Man in Sweden wears T-shirt with the text "ISLAM IS THE DEVIL". Police confiscate T-shirt, man inves - Polidicks

[QUOTE=jo291;46551778]What constitutes "sensationalistic conspiracy theory crap"? Everything he said was sourced.[/QUOTE] lmao have u ever talked to a muslim in real life there's immigrants from somalia where i live. some of them practice islam and i can assure u they're well-adjusted and normal ppl

[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;46551795]imagine thinking quoting the Quran is a good argument when most muslims haven't even read it, just as most christians have never picked up a Bible outside of sunday mass[/QUOTE] How is that relevant? This ideology as a whole is not peaceful to anyone who opposes it.

[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;46551795]imagine thinking quoting the Quran is a good argument when most muslims haven't even read it, just as most christians have never picked up a Bible outside of sunday mass[/QUOTE] If quoting the very holy book that these people follow is not a valid argument then I don't know what Is.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;46551808]How is that relevant? This ideology as a whole is not peaceful to anyone who opposes it.[/QUOTE] have u ever been scolded by a muslim irl for just existing

[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;46551795]imagine thinking quoting the Quran is a good argument when most muslims haven't even read it, just as most christians have never picked up a Bible outside of sunday mass [editline]oh[/editline] you're reading these texts just like a fundamentalist would[/QUOTE] Just because not many muslims follow islam 100% doesn't make islam peaceful. When muslims are peaceful, it's not because islam is peaceful, it's because they don't follow islam.

[QUOTE=Pnukup;46551858]Just because not many muslims follow islam 100% doesn't make islam peaceful. When muslims are peaceful, it's not because islam is peaceful, it's because they don't follow islam.[/QUOTE] would u say the same thing about christianity if ur gonna pull off this argument then

[QUOTE=jo291;46551603]Most Muslims are actually extremists whether they act on this or not, It just goes hand in hand with the core beliefs of a religion that literally advocates for the slaughter of anyone who disagrees with them and then rewards that slaughter with the promise of heaven.[/QUOTE] I love my religion. Does that make me an extremist?

[QUOTE=jo291;46551810]If quoting the very religion that these people follow is not a valid argument then I don't know what Is.[/QUOTE] the Quran is not Islam just as the Bible is not Christianity. those religions are both a set of symbols, language, ideas and values that were put in words by the authors of those holy texts. muslims can interpret it however they want and that's usually what they do. or are you telling me that judaism and christians are also all degenerates because of the equally vile content of their respective texts? religions are more than just a bunch of words in an old-ass book. taking those texts as something literal, a fixed thing without room for interpretation is the key problem with your mindset. the only other people who think of theology this way are -you guessed it- fundamentalists.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;46551863]would u say the same thing about christianity if ur gonna pull off this argument then[/QUOTE] Yes, absolutely. It's the exact same thing with christianity.

[QUOTE=jo291;46551796]It means that It sucks for Sweden.[/QUOTE] yeah cos all these muslims moving to or maybe even born in and completely naturalized to sweden are totally going to drop their lives to become fundamentalists on par with the worst recesses of the middle east, depose the national government, and establish a european islamic caliphate in the former ruins of sweden, cos they're all in on it like that what does that mean to muslims in a first-world country? what does that mean to muslims born and raised there? what does it mean for the government? this has nothing to do with anyone but paranoid, spiteful kooks like you who like to fantasize that anything to do with islam seriously interfering with the government would happen as anything other than a series of completely unsuccessful nonviolent grassroots political actions [editline]23rd November[/editline] if "it will suck" is the clearest you can define the consequences of allowing muslims to integrate maybe it's a pretty fuckin nebulous statement

[QUOTE=.Lain;46551735]what a source lmao[/QUOTE] Everything he said in the video was sourced and backed up by facts.

[QUOTE=jo291;46551935]Everything he said in the video was sourced and backed up by facts.[/QUOTE] heavily spinned, out of context factoids by a known racist and all around crank with no credibility try again

One of the massive differences between Christianity and Islam is that Christianity is a religion of the individual and the church. It doesn't teach that a good follower of Christianity will necessarily try to have a certain type of government over him. In fact, it teaches Christians to be good citizens in governments that explicitly disagree with Christian beliefs (like ancient Rome, for example). I know of no verse that connects Christianity with attempts to influence government. On the other hand, Islam inherently includes an ideal government type that ought to rule over all Muslims. Sharia seems to be the most recognized and agreed upon government type by Muslims, themselves. ([url]http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/[/url])

[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;46551949]heavily spinned, out of context factoids by a known racist and all around crank with no credibility try again[/QUOTE] If your just going to throw Buzzwords at me then why bother commenting in the first place?

[QUOTE=jo291;46551972]If your just going to throw Buzzwords at me then why bother commenting in the first place?[/QUOTE] you always have to consider the content of your source. if you're just gonna cite a known racist then why bother

[QUOTE=Cone;46551926]yeah cos all these muslims moving to or maybe even born in and completely naturalized to sweden are totally going to drop their lives to become fundamentalists on par with the worst recesses of the middle east, depose the national government, and establish a european islamic caliphate in the former ruins of sweden, cos they're all in on it like that what does that mean to muslims in a first-world country? what does that mean to muslims born and raised there? what does it mean for the government? this has nothing to do with anyone but paranoid, spiteful kooks like you who like to fantasize that anything to do with islam seriously interfering with the government would happen as anything other than a series of completely unsuccessful nonviolent grassroots political actions [editline]23rd November[/editline] if "it will suck" is the clearest you can define the consequences of allowing muslims to integrate maybe it's a pretty fuckin nebulous statement[/QUOTE] You obviously are not even remotely familiar with the rioting and violence taking place within the UK and Sweden, I'm not going to bother with you.

[QUOTE=jo291;46551988]You obviously are not even remotely familiar with the rioting and violence taking place within the UK and Sweden, I'm not going to bother with you.[/QUOTE] How come you're bothering then?

[QUOTE=jo291;46551988]You obviously are not even remotely familiar with the rioting and violence taking place within the UK and Sweden, I'm not going to bother with you.[/QUOTE] if people are rioting then maybe they shouldn't be marginalized?????? that's a good place to start

[QUOTE=jo291;46551988]You obviously are not even remotely familiar with the rioting and violence taking place within the UK and Sweden, I'm not going to bother with you.[/QUOTE] like u are? you live in canada if flag dog is correct [editline]23rd November 2014[/editline] if you count reading tabloids and watching nutjob youtube videos as familiarity with an experience in a country across an entire ocean then you are fuckin weird

[QUOTE=itisjuly;46551998]How come you're bothering then?[/QUOTE] I said that I wasn't going to bother with him In particular. I'm, not sure what your trying to say here.

[QUOTE=jo291;46551988]You obviously are not even remotely familiar with the rioting and violence taking place within the UK and Sweden, I'm not going to bother with you.[/QUOTE] i was wondering when someone would come up with shitty argument lmao there has been violence incited by muslims in those countries, so what? there's also frequent violence courtesy of neo-nazis in sweden, white nationalists like the EDL in the UK, fundamentalist christians bombing abortion clinics in america, the list goes on. why are we singling out muslims as if they're the only ones committing violent acts? again, those people are a minority and likely your only "contact" with muslims. there are 1.6 BILLION muslims in this world, generalizing like you've consistently done is absolutely appalling and intellectually dishonest no matter how much you try to justify it with terrible sources. also great job ignoring other arguments keep it up

[QUOTE=Pnukup;46551777]Sure, here: Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"[/QUOTE] so did you read the whole passage these verses are included in or did you just cherry pick them out of context

[QUOTE=.Lain;46552010]like u are? you live in canada if flag dog is correct [editline]23rd November 2014[/editline] if you count reading tabloids and watching nutjob youtube videos as familiarity with an experience in a country across an entire ocean then you are fuckin weird[/QUOTE] I may not live in the UK but a friend of mine who does describes the atmosphere were he lives like "Being under siege".

[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;46552038]i was wondering when someone would come up with shitty argument lmao there has been violence incited by muslims in those countries, so what? there's also frequent violence courtesy of neo-nazis in sweden, white nationalists like the EDL in the UK, fundamentalist christians bombing abortion clinics in america, the list goes on. why are we singling out muslims as if they're the only ones committing violent acts? again, those people are a minority and likely your only "contact" with muslims. there are 1.6 BILLION muslims in this world, generalizing like you've consistently done is absolutely appalling and intellectually dishonest no matter how much you try to justify it with terrible sources. also great job ignoring other arguments keep it up[/QUOTE] now wait here a second buddy, muslims are the real oppressors here... along with too much pc! the entire world has gone mad.. [QUOTE=jo291;46552062]I may not live in the UK but a friend of mine who does describes the atmosphere were he lives like "Being under siege".[/QUOTE] do u rly think that ur friend's experience is representative of everyone/everywhere

yet another great source

[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;46552038]i was wondering when someone would come up with shitty argument lmao there has been violence incited by muslims in those countries, so what? there's also frequent violence courtesy of neo-nazis in sweden, white nationalists like the EDL in the UK, fundamentalist christians bombing abortion clinics in america, the list goes on. why are we singling out muslims as if they're the only ones committing violent acts? again, those people are a minority and likely your only "contact" with muslims. there are 1.6 BILLION muslims in this world, generalizing like you've consistently done is absolutely appalling and intellectually dishonest no matter how much you try to justify it with terrible sources. also great job ignoring other arguments keep it up[/QUOTE] Why should I bother? You will just dismiss anything I say anyways. Believe what ever you want.

[QUOTE=jo291;46552062]I may not live in the UK but a friend of mine who does describes the atmosphere were he lives like "Being under siege".[/QUOTE] oh, you've got a friend in the UK? shit man that's a pretty indisputable source [QUOTE=jo291;46552075]Why should I bother? You will just dismiss anything I say anyways. Believe what ever you want.[/QUOTE] ^banger of post right there

[QUOTE=Pnukup;46551858]Just because not many muslims follow islam 100% doesn't make islam peaceful. When muslims are peaceful, it's not because islam is peaceful, it's because they don't follow islam.[/QUOTE] The perception of radical evil suicide bomb Islam is a very MODERN development in the grand scheme of religious history, as early as the late 1800s iirc. And what does this argument do besides completely DISMISS every Muslim that is progressive and not crazy? It's gotten to the point where basically everyone on the internet is aware that the literal words in every religious text are somewhat violent, but the people who follow these beliefs interpret them in a MODERN way, because society has progressed as a whole. Also goes without saying that every secular and nonsecular group can be generalized as being awful because of a few minorities.

whoah nelly good thing i'll be spared yet another internet thrashing from the infamous, crushing debating [I]JAWS[/I] of jo291! i really gotta stop getting in these web arguments if it means running the risk of receiving another sick burn like that. god damn!

i mean like if were going off personal anecdotes ive witnessed far more terrorist incidents from dissident republicans. and obviously that doesn't apply to the entirely of the uk. so it's not a source at all