• Turkey Experienced Failed Military Coup
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[QUOTE=croguy;50720805]All the planning was seriously done on whatsapp? Dude come on at least have a formal meeting and draft some declaration before this shit happens. This was doomed to fail from the start.[/QUOTE] This entire saga has been really fucking memetastic from Erdogan appearing on wechat to the planning and execution being done in whatsapp
[QUOTE=Buried at Sea;50720605]I can't believe Erdogan's tactic of sending in his supporters to riot against the military worked.[/QUOTE] I think people forget that outside of the usual relatively liberal internet crowd, Erdogan has wide support in Turkey. A majority there doesn't seem to be all that concerned with the power he seems to be consolidating into his government. And to be fair, a military coup in a relatively modern democratic country (it still is, despite it slowly slipping), should not be applauded as the way to go about things. The shitty thing is that this just made more excuses for Erdogan to make even more draconian laws. He's not going anywhere unless the people want him out.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;50720775]i know, i wrote that earlier my point still stands, how can people be idiotic enough to not only vote him into power, but also march into the streets and literally get mowed down by helicopter fire/tank threads believing "yeah this guy is worth fighting for, he said so on facetime on turk-tv"?[/QUOTE] Because they like Erdogan and his policies. This has nothing to do with stupidity. Not every democracy automatically agrees with western values.
there's a video of CNN Turk employees beating up the soldiers who invaded the studios i'm happy those involved in the coup weren't all hard on their resolve, I can't imagine what it would've been like if those soldiers getting beating up used their weapons on them
i love all these people supporting the coup who say it'll bring a return to democracy or something when its a coup forcibly removing somebody from power using guns isnt a democracy thats a dictatorship. the guy was DEMOCRATICALLY voted in and people support a coup which might kill the guy EDIT: i read some more of the threads latest posts and are you srs 'in a nutshell guys, since the people of Turkey dont work the same as the people of the USA and they voted in this guy, we should either invade turkey or just hope that another coup happens!!' what is a democracy
The soldiers had every chance to retaliate against the civilian mobs, but didn't it makes sense not wanting to hurt the people when you are doing the entire coup FOR the people
So what happens to the captured soldiers? Will everybody involved get executed or just the organisers? Over 1,500 people executed sounds crazy.
[QUOTE=croguy;50720805]All the planning was seriously done on whatsapp? Dude come on at least have a formal meeting and draft some declaration before this shit happens. This was doomed to fail from the start.[/QUOTE] WhatsApp has a pretty uptight encryption, still if i were to hold a coup i would not do it over fucking WhatsApp.. I'd use my PS4 of course.
[QUOTE=Maadz;50720857]i love all these people supporting the coup who say it'll bring a return to democracy or something when its a coup forcibly removing somebody from power using guns isnt a democracy thats a dictatorship. the guy was DEMOCRATICALLY voted in and people support a coup which might kill the guy EDIT: i read some more of the threads latest posts and are you srs 'in a nutshell guys, since the people of Turkey dont work the same as the people of the USA and they voted in this guy, we should either invade turkey or just hope that another coup happens!!' what is a democracy[/QUOTE] Yes and North Korea is a Democratic People's Republic.
According to this article from the [url=http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/tuerkei-unsere-militaerkommandeure-haben-die-kontrolle-a-1103321.html]Spiegel[/url], there are now official talks about introducing the death penalty again. What a disaster.
[QUOTE=Buck.;50720859]So what happens to the captured soldiers? Will everybody involved get executed or just the organisers? Over 1,500 people executed sounds crazy.[/QUOTE] They abolished the death penalty in 2004 apparently. It'll just be harsh prison sentences for the leadership I imagine. People forget that Turkey is still relatively modern.
[QUOTE=Clavus;50720895]They abolished the death penalty in 2004 apparently. It'll just be harsh prison sentences for the leadership I imagine. People forget that Turkey is still relatively modern.[/QUOTE] ...And they are talking about bringing it back now. But on the bright side, even if the death penalty came back, holding 1,500 people waiting for it would make a coordinated prison break pretty easy, I'm guessing.
[QUOTE=Clavus;50720895]They abolished the death penalty in 2004 apparently. It'll just be harsh prison sentences for the leadership I imagine. People forget that Turkey is still relatively modern.[/QUOTE] Thats the funny part, they are getting more western and modern by the minute but lately they seem to be drifting back
So what happened? Coup turned out to be the blunder of the year?
160 dead, 1440 wounded and 2830 soldiers in custody. they surrendered relatively easy and quickly before all hell broke loose
[QUOTE=RzDat;50720919]So what happened? Coup turned out to be the blunder of the year?[/QUOTE] well a coup can turn out one out of two ways. this turned into one of the most, less fortunate favorable.
[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50720902]...And they are talking about bringing it back now. But on the bright side, even if the death penalty came back, holding 1,500 people waiting for it would make a coordinated prison break pretty easy, I'm guessing.[/QUOTE] Even if they brought it back, they wouldn't let it apply to crimes prior to signing it back into law. Like I said, people forget Turkey is still a modern democratic nation. It has big issues, but not issues that should let the democratic government be overthrown by the military. Don't equate Turkey to some third world nation.
[QUOTE=Clavus;50720945]Even if they brought it back, they wouldn't let it apply to crimes prior to signing it back into law. Like I said, people forget Turkey is still a modern democratic nation. It has big issues, but not issues that should let the democratic government be overthrown by the military. Don't equate Turkey to some third world nation.[/QUOTE] Okay, then what would be the better way to change all this, despite the fact that nothing else has been working, really?
"I fully support a military coup against a democratic government if the democratic government doesn't appeal to my ideals" is such a retarded policy to hold.
[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50720947]Okay, then what would be the better way to change all this, despite the fact that nothing else has been working, really?[/QUOTE] Erdogan is Turkey's problem. They'll need to decide what kind of nation they want to be. As last night has shown, they still prefer Erdogan over being a nation that still gets its government overthrown by the military every other decade. In the end cooler heads should prevail, and victories should be won through discussion, not through a show of force. However vague or uncertain that path might be.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50720971]"I fully support a military coup against a democratic government if the democratic government doesn't appeal to my ideals" is such a retarded policy to hold.[/QUOTE] mate, i dont want Turkey to become a second Saudi Arabie so of course i'd support a coup that [b]possibly[/b] might have brought Turkey back to its prime Ataturk years
[QUOTE=Xephio;50720987]mate, i dont want Turkey to become a second Saudi Arabie so of course i'd support a coup that [b]possibly[/b] might have brought Turkey back to its prime Ataturk years[/QUOTE] This post is just perfect for how stupid that idea is: You're all throwing your chips behind something you have no idea what it stands for just because you don't like the [I]democratically elected[/I] government.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50720996]This post is just perfect for how stupid that idea is: You're all throwing your chips behind something you have no idea what it stands for just because you don't like the [I]democratically elected[/I] government.[/QUOTE] This isn't as much disagreeing with his policies as it is stopping an objectively bad president who's throwing Turkey down the shitter.
Its crazy how so many people here are supporting the coop when there is literally nothing known at this point about their motives or goals.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50720996]This post is just perfect for how stupid that idea is: You're all throwing your chips behind something you have no idea what it stands for just because you don't like the [I]democratically elected[/I] government.[/QUOTE] i have no idea what the military behind the coup wanted to do and how it wouldve ended up if they had won so I am not saying i fully support them. But the fact theyve surrendered and now erdogan is talking about death penalty and the pro-coup soldiers are getting lynched, bashed and thrown off the Bosphorus bridge says enough about the current state of Turkey. What would you want me to support, Erdogan and the lunatic radicals yelling "Allahu akbar" in the streets in millions? because I wont
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50720971]"I fully support a military coup against a democratic government if the democratic government doesn't appeal to my ideals" is such a retarded policy to hold.[/QUOTE] The coup was in defiance of Erdogan's fast and steady decline into an Islamist theocracy. Ataturk founded the country of Turkey on the belief that religion and state should stay separate, and gave the military the power to overthrow the government if it started becoming a theocratic nation. Look at Saudi Arabia. Religion, especially Islam is not fit to govern a nation.
With the coup being this disorganized and failing completely despite it being military vs police and civilians, if it were a success, I doubt they had a plan for the country afterwards. It's a good thing it failed, regardless whether or not you like Erdogan.
Breaking News:a Turkish military helicopter has landed in Greece.Occupants are requesting for asylum. [url]http://ahtribune.com/world/europe/1074-turkish-military.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Sgt.Kickass;50721020]Breaking News:a Turkish military helicopter has landed in Greece.Occupants are requesting for asylum. [url]http://ahtribune.com/world/europe/1074-turkish-military.html[/url][/QUOTE] We have gone full circle
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