• "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead" races up the charts after Margaret Thatcher's death
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[QUOTE=Vasili;40218904]She didn't fuck up though, she brought Britain out of the mess that Labour had caused a decade earlier and shes blamed for privatizing industry's that otherwise was killing the country along with their undemocratic socialist unions who tried to bring the country to its knees. The fact she was reelected 3 times and brought Britain into a economic boom like it has never seen is a testament to her work, and she stood by her princibles unlike other jellied spined MP's I have witnessed in the past. I'm not using socialist as a slur either.[/QUOTE] It will be a cold day in hell before the north realise that it was the unions that caused their demise, not Thatcher..
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;40218841]when america celebrated the death of bin laden, they were approving state assassination. when people celebrate margaret thatcher's death, they are celebrating her death, because she died of natural causes.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure Americans didn't really care how it happened so long as it did
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40218936]I'm pretty sure Americans didn't really care how it happened so long as it did[/QUOTE] ignorance doesn't excuse it.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;40218857][img]http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/images/0502-bin-laden-death-celebration/10045771-1-eng-US/0502-bin-laden-death-celebration_full_600.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] I don't recall hearing about riots breaking out and police officers being injured in that. And there's totally a big difference between an enemy of the state who killed thousands of innocent civilians and a fucking prime minister.
[QUOTE=butt2089;40218926]It will be a cold day in hell before the north realise that it was the unions that caused their demise, not Thatcher..[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.thecommentator.com/article/1497/thatcher_s_achievements_will_long_outlive_the_spite_of_sheffield_s_sons_and_daughters"]And her achievements will outlive the propaganda made against her.[/URL]
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40218936]I'm pretty sure Americans didn't really care how it happened so long as it did[/QUOTE] How does that makes things better? Don't you see how fucking creepy it is to celebrate killings. Especially unlawful ones carried out by the state.
[QUOTE=butt2089;40218926]It will be a cold day in hell before the north realise that it was the unions that caused their demise, not Thatcher..[/QUOTE] no thatcher is evil grr evil thatcher nasty nasty SCHOOL MILK! ALSO UNIONS! i don't know what a union is but THATSHIT SHUT THEM DOWN GRR
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;40218944]And there's totally a big difference[/QUOTE] Yes you're right. One was assassinated - and the other of old age.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;40218944]I don't recall hearing about riots breaking out and police officers being injured in that. [/QUOTE] We party hard m8
[QUOTE=Scot;40218964]We party hard m8[/QUOTE] i've always imagined the inevitable evolution of the brit to be the Ork from Warhammer 40k, spacefaring ginormous pub crawlers/football hooligans who do nothing but club the shit out of everything and anything that moves (including their own)
[QUOTE=Vasili;40218949][URL="http://www.thecommentator.com/article/1497/thatcher_s_achievements_will_long_outlive_the_spite_of_sheffield_s_sons_and_daughters"]And her achievements will outlive the propaganda made against her.[/URL][/QUOTE] [I]"The Commentator is today, and every day, dedicated to the legacy of Lady Thatcher"[/I] They actually say that. [I]"The West has a hell of a fight on its hands. Not just from the outside, but from the inside too. Our economics are in the tank after being leeched upon and abused by socialists and corporatists alike. Budgets are bloated, taxes are too high, existential threats to our interests at home and abroad have rarely ever been more concerning. We seek to shed light on these core 'civilisational' issues. We argue that now is not the time for high taxes, it's not the time to bow before tyrants, dictators or terrorists, and it's not the time to abandon our only true ally in the Middle East: Israel."[/I] What a dreadful website.
[QUOTE=Vasili;40218904]She didn't fuck up though, she brought Britain out of the mess that Labour had caused a decade earlier and shes blamed for privatizing industry's that otherwise was killing the country along with their undemocratic socialist unions who tried to bring the country to its knees. The fact she was reelected 3 times and brought Britain into a economic boom like it has never seen is a testament to her work, and she stood by her princibles unlike other jellied spined MP's I have witnessed in the past. I'm not using socialist as a slur either.[/QUOTE] stop digging so deep and look at the situation from the point of view of a coal miner, his family and his children. Entire towns and communities depended on the industry, and then suddenly you and everyone you know is losing their job, and they can barely feed their family as it is. Im pretty sure youd be pissed off wether it was the right thing to do or not.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;40218857][img]http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/images/0502-bin-laden-death-celebration/10045771-1-eng-US/0502-bin-laden-death-celebration_full_600.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] I remember seeing the news reports on those celebrations. I thought they were kinda gross.
[QUOTE=Hip Priest;40219046]I remember seeing the news reports on those celebrations. I thought they were kinda gross.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/05/death_osama_bin_laden[/url] [quote]Writing in Salon, David Sirota captures the essence of much of the criticism, saying: "we have begun vaguely mimicking those we say we despise, sometimes celebrating bloodshed against those we see as Bad Guys just as vigorously as our enemies celebrate bloodshed against innocent Americans they (wrongly) deem as Bad Guys."[/quote]
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40218755]I bet America won't act like this when Bush Jr. dies.[/QUOTE] i will when cheney does
[QUOTE=Harry3;40219020]stop digging so deep and look at the situation from the point of view of a coal miner, his family and his children. Entire towns and communities depended on the industry, and then suddenly you and everyone you know is losing their job, and they can barely feed their family as it is. Im pretty sure youd be pissed off wether it was the right thing to do or not.[/QUOTE] Except those industries were subsidized and running at a loss. What the hell else could have been done?
[QUOTE=Harry3;40219020]stop digging so deep and look at the situation from the point of view of a coal miner, his family and his children. Entire towns and communities depended on the industry, and then suddenly you and everyone you know is losing their job, and they can barely feed their family as it is. Im pretty sure youd be pissed off wether it was the right thing to do or not.[/QUOTE] Yeah lets keep a failing industry that was costing tax payers millions per day to run a ineffective slow national coal mine because of the few. Those who lost their jobs got new jobs, new industry's and production took their place. When those coal mines were closed we noticed something very obvious; [URL="https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/historical-coal-data-coal-production-availability-and-consumption-1853-to-2011"]Coal output (deep mined in UK) 1983 - 102m tonnes from 170 deep mines; 148,000 employed. (NCB figures) 1986- 90m tonnes from 110 deep mines; 91,000 employed.[/URL] Shows how marginal many of the mines were and how farcically over-manned the industry was per ton of output. Result: Very expensive coal. A nationalised electricity industry forced to use this, therefore very expensive electricity. And therefore very expensive steel and hence insupportable cost base for steel products, with inefficiencies factored in at each stage via intransigent Communist-led Unions. A triumph of the Socialist 'planned economy'. And for some reason people suggest we should of kept these dead industry's with union control running because of a few, Labour was planning to do the exact same as the Tories were and they had even tried to put money into these coal mines before realizing they were doing more harm than good.
[QUOTE=Harry3;40219020]stop digging so deep and look at the situation from the point of view of a coal miner, his family and his children. Entire towns and communities depended on the industry, and then suddenly you and everyone you know is losing their job, and they can barely feed their family as it is. Im pretty sure youd be pissed off wether it was the right thing to do or not.[/QUOTE] No one's blaming them for being pissed off, it's just that being pissed off with Thatcher is stupid considering it was the Unions that screwed them over.
[video=youtube;T17VzztS60M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T17VzztS60M&feature=youtu.be[/video] insert thatcher
[QUOTE=Vasili;40219118]Yeah lets keep a failing industry that was costing tax payers millions per day to run a ineffective slow national coal mine because of the few. Those who lost their jobs got new jobs, new industry's and production took their place. When those coal mines were closed we noticed something very obvious; [URL="https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/historical-coal-data-coal-production-availability-and-consumption-1853-to-2011"]Coal output (deep mined in UK) 1983 - 102m tonnes from 170 deep mines; 148,000 employed. (NCB figures) 1986- 90m tonnes from 110 deep mines; 91,000 employed.[/URL] Shows how marginal many of the mines were and how farcically over-manned the industry was per ton of output. Result: Very expensive coal. A nationalised electricity industry forced to use this, therefore very expensive electricity. And therefore very expensive steel and hence insupportable cost base for steel products, with inefficiencies factored in at each stage via intransigent Communist-led Unions. A triumph of the Socialist 'planned economy'. And for some reason people suggest we should of kept these dead industry's with union control running because of a few, Labour was planning to do the exact same as the Tories were and they had even tried to put money into these coal mines before realizing they were doing more harm than good.[/QUOTE] you didnt get the part where I said "look at the situation from the point of view of a coal miner". Like they even knew the economics behind why it was happening. All they knew was that was their and their towns jobs gone and with no alternative job in sight. Just trying to make people realise why some parts of the country are celebrating her death. Im not arguing if shutting down the industries was a good or bad thing.
[QUOTE=Harry3;40219174]you didnt get the part where I said "look at the situation from the point of view of a coal miner". Like they even knew the economics behind why it was happening. All they knew was that was their and their towns jobs gone and with no alternative job in sight. Just trying to make people realise why some parts of the country are celebrating her death. Im not arguing if shutting down the industries was a good or bad thing.[/QUOTE] Celebrating her death is the result of the economically naive and the short sighted; "I lost my job", so what? How does that make it any more justifiable other than holding a grudge? I'm fully aware of certain people in the north hate for her as my family are Liverpudlians, but that doesn't make their hatred any more valid when faced with facts and the inevitable.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;40218832]Britain: no better at celebrating people's deaths than Iraq or Iran.[/QUOTE] You make it sound like the country automatically enters raucous party mode every time a politician dies.
[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;40219252]You make it sound like the country automatically enters raucous party mode every time a politician dies.[/QUOTE] Even if it's for one politician, it's stupid. And it just shows that there's the possibility of it happening again in the future.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40219270]Even if it's for one politician, it's stupid. And it just shows that there's the possibility of it happening again in the future.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't say so, there's no basis for such a hatred repeating itself. Even against David Cameron.
[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;40219286]I wouldn't say so, there's no basis for such a hatred repeating itself. Even against David Cameron.[/QUOTE] What about whomever comes after Cameron? Or the person after that?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40219382]What about whomever comes after Cameron? Or the person after that?[/QUOTE] I seriously doubt they'd be as vilified as Thatcher. It would take something special to achieve that level of hate.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40218789]Bin Laden lead to the deaths of several thousand Americans, we get criticized for celebrating. Thatcher was your own Prime Minister and it's okay.[/QUOTE] Except nobody's saying the street parties over her death are ok? Saying your view on the matter in a cold and morbid way and celebrating in the street are very different things Either way celebrating someone's death in such a way is a shitty thing to do
[QUOTE=Lua Laputa;40219890]Except nobody's saying the street parties over her death are ok? [/QUOTE] There's been many posts that have implied being okay with such parties.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40219970]There's been many posts that have implied being okay with such parties.[/QUOTE] [I]Implied[/I], yes, maybe ironically, but clearly a minority
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40219970]There's been many posts that have implied being okay with such parties.[/QUOTE] I imagine there were quite a few posts saying the parties and celebrations over Bin Laden were okay, as well. The few morons who think it neccesary to throw a party [B]because someone died[/B] are being vilified just as much by the sane population of the UK just as much as the American partygoers.
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