• Turkey Experienced Failed Military Coup
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Holy shit there are liveleak videos of tanks running people over. It was really graphic. Does anyone think it's that group of soldiers getting beaten?
Rumors indicate that the animal who beheaded our soldiers on the bridge has been killed. Let's hope that it's true.
[QUOTE=AhoyMate;50727261]Rumors indicate that the animal who beheaded our soldiers on the bridge has been killed. [b]Let's hope that it's true.[/b][/QUOTE] You are really not setting yourselves as the rational side with this. Anyone who attacked soldiers should be prosecuted, not killed. Some of these soldiers, despite being conscripts, opened fire and murdered unarmed civilians, btw. They don't deserve to be killed either, but let's not deify every single member of the military. Like, I can understand that with Erdogan now moving to further erode personal liberties there's a certain emotional impact, but can you really not see what would go wrong if reprisal killings became widespread and accepted, if not supported? There's already been a bloodbath.
[QUOTE=phaedon;50727337]You are really not setting yourselves as the rational side with this. Anyone who attacked soldiers should be prosecuted, not killed. Some of these soldiers, despite being conscripts, opened fire and murdered unarmed civilians, btw. They don't deserve to be killed either, but let's not deify every single member of the military. Like, I can understand that with Erdogan now moving to further erode personal liberties there's a certain emotional impact, but can you really not see what would go wrong if reprisal killings became widespread and accepted, if not supported? There's already been a bloodbath.[/QUOTE] I dunno, if somebody kills someone and feels no guilt because he thinks it's right, he needs rehab, but if that doesnt work, he's gotta go not all lives need to be saved once it's been proven that those lives' are not going to get any better than that
[QUOTE=CroGamer002;50726663]Wishful thinking by redditors. What military commander would accept to do a fake coup for Erdogan? It's pretty much a death sentence. And how the hell do you trick a military commander into doing a coup? Like how? Only way I can think off is if military was already planning to do a coup, but Erdogan government discovered and scared them into rushing the coup that had failed due to poor planning and coordination. But that would still make a coup real, just government made do it unprepared. Also so many people had been killed and wounded from both sides, material damage is 100's of millions in both major cities and it had severely weaken the country overall. That is not really going into Erdogan's favour, when he was already supremely powerful in country and very few could have resist him outside elections. Doing false flag is just pointlessly rushing his expansion of getting more power he'd have gotten anyway later, but at the price of tanking his country economy and taking a massive risk of hypothetical false flag being exposed which would severely ruin Turkey and Erdogan's government if it was true and exposed. [editline]17th July 2016[/editline] But will they get away with it? Afterall Turkish police was fighting against military whole night and suffered heavy losses. So police was heavily spread thin and exhausted, so they were rather not in ideal position to stop an angry mob that had witness military shooting and killing civilians and bombing their city. It's no surprised this had happened, in fact it's surprising it had only happened in one place. Everywhere else where military had surrendered, they didn't suffer abuse from civilians that were out on street. I'm certain that once things get cooled down, individuals who had beaten and killed surrendered soldiers will be arrested and prosecuted to full extend of the law.[/QUOTE] Good luck with finding all of the people in a [b]huge mob[/b] who did it when there's bias for Erdogan in the police force, and, well, yeah, a [b]huge mob[/b]. [editline]17th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=SebiWarrior;50727438]I dunno, if somebody kills someone and feels no guilt because he thinks it's right, he needs rehab, but if that doesnt work, he's gotta go not all lives need to be saved once it's been proven that those lives' are not going to get any better than that[/QUOTE] If rehab doesn't work, don't fucking kill him! What the fuck dude?! Release him and have his life be monitored until he's considered safe for society, don't fucking kill him.
[QUOTE=moffe;50726936]in several of the pictures where the akp mobs are lashing/beating the soldiers you clearly see several police officers in vests standing around doing nothing.[/QUOTE] Did you... did you even read what I wrote? Also in later pictures police did went to save those soldiers. Here's a thing, it was a massive chaos that morning. Police had suffered major losses that day and were putting huge numbers of soldiers into custody all over the city. There were not enough police officers at Bosphorus Bridge to handle to situation properly and quickly. They were exhausted, thin in numbers and most likely still in shock due to coup. And yet again, only place where surrendering soldier were abused was at Bosphorus Bridge. Everywhere else surrendering soldiers were treated well by civilians and whatever police was there capable to bring them into custody. If anything, both pro-coup soldiers and pro-government police and protestors should be praised with how much restraint was used in most places. Pro-coup military had afterall killed many civilians on streets, but in most places soldiers refused to fire at civilians. At same time pro-government protestors also shown a lot of restrains and not beating soldiers who had surrender and had instead brought them to police to take them into custody. And the police, as far as we seen so far, hadn't even have a single incident of abusing pro-coup soldiers that had surrender. Cops were being shot and bombed by these same soldiers whole night, yet didn't want to enact any revenge for their killed and wounded colleagues. [editline]17th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50727465]Good luck with finding all of the people in a [b]huge mob[/b] who did it when there's bias for Erdogan in the police force, and, well, yeah, a [b]huge mob[/b]. [/QUOTE] There are hundreds clear high quality pictures of people with their faces clearly seen of who had beaten soldiers that had surrendered. They can be identified very quickly, once things cool down and police resources are no longer focused on detaining thousands of soldiers who took part of the coup.
[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;50727438]I dunno, if somebody kills someone and feels no guilt because he thinks it's right, he needs rehab, but if that doesnt work, he's gotta go not all lives need to be saved once it's been proven that those lives' are not going to get any better than that[/QUOTE] The primary objective of our justice systems is to keep dangerous offenders away from the public, rehabilitation is secondary. Setting all other moral considerations aside for a moment, the death penalty is more expensive. And in the case that the killing is extrajudicial (ie reprisal killings), you are opening up a huge can of worms, possibly inviting more reprisals, vendettas, vigilantes, domestic terrorism and general instability.
I'm not sure if the coup was a false flag or was set up to out those who would willingly overthrow Erdogan, but it is strange. No doubt they will use the failed coup to their advantage. I want to add, Rebel F-16's evidently had lock on Erdogans aircraft and the two F-16's guarding it. They never opened fire which is strange. [url]http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-plot-insight-idUKKCN0ZX0Q9[/url]
Outright elimination would give such negative look at you instant.
[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50726515]This is actually part of natural human behaviour, society has just made attempts to suppress it is all. .[/QUOTE] I for one have never in my life thought of attempting to mutilate someone, am I not human? It's like basic "oh shit I got cut as a child, I wouldn't want to put this harm on anyone else" Point I'm making is that, these people are 100% willing to harm others
And here we go: [URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36818401"]Death penalty might be coming back in Turkey.[/URL] [quote]Mr Erdogan told a crowd that Turkey would consider reinstating the death penalty. He said: "In democracies, decisions are made based on what the people say. I think our government will speak with the opposition and come to a decision. "We cannot delay this anymore because in this country, those who launch a coup will have to pay the price for it." Capital punishment was abolished in 2004 as part of Turkey's bid to join the European Union. Nobody has been executed in the country since 1984.[/quote]
[QUOTE=AhoyMate;50716456]just asked a soldier what was going on he sais that everythings under control ive got no frickin idea what he meant [editline]15th July 2016[/editline] there are 4 tanks here right next to me[/QUOTE] This reminds me of that thread about a Facepuncher who was living in basically a war zone and would keep us in touch about it nearly every single day. He really liked Pokemon as well. Completely forgot about that thread until this point, shite.
[QUOTE=RocketRacer;50728108]This reminds me of that thread about a Facepuncher who was living in basically a war zone and would keep us in touch about it nearly every single day. He really liked Pokemon as well. Completely forgot about that thread until this point, shite.[/QUOTE] That person from Yemen, right? I remember it too.
[QUOTE=RocketRacer;50728108]This reminds me of that thread about a Facepuncher who was living in basically a war zone and would keep us in touch about it nearly every single day. He really liked Pokemon as well. Completely forgot about that thread until this point, shite.[/QUOTE] do you think hes ok
[QUOTE=Solomon;50728366]do you think hes ok[/QUOTE] Judging from [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1460625&p=50568172&viewfull=1#post50568172"]this[/URL] post, I see things have improved a lot there. Let's hope they stay like that.
Well this is weird, my parents have been watching the news 24/7 since the coup started and I just showed them pictures of the soldiers getting beaten and some of em killed and they were in shock and didnt know anything about it. the TV has been COMPLETELY silent about the lynching of the soldiers by civilians. but hey, I understand. can't let people sympathize with the people who oppose Erdogan right
Hey guys, I don't know what but Russian News Agency just reported that Police forces of Istanbul has received orders to SHOOT DOWN ALL HELICOPTERS ON SIGHT. Is this coup really over or is it going into full out civil war?
[url]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-usa-gulen-idUSKCN0ZX0T8?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=578c0f1d04d3012e7afeedff&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter[/url] Turkish cleric Gulen says Erdogan behind coup, willing to be extradited
[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;50729838][url]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-usa-gulen-idUSKCN0ZX0T8?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=578c0f1d04d3012e7afeedff&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter[/url] Turkish cleric Gulen says Erdogan behind coup, willing to be extradited[/QUOTE] I really would not wish to be in his shoes right now but that is a very brave move. Although in Turkey, he will probably have no fair trial whatsoever.
[url=http://www.worldtribune.com/erdogan-official-blames-u-s-for-coup-attempt-u-s-forces-at-turkeys-incirlik-air-base-on-high-alert/ ]Turkish Minister blames US for coup[/url], meanwhile [url=http://www.politico.eu/article/turkish-state-media-erdogan-to-meet-vladimir-putin-turkey-coup-attempt/ ]Erdogan schedules a meeting with Putin.[/url] So much for the State Department showing support to Erdogan. Erdogan also said the US is not a friend of Turkey, since we have not deported Gulen. Turkey apparently has not asked for extradition through the proper channels, probably because they know the US would then investigate Gulen and potentially find no wrongdoing.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;50729924][url=http://www.worldtribune.com/erdogan-official-blames-u-s-for-coup-attempt-u-s-forces-at-turkeys-incirlik-air-base-on-high-alert/ ]Turkish Minister blames US for coup[/url], meanwhile [url=http://www.politico.eu/article/turkish-state-media-erdogan-to-meet-vladimir-putin-turkey-coup-attempt/ ]Erdogan schedules a meeting with Putin.[/url] So much for the State Department showing support to Erdogan. Erdogan also said the US is not a friend of Turkey, since we have not deported Gulen. Turkey apparently has not asked for extradition through the proper channels, probably because they know the US would then investigate Gulen and potentially find no wrongdoing.[/QUOTE]Rubs elbow with bad people, and you might find your elbows rubbed raw.
[QUOTE=tomatmann;50721738]Isn't this kinda an act of war?[/QUOTE] Even if the base was entirely US owned, would be on turkish soil regulated by us law. Meaning that if they say 'be gone by tomorrow' the US would have to leave overnight. Its at the grace of the hosts. But its not US owned, its a turkish base that the US has some bunks at. [editline]18th July 2016[/editline] I think Erdogan is jumping ship to 'the russian side' but i want to bet putin is not interested in a second cold war and might play erdogan like a cheap fiddle and discard once it becomes no longer in his best interest.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50730883]Even if the base was entirely US owned, would be on turkish soil regulated by us law. Meaning that if they say 'be gone by tomorrow' the US would have to leave overnight. Its at the grace of the hosts. But its not US owned, its a turkish base that the US has some bunks at. [editline]18th July 2016[/editline] I think Erdogan is jumping ship to 'the russian side' but i want to bet putin is not interested in a second cold war and might play erdogan like a cheap fiddle and discard once it becomes no longer in his best interest.[/QUOTE] I don't get the "now putin is mah friend" thingey going with erdogan. Their meeting was planned before coup ever took place and is , a merely a result of Erdy backin off on his "no excuses for downing of a plane" since tourism was in decline. Now, since russia has shut flights with turkey again, but this time presenting it as a security measure, Errdog realises that simple excuses won't work (he can see Egypt for example) and Kremlin gonna bargain a ton of things. Soo it's less of a "taking a side" moment but rather an attempt to damage control. Putin probably going to pressure him into tighter grip over nato base on Turkey or speed up things with turkish pipeline project.
[URL="https://www.evernote.com/shard/s350/sh/bfa80dab-5bcc-420a-b686-d60fe5da9406/813e08c426328325a952c2be5dc613da"]Details on failed coup in Turkey[/URL]. It was written by a [URL="https://www.reddit.com/user/narwhalsare_unicorns"]redditor[/URL] who lives in Ankara. His source is Mete Yarar, who I think is some political analysts/expert in Turkey. Guy is anti-Erdogan from what I can tell.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50730883] I think Erdogan is jumping ship to 'the russian side' but i want to bet putin is not interested in a second cold war and might play erdogan like a cheap fiddle and discard once it becomes no longer in his best interest.[/QUOTE] What a day to be alive when Turk and Russian are friends :v:
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;50732096]Mete Yarar is a security expert. He is not Anti or Pro Erdogan. He tells what he sees. This seems to be the most realistic interpretation of the events. Explains almost everything. The extreme competence displayed by pro-government is astonishing. Credit where its due.[/QUOTE] Thanks for clarification.
[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/4u0ow3/hellenic_air_force_no_one_intercepted_erdogans/"]Hellenic Air Force: No one intercepted Erdogan's plane[/URL] "According to high-ranking officers of the hellenic air force general staff, the presidential aircraft of Rajep Tayip Erdogan was not pursued during the failed coup attempt of Friday. The Turkish president maintained that, on Friday night, his aircraft was intercepted by aircraft piloted by insurgents. Along the same lines were the statements of a Turkish official in Reuters who stated that the Turkish president "avoided death by just a few minutes". But as a high-ranking source of the hellenic airforce disclosed to SKAI, Greek radars monitored the flight of the presidential aircraft of the Turkish president until it landed in Constantinople and, according to the observation data, Rajep Tayip Erdogan's business jet "was neither accompanied by turkish F-16s nor was it intercepted by other aircraft"." I don't know where else to post it and original article is in Greek, so just putting it here as it's a major contradiction to what Reuters originally said.
The stages of Erdogan's flight: 1. "Why aren't any of the coup jets trying to shoot it down?" 2. "The coup jets locked onto Erdogan's plane, why didn't they shoot?" 3. "Coup Jets were fooled into leaving by Erdogan's quick-thinking pilots." -Turkey 4. "Coup Jets never intercepted Erdogan's plane." -Greece
Looking more like this is all just a move by Erdogan to take full control of the country. We are seeing a dictatorship form before our eyes.
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