Man in Sweden wears T-shirt with the text "ISLAM IS THE DEVIL". Police confiscate T-shirt, man inves - Polidicks

[QUOTE=elitehakor;46548616]good on the police[/QUOTE] Nah m8, it's political correctness gone mad hon hon hon

It's absolutely amazing that there are people brainwashed enough to think: "sending people to jail because they said/displayed something that offended somebody else is OK" It just comes off as political edginess. You can't possibly think that as a sane person, but I'm sure it makes you feel contrary and unique when you're a young college-age adult trying to establish your social independence.

swedistan does it again ! !

[QUOTE=.Lain;46548607]no wonder its always the same people who jump to defend hate speech on facepunch[/QUOTE] I don't support wearing a t-shirt like that (just like I don't support wearing burqas) but I don't think it's right to confiscate it and arrest the guy for it.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;46548568]What? That makes no sense.[/QUOTE] The shirt makes no sense.

[QUOTE=_Axel;46548614]Is anyone here really defending hate speech? This is hyperbole.[/QUOTE] you seem to be pretty OK with hate speech existing. You even compared it to a women dressing sexy. can I burn the french flag and talk about how the french revolution should have killed everyone off there? Or at least wear a shirt saying that "France is shit". is it ok to wear a shirt that says "I hate niggers" in the middle of buffalo? doing these things are a very good way for people to get the shit kicked out of them. There is a difference between being a dick and just senselessly shitting on people. I wouldn't call the cops on anything like that, but I'd want them off my property if they had a shirt like that for sure. [sp]I'm not literally saying any of this is true or that I agree with it at all, but it's an example that works[/sp] [QUOTE=Hellsten;46548640]I don't support wearing a t-shirt like that (just like I don't support wearing burqas) but I don't think it's right to confiscate it and arrest the guy for it.[/QUOTE] burqas don't decry a group of people though? that doesn't even make any sense.

[QUOTE=Mooe94;46548372]Hate speech isn't just opinions, it's hate speech. sure, this tshirt might not be the worst example of hate speech in action, but where do you draw the line exactly? I don't find this t-shirt to be acceptable in the slightest, and also the person persecuted will probably only get a fine. Whatever.[/QUOTE] "Hate speech [...] is hate speech." If you want to differentiate it from "just opinions", then define it.

Look, I'm not a big fan of hate speech, and I'm usually in favor of reasonable measures to curtail it. But a t-shirt is setting the bar pretty low. It's not exactly burning a cross on somebody's lawn.

[QUOTE=Hellsten;46548640]I don't support wearing a t-shirt like that (just like I don't support wearing burqas) but I don't think it's right to confiscate it and arrest the guy for it.[/QUOTE] there it is. why don't you support people wearing burqas? it's entirely their choice in any first world country that's a bunk comparison because wearing a burqa isn't negatively affecting anyone else. this shirt is inciting blatant hatred and offense

[QUOTE=J!NX;46548646]you seem to be pretty OK with hate speech existing. You even compared it to a women dressing sexy. can I burn the french flag and talk about how the french revolution should have killed everyone off there? Or at least wear a shirt saying that "France is shit". is it ok to wear a shirt that says "I hate niggers" in the middle of buffalo? doing these things are a very good way for people to get the shit kicked out of them. [sp]I'm not literally saying any of this is true or that I agree with it at all, but it's an example that works[/sp][/QUOTE] Both of these things are far worse (I still don't think anyone should be arrested for them) because there is a historical touchiness involved. In case 1, the french revolution happened, and is of course a sensitive subject then going forward. In case 2, black people were referred to as niggers when they were bottom-class slaves in America. There was no event which makes 'Islam is the devil' specially offensive. It's a standard insult - it's the same as going "Democracy is for buttfaces!", except it's a religion. If you want to arrest people who insult a religion, you have to also be fair and arrest anyone who insults anything, because otherwise you are making a state-sponsored statement that Islam (or religion in general) is more important than anything else.

[QUOTE=FLIPPY;46548254]Fuck that, Islam is a barbaric hate filled religion.[/QUOTE] And there we go. Thank you for being the idiot to just say it Flippy.

[QUOTE=J!NX;46548646]you seem to be pretty OK with hate speech existing. You even compared it to a women dressing sexy. can I burn the french flag and talk about how the french revolution should have killed everyone off there? Or at least wear a shirt saying that "France is shit". is it ok to wear a shirt that says "I hate niggers" in the middle of buffalo? doing these things are a very good way for people to get the shit kicked out of them. [sp]I'm not literally saying any of this is true or that I agree with it at all, but it's an example that works[/sp][/QUOTE] I'm not OK with hate speech existing. I simply don't believe authorities should be allowed to punish people on that ground. There are plenty of occurrences of posters here cracking jokes about the French being cowards or Americans being obese and I don't see you up in arms about it. That doesn't mean I should assume you're OK with those depictions.

how do you not realise that some topics have different social connotations in modern society? obviously religion defamation/hatred is something that people are more offended by than defaming a political status. the legal system and hate speech system is not an entirely objective one because it can't be today. i would almost guarantee that in a non biased court room, saying 'christianity is the devil' would land you with the same punishment [editline]22nd November 2014[/editline] damn it's a bad sign when somebody makes an alt just to argue xenophobia in sensationalist headlines

[QUOTE=hrak;46548665]Both of these things are far worse (I still don't think anyone should be arrested for them) because there is a historical touchiness involved. In case 1, the french revolution happened, and is of course a sensitive subject then going forward. In case 2, black people were referred to as niggers when they were bottom-class slaves in America. There was no event which makes 'Islam is the devil' specially offensive. It's a standard insult - it's the same as going "Democracy is for buttfaces!", except it's a religion. If you want to arrest people who insult a religion, you have to also be fair and arrest anyone who insults anything, because otherwise you are making a state-sponsored statement that Islam (or religion in general) is more important than anything else.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=_Axel;46548678]I'm not OK with hate speech existing. I simply don't believe authorities should be allowed to punish people on that ground. There are plenty of occurrences of posters here cracking jokes about the French being cowards or Americans being obese and I don't see you up in arms about it. That doesn't mean I should assume you're OK with those depictions.[/QUOTE] well yeah I mean, we need to filter that crap out but he shouldn't have been arrested if he was protesting with hate speech or trying to "Make a point" by being a dick whilst also wearing a shirt then totally he should be arrested of course, if he's annoying people to the point of almost getting beat up then he should be arrested for his protection.

[QUOTE=.Lain;46548679]damn it's a bad sign when somebody makes an alt just to argue xenophobia in sensationalist headlines[/QUOTE] Stop trying to garner sympathy through ad-hominem. If you're confident in your argument you shouldn't rely on oversimplification to prove your point.

that wasn't related to my argument, i just thought it was funny.

[QUOTE=.Lain;46548679]how do you not realise that some topics have different social connotations in modern society?[/QUOTE] Can you weigh them? If the answer is no, then you cannot act on them either. Does it not occur to you that it's socially dangerous to establish topics which, by no measure more significant than majority of participation/support, are legally unable to be ridiculed?

what do u want me to do? spend an hour writing some pseudo intellectual ironman17 grade post? [editline]22nd November 2014[/editline] pretty sure there's a difference between criticizing something and saying it's the devil without any prior context :) this is a shirt designed to do nothing but provoke people in a very sensitive topic in an area where it is becoming an increasingly hot topic. if i had a shirt that said 'i do not agree with some of islam's practices and hope that these may change' nobody would give a flying fuck

[QUOTE=.Lain;46548713]what do u want me to do? spend an hour writing some pseudo intellectual ironman17 grade post?[/QUOTE] If you can't respond then don't? I dunno, I'm not holding a gun to your head and making you post. [QUOTE=.Lain;46548713]pretty sure there's a difference between criticizing something and saying it's the devil without any prior context :)[/QUOTE] I didn't say 'criticize', I said 'ridicule'. rid·i·cule ˈridiˌkyo͞ol/Submit noun 1. the subjection of someone or something to contemptuous and dismissive language or behavior. "he is held up as an object of ridicule" synonyms: mockery, derision, laughter, scorn, scoffing, contempt, jeering, sneering, sneers, jibes, jibing, teasing, taunts, taunting, badinage, chaffing, sarcasm, satire; More

[QUOTE=absolalone111;46548145]There seems to be a bit of double standerds here, if some guy was walking around wearing a shirt that said "Judaism is the devil" you guys would be alright with him being prosecuted for wearing an anti-semitic shirt, but if it's Islam, it's somehow fine?[/QUOTE] Ah the old, Facepunch is a hivemind thing, nah mate I'd be fine with it, the guy would still be a cunt though.

ridicule in an aim to provoke hatred (ex. to be discriminatory) is great!

[QUOTE=J!NX;46548697]well yeah I mean, we need to filter that crap out but he shouldn't have been arrested if he was protesting with hate speech or trying to "Make a point" by being a dick whilst also wearing a shirt then totally he should be arrested of course, if he's annoying people to the point of almost getting beat up then he should be arrested for his protection.[/QUOTE] I'm all for discouraging such point of view, but if you want this to be efficient then you shouldn't rely on the legal system to do so. Yes, if he caused disruption on a public place he should probably be arrested, but not because of what he's preaching.

[QUOTE=.Lain;46548594]you know, in a country where saying things like this is pretty charged i'd expect you to realise there's more to it than dictionary definitions if you came to northern ireland and and presented a flag saying 'Catholicism is the devil' or 'protestantism is the devil' you would almost certainly be tagged under hate speech laws for good reason[/QUOTE] so in other words hate speech is an undefined term which can mean and be anything? just because people feel offended = hate speech

[QUOTE=.Lain;46548736]ridicule in an aim to provoke hatred (ex. to be discriminatory) is great![/QUOTE] What does this have to do with what I said? Your stance on how badly insults hurt people's feelings is irrelevant to my argument.

Are the Swedes really that scared of Muslims causing an uproar over a shirt? I'm [B]sure[/B] they wouldn't do anything! They're always peaceful!

Perpetrating anti-Islamic stereotypes doesn't exactly help further the debate healthily...

I wonder if the police would have apprehended a muslim wearing a t-shirt saying "Kill homosexuals and non-believers" Apparently being a minority means you can hate speak as much as you want. Also is "Islam is the devil" even hate speech? Isn't hate speech when you incite violence towards a specific group?

[QUOTE=_Axel;46548842]Perpetrating anti-Islamic stereotypes doesn't exactly help further the debate healthily...[/QUOTE] "Islam is violent" is a literal fact of the religion, I mean it's in the religious texts.

You know this makes me think of that t-shirt the leftist party woman wore, "SD = Racists". She got reported for hate speech too, but the case died since SD isn't an ethnicity. So hopefully this case doesn't go any further either since practitioners of Islam aren't an ethnicity. [t]http://i.imgur.com/oPTQqr7.jpg[/t] I think Swedes in general just get offended very easily.

I dunno about you guys, but I think you should be able to say words and shit without the government arresting you heheheehe.