[QUOTE=Cocacoladude;50720466]Welp, looks right about time for good old U.S. or Russia to hop in.[/QUOTE]
Not enough ethnic russians in turkey, also don't think there would be enough public support for "Operation Oil Freedom" in turkey.
[QUOTE=Cocacoladude;50720466]Welp, looks right about time for good old U.S. or Russia to hop in.[/QUOTE]
To do what, exactly?
[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;50720486]To do what, exactly?[/QUOTE]
Operation Oil Freedom.
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[QUOTE=Durandal;50720492]Operation Oil Freedom.[/QUOTE]
It shouldnt be over that. I think this isn't a time for wars, but time to protect ourselves from people trying to turn us against sides and fight against our will.
[QUOTE=Monkah;50720346]been reading reddit
a lot of the more left-leaning communities there are actually supporting erdogan because of 'democracy' or some shit
what the fuck[/QUOTE]
What is hard to understand? It seems like erdogan was voted in democratically, he obviously has lots of support judging by the people who went to the streets.
Just because you hate the dude shouldn't mean you support a military coup.
I really don't understand the support for the coup in this thread. Why? Someone explain it to me, because I feel like I'm in the dark.
[QUOTE=Ltp0wer;50720507]What is hard to understand? It seems like erdogan was voted in democratically, he obviously has lots of support judging by the people who went to the streets.
Just because you hate the dude shouldn't mean you support a military coup.
I really don't understand the support for the coup in this thread. Why? Someone explain it to me, because I feel like I'm in the dark.[/QUOTE]
Because people don't like religious dictators
[QUOTE=Ltp0wer;50720507]What is hard to understand? It seems like erdogan was voted in democratically, he obviously has lots of support judging by the people who went to the streets.
Just because you hate the dude shouldn't mean you support a military coup.
I really don't understand the support for the coup in this thread. Why? Someone explain it to me, because I feel like I'm in the dark.[/QUOTE]
Turkey has a history of military coups in order to restore pro-Western, secular values. They consider themselves the guardians of Kemalism. Also, Erdogan is becoming increasingly more authoritarian and dictatorial so soon there won't even be a democracy to uphold.
[QUOTE=Megadave;50720438]Are the osmans any part of this or are they pretty much powerless nowadays?[/QUOTE]
The Osmans have been in exile since 1924. They have exactly 0 power over Turkey.
[QUOTE=Cocacoladude;50720466]Welp, looks right about time for good old U.S. or Russia to hop in.[/QUOTE]
I think after operation Iraqi Freedom, the answer to "Should the US intervene with military force against dictators?" is a resounding no. Even supporting rebels or training a country's military hasn't worked out in the US's favor.
[QUOTE=Aztec;50720516]Because people don't like religious dictators[/QUOTE]
Even if he could be considered a dictator, how different is a military coup? Obviously the people, especially considering his opponents are supporting him against the coup, like Erdogan. When his opponents respect the system enough to support him in the face of a military takeover, what does that tell you? That this coup isn't in the populace's best interests.
[QUOTE=agentalexandre;50720517]Turkey has a history of military coups in order to restore pro-Western, secular values. They consider themselves the guardians of Kemalism. Also, Erdogan is becoming increasingly more authoritarian and dictatorial so soon there won't even be a democracy to uphold.[/QUOTE]
But the people there don't seem to see it that way. Shouldn't that matter? Yes, Erdogan is an asshole. The people want an asshole. Instead of supporting a crazy military coup that will only make things worse, shouldn't we just support his opponents and try to change things democratically?
I'm not well read on the political situation in Turkey, but supporting a military coup should only be reasonable when a majority of the people are being disenfranchised. Is this what is going on? Judging by the results it doesn't appear so.
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It just seems to me that backing the coup is a lot like "I don't care if people break the law if it benefits me"
Ah 2016
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"Just survived a night of pointless bloodshed and unspeakable violence. Time for selfies!"
I often wonder how the future will look back at us. I can't imagine it'll be with high regards
[QUOTE=Ltp0wer;50720507]What is hard to understand? It seems like erdogan was voted in democratically, he obviously has lots of support judging by the people who went to the streets.
Just because you hate the dude shouldn't mean you support a military coup.
I really don't understand the support for the coup in this thread. Why? Someone explain it to me, because I feel like I'm in the dark.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I don't understand either. We don't know their motives, they shoot into crowds and kill the police.
It's obvious the people doesn't support it. None of the parties support it. Not even the exiled opponent of Ergodan supports it.
Yeah Ergodan is one piece of shit, but supporting any enemy of Ergodan, not knowing their motives is naive and childish as fuck.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;50720565]Yeah Ergodan is one piece of shit, but supporting any enemy of Ergodan, no matter their motives is naive and childish as fuck.[/QUOTE]
Was this sarcasm?
[QUOTE=DogGunn;50720571]Was this sarcasm?[/QUOTE]
Oops misphrased.
Have the motives behind this coup been revealed yet?
[QUOTE=Jund;50720455]well who are we to deny the will of the people...[/QUOTE]
It's not that black and white when the will of the people is to elect a guy who keeps worsening the human rights situation. This is a "tyranny of the majority" type thing.
At least my friend in here is safe and sound. Pretty sad that civilans and cops have been killed.
I can't believe Erdogan's tactic of sending in his supporters to riot against the military worked.
I hope all this bloodshed wasn't for nothing.
So far it seems like the coup failed but we are getting most of the footage from Istanbul.
As far as I know, the military is still in control of Ankara.
So what's happening in Ankara and the rest of the country?
[QUOTE=Monkah;50720346]been reading reddit
a lot of the more left-leaning communities there are actually supporting erdogan because of 'democracy' or some shit
what the fuck[/QUOTE]
[url=https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/4t2m7c/soldiers_in_turkey_have_failed_to_overthrow/]Not the left-leaning community that I'm following[/url]
Source?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50720623]So what's happening in Ankara and the rest of the country?[/QUOTE]
Everyone involved with the coup is either dead, tortured (dead) or arrested (will die).
Oh man, I was hoping that this would be the last we heard of Erdogan, politically. But it looks like it'll be smooth sailing for that prick from here on out.
So, if I've got this right, Erdogan now has his own little "Reichstagsbrand" and he's about to clean up the military. Meaning everyone who might turn on him in the future will probably disappear.
Where, oh where have I seen this before?
161 casualties confirmed by prime minister.
[editline]16th July 2016[/editline]
1440 injured
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;50720744] everbody universally hates coups.[/QUOTE]
Which is pretty fucking dumb and will most likely keep islamists like Erdogan in power.
All the planning was seriously done on whatsapp?
Dude come on at least have a formal meeting and draft some declaration before this shit happens.
This was doomed to fail from the start.
Govt were very incompetent at dealing with this, coup probably could have won with better planning and decision making
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