOTE=croguy;32684641]Regarding IGN: They'd never dare, they're actually criticizing the series for not being like CoD. Regarding the GSC website: they're in total media silence except when it comes to interviews.[/QUOTE] still, I'm not ever going to take a random source like in the OP as a factual source, they're probably just writing bullshit to increase views and hence ad revenue

[QUOTE=Protocol7;32684678]still, I'm not ever going to take a random source like in the OP as a factual source, they're probably just writing bullshit to increase views and hence ad revenue[/QUOTE] Either way it was taken from a Russian interview that was apparently google translated. Actually I'm pretty sure that Sergei has a fetish for spoilers, in a 30 minute long video interview he pretty much spoiled some of the most important features of the game.

[quote]Software piracy is an issue for us, we try to fight it, but within reason.[/quote] I don't think this is very reasonable, to be honest.

[QUOTE=A big fat ass;32684828]I don't think this is very reasonable, to be honest.[/QUOTE] Thang god it's all just a hearsay after all.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;32681619]Learn to read. It's not streaming textures, maps, 3d models, or anything. You could probably run it on a dial up modem.[/QUOTE] Wow I'd sure love to see your magical internet that not only never goes down but is available on your laptop no matter where in the world you are! [editline]8th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=doommarine23;32684336]"Stalkers: I understand you are all concered about this DRM "news" that was published. I will confirm its legitimacy next week. As far as I know this is just hearsay." From the Official Stalker Facebook [url]http://www.facebook.com/officialstalker[/url][/QUOTE] If it was completely untrue he would have just outright denied it now. There's something to this still.

Great. This is just perfect.

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;32683585]You actually can read them online or request a copy from any company that sells a product requiring the use of a DRM.[/QUOTE] The law doesn't assume everyone has an omnipresent internet connection, nor does it assume you should have to mail a company a question to find out what little tricks are hidden inside the box you're looking at on a Best Buy shelf. [QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;32683600][url=http://www.duanemorris.com/site/static/356_F_3d_393.pdf]Wrong.[/url][/QUOTE] Actually, no, you cited something related but wrong. That's a case about shifty business tactics and talks about upholding contracts in non-ToS contexts, though it does contain a chunk of a relevant case regarding my point. [QUOTE]The dispute was whether users of Netscape's software, who downloaded it from Netscape's web site, were bound by an agreement to arbitrate disputes with Netscape, where Netscape had posted the terms of its offer of the software (including the obligation to arbitrate disputes) on the web site from which they downloaded the software. We ruled against Netscape and in favor of the users of its software because the [B]users would not have seen the terms Netscape exacted without scrolling down their computer screens, and there was no reason for them to do so.[/B][/QUOTE] User apathy negates that shit. You'll note in Specht proper they discuss "a reasonably prudent" user's expectations- this should indicate to you that if the average Joe thinks a ToS is just gibberish and they have no compelling reason to read it (it's a separate link, they need to open a .pdf containing it, etc.), they have no enforceability. You might also want to look at Vernor v. Autodesk regarding the fact that courts are more willing to look at how a product is purchased and behaves rather than how the company claims it operates, which also makes these little licensing and ToS agreements look a lot less potent.

So let me get this straight, GSC is willing to use DRM that costs them money just for someone to play? Isn't bandwidth like 100MB of information for every cent?

didn't they say the same thing about assassins creed 2 and SH5?

Give me the original article and I'll translate it

What the fuck GSC. What happen to loving your fans? I mean you released a fucking beta of SOC for them. and now you fuck us over by having a idea for a DRM that has proven to be shitty as fuck? I'm not buying it if they have shit like this. I hope they reconsider this because all this does is hurt them.

I've bought every stalker game (SoC twice, actually) and i feel incredibly betrayed.

"Get out of here St-" *ERROR ESTABLISHING NETWORK CONNECTION...* My shitty little router and I are fucked.

Great, way to make sure the pirated version is a better product. Don't need always-on shitty DRM for a cracked version...

[QUOTE=icemaz;32678836]When was the last time you didn't have internet connection?[/QUOTE] Not everyone has a perfect connection, mine goes down every now and then and if i was playing stalker 2 i would keep getting kicked out of a singleplayer game. If your game kicks you out of singleplayer for losing connection, there is somthing very wrong.