[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;50723610]Is there a Pennsylvania in Turkey or am I missing something here?[/QUOTE]
Gulen is in a self-imposed exile hiding in America, now we're considering extraditing him back to Turkey.
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;50723657]In my experience Turkish people don't consider themselves part of the country they live in.
Obviously there's exceptions to this but they're rare.[/QUOTE]
We (Sweden) had one of our MEPs there when it happened. She is of Turkish descent. No idea what she identifies with. Yeah, luckily for all tourists, this only lasted for a short time.
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;50723630]Turkey is new to this entire borders thing.
[video=youtube;Y112OGP81Zs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y112OGP81Zs[/video][/QUOTE]
if you're gonna post a video in another language with no subtitles, at least give a bit of a backstory
It doesn't come as a surprise that the soldiers who are mostly conscripts and were (allegedly) told that holding the bridges was a training exercise are now being brutalized after surrendering.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/dxiSZDG.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/F1dnMqv.jpg[/IMG]
also NSFW
[URL]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=51a_1468670298[/URL]
[QUOTE=DETrooper;50723798]It doesn't come as a surprise that the soldiers who are mostly conscripts and were (allegedly) told that holding the bridges was a training exercise are now being brutalized after surrendering.
also NSFW
[URL]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=51a_1468670298[/URL][/QUOTE]
yeah that is pretty much what we get when erdogan sends his islamists supporters out in the streets, for some weird reason islamists are pretty prone torturing people and beheading them.
So I heard some islamists tried to threw an soldier from the bridge.
[URL="https://www.facebook.com/hakikionurlusanatcilar/videos/518892898310187/"]https://www.facebook.com/hakikionurlusanatcilar/videos/518892898310187/[/URL]
Video doesn't show much but they are talking about it. What this country has become... I won't be suprised if this country ends up like Iraq or Iran.
I can't understand the soldiers passively taking torture
Like I get surrendering but if someone's coming to hurt me, you're going to get hurt
It would be so easy if the people weren't sadistic
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;50723589][media]https://twitter.com/BBCBarbaraPlett/status/754435599470321664[/media]
[url]https://www.denverpost.com/2016/07/16/us-would-consider-extradition-request-for-exiled-cleric-in-turkey/[/url][/QUOTE]
But we pretend our leaders and their association with Erdogan isn't shitty and going beyond just, "Not going o support a coup."
Not only will we support keeping your dictator in power, we'll return your exiled critics so you can torture and kill them.
[editline]16th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;50723987]I can't understand the soldiers passively taking torture
Like I get surrendering but if someone's coming to hurt me, you're going to get hurt
It would be so easy if the people weren't sadistic[/QUOTE]
Because many of them were just there, and many had no desire to hurt civilians at all, they were trying to do the right thing. Of course, doing the right thing is bad if a facade of "democracy" blankets the situation.
I pray for erdoroach to get his head blown off eventually
I checked the news section of google, and there are ZERO articles on the fucking lynching
The fuck
[QUOTE=Toro;50723162]Man, the coup soldiers are being lynched and tortured everywhere.
[url]https://i.imgur.com/F1dnMqv.jpg[/url] (Linked because its lightly NSFW, no blood or gore though)[/QUOTE]
Turkey is a very civilized, democratic nation that doesn't have the death penalty, [I]said a number of people in this thread.[/I]
Indeed, I now see why they will not be bringing back the death penalty.
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;50724203]Turkey is a very civilized, democratic nation that doesn't have the death penalty, [I]said a number of people in this thread.[/I]
Indeed, I now see why they will not be bringing back the death penalty.[/QUOTE]
They don't need to, the democratic populace have that covered already.
people on the Turkish subreddit are saying it's a false flag:
[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/Turkey/comments/4t2pso/this_coup_reeks_false_flag/"]https://www.reddit.com/r/Turkey/comments/4t2pso/this_coup_reeks_false_flag/[/URL]
[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/Turkey/comments/4t61nm/as_fact_surface_it_is_painfully_obvious_that/"]https://www.reddit.com/r/Turkey/comments/4t61nm/as_fact_surface_it_is_painfully_obvious_that/[/URL]
take with grain of salt but a few points of theirs are interesting
[QUOTE=Svinnik;50724309]people on the Turkish subreddit are saying it's a false flag:
[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/Turkey/comments/4t2pso/this_coup_reeks_false_flag/"]https://www.reddit.com/r/Turkey/comments/4t2pso/this_coup_reeks_false_flag/[/URL]
[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/Turkey/comments/4t61nm/as_fact_surface_it_is_painfully_obvious_that/"]https://www.reddit.com/r/Turkey/comments/4t61nm/as_fact_surface_it_is_painfully_obvious_that/[/URL]
take with grain of salt but a few points of theirs are interesting[/QUOTE]
its a false flag by the american establishment to keep trump's announcement off the news cycle
[QUOTE=NoDachshund;50724531]its a false flag by the american establishment to keep trump's announcement off the news cycle[/QUOTE]
I Knew it! LizardtrumpbotTM is coming, Open your eyes sheeple!
[QUOTE=Toro;50723162]Man, the coup soldiers are being lynched and tortured everywhere.
[url]https://i.imgur.com/F1dnMqv.jpg[/url] (Linked because its lightly NSFW, no blood or gore though)[/QUOTE]
That photo doesn't match the description at all. I see a bunch of cowering captured soldiers surrounded by civilians, no torture or lynching visible. Nothing remotely NSFW visible.
But there's a guy literally about to hit one of the cowering soldiers with a belt.
[QUOTE=Ridge;50725276]That photo doesn't match the description at all. I see a bunch of cowering captured soldiers surrounded by civilians, no torture or lynching visible. Nothing remotely NSFW visible.[/QUOTE]
[t]http://puu.sh/q3Ujz/0b0c25bcdb.png[/t]
[editline]17th July 2016[/editline]
thrown off the bridge, fam
[QUOTE=Ridge;50725276]That photo doesn't match the description at all. I see a bunch of cowering captured soldiers surrounded by civilians, no torture or lynching visible. Nothing remotely NSFW visible.[/QUOTE]
[quote]the action or practice of inflicting severe pain on someone as a punishment or in order to force them to do or say something.[/quote]
I don't know if getting whipped several times by a belt is severe pain but there you go
Well, if they like to be dictated, nobody's going to help them anymore.
By the way, [B]THIS[/B] is what you compare with the Tiananmen Square tank man incident, not that BLM thing.
[QUOTE=Mr.Brown;50725644]Well, if they like to be dictated, nobody's going to help them anymore.
By the way, [B]THIS[/B] is what you compare with the Tiananmen Square tank man incident, not that BLM thing.[/QUOTE]
It's definitely closer than than blm shit, but the turks weren't fighting for basic human rights
The US has told Turkey to fuck off with implications that it was linked/knew/helped the coup
[url]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/17/us-turkey-coup-attempt-fethullah-gulen[/url]
[QUOTE=Jemminaag;50725573][t]http://puu.sh/q3Ujz/0b0c25bcdb.png[/t]
[editline]17th July 2016[/editline]
thrown off the bridge, fam[/QUOTE]
This is absolutely inhumane and barbaric, behaving more like animals rather than humans. And worse of all is the fact that this is the general polulation, rather than a vocal minority.
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;50724203]Turkey is a very civilized, democratic nation that doesn't have the death penalty, [I]said a number of people in this thread.[/I]
Indeed, I now see why they will not be bringing back the death penalty.[/QUOTE]
I've been watching some videos where these guys were running people over, intentionally, with their tanks, both people on foot and in their cars sitting in traffic. Another video where a crowd of people got too close to a bridge soldiers were holding (I assume the same one from the photos above) and they fired into the crowd. Some poor oblivious guy on a bike was riding towards them, the crowd trying to get his attention to stop to no avail, and then they gunned him down
It's all kinds of fucked up, both sides
[URL="https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ethullah-gulen"]https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ethullah-gulen[/URL]
[I]
"He said the coup was “[B][I]a gift from God[/I][/B]” because it would allow him now to “cleanse the army”."[/I] This is one of the reasons why I hopped coup to be successful.
I saw people saying because he is democratically choosed, coup is a bad thing. No, it's not. It's not a suprise he's been winning all these years [B]EVEN AFTER[/B] Gezi thing like a lot of people talked against him at that point but he won with %50 afterwards... This is all has to be a joke or something to be honest. Like a lot of people uprise because police forces abuse civils but later on the voting time he wins with more than he got before. Aside from he is winning everything without a backlash, we can agree, he is getting promoted left and right unlike people who become prime minister before. [U]No doubt he is setting up these events to give himself more power.[/U]
Long story short, I hoped coup to be successful because that was our last chance to kick this dictator out of the country.
[QUOTE=kaukassus;50726047]This is absolutely inhumane and barbaric, behaving more like animals rather than humans. And worse of all is the fact that this is the general polulation, rather than a vocal minority.[/Quote]
This is actually part of natural human behaviour, society has just made attempts to suppress it is all.
But yes, when a huge general population goes out and kills their own soldiers, then, well, you can't really arrest an entire crowd grouped together on a bridge for murder, can you.
It's scary that the whole crowd can get away with this so easily.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;50724309]people on the Turkish subreddit are saying it's a false flag:
[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/Turkey/comments/4t2pso/this_coup_reeks_false_flag/"]https://www.reddit.com/r/Turkey/comments/4t2pso/this_coup_reeks_false_flag/[/URL]
[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/Turkey/comments/4t61nm/as_fact_surface_it_is_painfully_obvious_that/"]https://www.reddit.com/r/Turkey/comments/4t61nm/as_fact_surface_it_is_painfully_obvious_that/[/URL]
take with grain of salt but a few points of theirs are interesting[/QUOTE]
Wishful thinking by redditors.
What military commander would accept to do a fake coup for Erdogan? It's pretty much a death sentence. And how the hell do you trick a military commander into doing a coup? Like how? Only way I can think off is if military was already planning to do a coup, but Erdogan government discovered and scared them into rushing the coup that had failed due to poor planning and coordination. But that would still make a coup real, just government made do it unprepared.
Also so many people had been killed and wounded from both sides, material damage is 100's of millions in both major cities and it had severely weaken the country overall. That is not really going into Erdogan's favour, when he was already supremely powerful in country and very few could have resist him outside elections.
Doing false flag is just pointlessly rushing his expansion of getting more power he'd have gotten anyway later, but at the price of tanking his country economy and taking a massive risk of hypothetical false flag being exposed which would severely ruin Turkey and Erdogan's government if it was true and exposed.
[editline]17th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50726515]This is actually part of natural human behaviour, society has just made attempts to suppress it is all.
But yes, when a huge general population goes out and kills their own soldiers, then, well, you can't really arrest an entire crowd grouped together on a bridge for murder, can you.
It's scary that the whole crowd can get away with this so easily.[/QUOTE]
But will they get away with it?
Afterall Turkish police was fighting against military whole night and suffered heavy losses. So police was heavily spread thin and exhausted, so they were rather not in ideal position to stop an angry mob that had witness military shooting and killing civilians and bombing their city.
It's no surprised this had happened, in fact it's surprising it had only happened in one place. Everywhere else where military had surrendered, they didn't suffer abuse from civilians that were out on street.
I'm certain that once things get cooled down, individuals who had beaten and killed surrendered soldiers will be arrested and prosecuted to full extend of the law.
[QUOTE=CroGamer002;50726663]Wishful thinking by redditors.
But will they get away with it?
Afterall Turkish police was fighting against military whole night and suffered heavy losses. So police was heavily spread thin and exhausted, so they were rather not in ideal position to stop an angry mob that had witness military shooting and killing civilians and bombing their city.
It's no surprised this had happened, in fact it's surprising it had only happened in one place. Everywhere else where military had surrendered, they didn't suffer abuse from civilians that were out on street.
I'm certain that once things get cooled down, individuals who had beaten and killed surrendered soldiers will be arrested and prosecuted to full extend of the law.[/QUOTE]
in several of the pictures where the akp mobs are lashing/beating the soldiers you clearly see several police officers in vests standing around doing nothing.
[QUOTE=Jemminaag;50725573][t]http://puu.sh/q3Ujz/0b0c25bcdb.png[/t]
[editline]17th July 2016[/editline]
thrown off the bridge, fam[/QUOTE]
Holy shit.
And this is from a supposed democracy? I'm really scared of what's to come in Turkey now.
What democracy?
[B]Erdogan is god's gift to this country.[/B] *Cough totally not sarcastic at all.*
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