• Turkey Experienced Failed Military Coup
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[QUOTE=darth-veger;50718009][url]https://www.flightradar24.com/THY8456/a5a3952[/url] So the plane is just circling around just in case they need to pick up Erdogan or what?[/QUOTE] Erdogan is on the plane, isn't he? They just have nowhere to land after being denied by Germany and I think Britain.
[QUOTE=AhoyMate;50717988]Someone just fired 5 bullets at the apartment that I live in. And the parliament is being continuesly shelled.[/QUOTE] Find a safe place, dont peek outside and I hope that you're safe.
this is crazy
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;50717970]But Erdogan doesn't support democracy, and after this he'll likely be "President For Life". A Counter-Terrorism expert on the news made the claim that he had arrested 2000 people for the crime of insulting him, suppressed opposition to him, and that he was essentially a dictator becoming more authoritarian by the day. How can you support a man that does not believe in democracy, and call that supporting democracy?[/QUOTE] He doesn't support Erdogan, he supports the Democratic process. He denounced Erdogan in the past and likely wishes for a Democratic way to remove Erdogan from power, not a Military coup. Can't you see that? The most powerful man in the world (in 2016) can't go around supporting these military coups especially in NATO countries. What kind of message would that send to the world? It would also legitimize the coup and irreparably destroy relations with Turkey if the coup were to fail. What if it does fail? Now America would be at extreme odds with the entirety of Turkey.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;50717987]Jesus fuck, the guy at 1:09 was literally doing the tank man photo thing, and got straight up mowed down. What the fuck...[/QUOTE] That dude was stiff as a board, I wonder if that was actually a person or a mannequin...
[QUOTE=srobins;50718017]Erdogan is on the plane, isn't he? They just have nowhere to land after being denied by Germany and I think Britain.[/QUOTE] Oh wow, that puts him in quite the narrow space if he is in there. It takes a jet fighter a few seconds to lock on...
You guys gotta thing with your minds, not your hearts about this.
EDIT: (As of now) explosion at the Parliament hasn't killed anyone. [QUOTE=Gary D;50718041]FOX Turkey reports that members of the parliament have descended down to the bunker in the TGNA, and that there are people injured.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=AhoyMate;50717988]Someone just fired 5 bullets at the apartment that I live in. And the parliament is being continuesly shelled.[/QUOTE] Lütfen merakına yenilip dışarıya falan bakmaya çalışma.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;50718016]I see, as long as you were democratically elected once, you can do whatever the fuck you want and you'll always have support from those who call themselves pro-democracy.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but when the election starts over again he wouldn't be in power (Of course this is highly unlikely considering who we're talking about). But, the western world loves stability through either a democratic system or a authoritarian system. As long as it doesn't bring our world trouble.
[QUOTE=darth-veger;50718026]Oh wow, that puts him in quite the narrow space if he is in there. It takes a jet fighter a few seconds to lock on...[/QUOTE] This is what I don't understand about the situation. I won't pretend I'm religiously following every piece of breaking news because frankly I'm finding it borderline impossible to keep up here, but if he really is on that plane, and if the coup is primarily being conducted by the air force, I really don't understand how that plane is still flying. Can someone smarter than me explain?
the world is falling apart
According to some turkish classmates they say everything is alright in turkey even though you can clearly hear the screams and sirens in the background of the voicemessage I don't even know anymore, nothing seems right.
[QUOTE=SlightReturn;50718031](As of now) explosion at the Parliament hasn't killed or hurt anyone. Lütfen merakına yenilip dışarıya falan bakmaya çalışma.[/QUOTE] FOX Turkey reports that members of the parliament have descended down to the bunker in the TGNA, and that there are people injured.
[QUOTE=srobins;50718034]This is what I don't understand about the situation. I won't pretend I'm religiously following every piece of breaking news because frankly I'm finding it borderline impossible to keep up here, but if he really is on that plane, and if the coup is primarily being conducted by the air force, I really don't understand how that plane is still flying. Can someone smarter than me explain?[/QUOTE] Maybe they don't want to make him a martyr because then that ensures much more violent resistance?
[QUOTE=gameplaya89;50718036]the world is falling apart[/QUOTE] i have a feeling the world had been like this long before we were born, we just now have instant access to watch it unfold live
[QUOTE=srobins;50718034]This is what I don't understand about the situation. I won't pretend I'm religiously following every piece of breaking news because frankly I'm finding it borderline impossible to keep up here, but if he really is on that plane, and if the coup is primarily being conducted by the air force, I really don't understand how that plane is still flying. Can someone smarter than me explain?[/QUOTE] If the Military were to assassinate the President it would be very hard for the new government to attain recognition on the world table.
[QUOTE=srobins;50718034]This is what I don't understand about the situation. I won't pretend I'm religiously following every piece of breaking news because frankly I'm finding it borderline impossible to keep up here, but if he really is on that plane, and if the coup is primarily being conducted by the air force, I really don't understand how that plane is still flying. Can someone smarter than me explain?[/QUOTE] Engaging air-to-air would require a lot of planning and resources. If the plane really has Erdogan on it (which is kind of unlikely), it would be guarded
[QUOTE=srobins;50718034]This is what I don't understand about the situation. I won't pretend I'm religiously following every piece of breaking news because frankly I'm finding it borderline impossible to keep up here, but if he really is on that plane, and if the coup is primarily being conducted by the air force, I really don't understand how that plane is still flying. Can someone smarter than me explain?[/QUOTE] Maybe he has Surface to Air missiles or other ground forces protecting him? It might just be too dangerous to get in range. EDIT: :ninja:'d
and here we go [t]http://up.nlan.org/QqmU.png[/t] no fly zone declared
[QUOTE=srobins;50718034]This is what I don't understand about the situation. I won't pretend I'm religiously following every piece of breaking news because frankly I'm finding it borderline impossible to keep up here, but if he really is on that plane, and if the coup is primarily being conducted by the air force, I really don't understand how that plane is still flying. Can someone smarter than me explain?[/QUOTE] Kind of hard to claim legitimacy if you assassinate those who are against you. I think their plan was to essentially 'exile' Erdogan by seizing the major airports while they knew he was in the air. His only choices now are to either leave the country or land at a minor airport without firm security while a military coup is going on.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;50718032]I'm sorry, but when the election starts over again he wouldn't be in power ([B]Of course this is highly unlikely considering who we're talking about[/B]). But, the western world loves stability through either a democratic system or a authoritarian system. As long as it doesn't bring our world trouble.[/QUOTE] I don't understand, you seem to acknowledge the unlikelihood of him being replaced democratically, yet you oppose the idea of a coup in favor of democracy? Democracy is a golden principal but I don't think it's black and white, if someone is democratically elected and then subverts the democratic process to make it unfair going forward, I think it's entirely justified to "un-democratically" refresh the system. That being said, I honestly know fuck all about Turkish politics so I can't say whether or not this is the case for Erdogan, but at least hypothetically I think a coup could be justified under those circumstances.
[QUOTE=darth-veger;50718009][url]https://www.flightradar24.com/THY8456/a5a3952[/url] So the plane is just circling around just in case they need to pick up Erdogan or what?[/QUOTE] Just broke out of its orbit, headed south now. Looks to be turning though.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50718024]He doesn't support Erdogan, he supports the Democratic process. He denounced Erdogan in the past and likely wishes for a Democratic way to remove Erdogan from power, not a Military coup. Can't you see that? The most powerful man in the world (in 2016) can't go around supporting these military coups especially in NATO countries. What kind of message would that send to the world? It would also legitimize the coup and irreparably destroy relations with Turkey if the coup were to fail. What if it does fail? Now America would be at extreme odds with the entirety of Turkey.[/QUOTE] He's supporting Erdogen's Government, which is not pro-democracy, and after this I doubt Erdogen will relent power. He's been steadily strengthening his power the entire time he's been in office, and weakening his enemy's power to ensure they can't take him down. Turkey funding our enemies and bombing our allies, [B]we should already be at odds with them[/B]. The fact that we turn a blind eye to this shit just because they're "an ally" is horrendous. But it seems if something doesn't have an immediate economic or military benefit, we won't lift a finger. And if it does, we'll turn a blind eye and let you do whatever you damn well please. And we don't give a shit about stability, if we did, we'd throw our support behind Assad and end the war in Syria already, because Assad is the only hope for stability that Syria has. But we don't like Assad, so we haven't done that.
They wouldn't even need to scramble a jet. I'm fairly certain the Turkish military has SAM's that can do the job.
[QUOTE=Gordy H.;50718049]Kind of hard to claim legitimacy if you assassinate those who are against you. I think their plan was to essentially 'exile' Erdogan by seizing the major airports while they knew he was in the air. His only choices now are to either leave the country or land at a minor airport without firm security while a military coup is going on.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50718044]If the Military were to assassinate the President it would be very hard for the new government to attain recognition on the world table.[/QUOTE] The answer is always so much more simple than I expect :rolleyes:, thanks.
[QUOTE=Shalaska;50718051]Just broke out of its orbit, headed south now. Looks to be turning though.[/QUOTE] Seems to be heading Northeast now, as if back to Istanbul?
[QUOTE=Plaster;50718040]According to some turkish classmates they say everything is alright in turkey even though you can clearly hear the screams and sirens in the background of the voicemessage I don't even know anymore, nothing seems right.[/QUOTE] thats exactly whats happening on tv. you can hear the jets flying on top of them yet they still screaming that its over. i cant sleep because im not sure what i will wake up to. kinda surreal. you dont really know what is going on
turkish intelligence still saying the coup is over, i have my doubts
[QUOTE=racerfan;50718060]Seems to be heading Northeast now, as if to Istanbul?[/QUOTE] altitude and speed dropping, it's going to land
-snip, updated and no longer so weird -
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