Shooting in Savannah, GA Yesterday, Nobody Talking About It - Polidicks

i would totally be down for having a licensing system similar to that for cars. you either have to take safety classes then pass the test to get licensed, or you could just take the test and if you pass you get your license. perhaps require guns to be behind a locked door, whether a safe or a separate room. i think that anything that legislates what you can own rather than how you can own it is entirely ineffectual and only for feel good measures (AWB, silencer legislation)

Happens so often I dont even care anymore...

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49236914]i would totally be down for having a licensing system similar to that for cars. you either have to take safety classes then pass the test to get licensed, or you could just take the test and if you pass you get your license. perhaps require guns to be behind a locked door, whether a safe or a separate room. i think that anything that legislates what you can own rather than how you can own it is entirely ineffectual and only for feel good measures (AWB, silencer legislation)[/QUOTE] I wouldn't mind safe laws if the government dipped into its coffers and subsidized some of the cost for rifle safes. They're incredibly expensive and difficult to move/install, and if anything like that was implemented, it'd be a [I]de facto[/I] ban for most people.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49236956]I wouldn't mind safe laws if the government dipped into its coffers and subsidized some of the cost for rifle safes. They're incredibly expensive and difficult to move/install, and if anything like that was implemented, it'd be a [I]de facto[/I] ban for most people.[/QUOTE] in a better world, they would do this. but that is also why i proposed allowing a locked room, say a closet. getting a deadbolt for a door is much cheaper than a safe and adds a layer of security in case your home gets broken in to. [editline]3rd December 2015[/editline] i think that in a perfect world, the government would heavily subsidize biometrically locked safes, which would allow a gun owner quick access in the case of home defense while still keeping it locked up tight

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49237001]in a better world, they would do this. but that is also why i proposed allowing a locked room, say a closet. getting a deadbolt for a door is much cheaper than a safe and adds a layer of security in case your home gets broken in to. [editline]3rd December 2015[/editline] i think that in a perfect world, the government would heavily subsidize biometrically locked safes, which would allow a gun owner quick access in the case of home defense while still keeping it locked up tight[/QUOTE] How much space do you think people have? Like, do you have the ability to just pick a room at will to do this with? Most people don't have the home space to turn in to an armory. And if they live in an apartment or leased home or the like, they don't have the ability at all.

I have a higher chance of getting run over by a careless driver, or getting T boned by some retard who decides to run a stop sign or a red light, than I do getting shot by a terrorist or some whack job. I'll worry about actual things that can kill me, rather than the idea of some terrorist or nut job with a gun getting to me.

[QUOTE=Megadave;49235548]You can't just change a country's culture because you don't like it. Trust me, we've tried.[/QUOTE] again, if your culture is defined in any way shape or form with violence and weapons it sounds like a pretty fucking awful culture lmao. guns are not "culture", they are tools of destruction. fetishisising them and decreeing them "your culture" is fucking awful.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;49237036]How much space do you think people have? Like, do you have the ability to just pick a room at will to do this with? Most people don't have the home space to turn in to an armory. And if they live in an apartment or leased home or the like, they don't have the ability at all.[/QUOTE] i wasn't thinking a room so much as a closet, but i hadn't considered leased places. i still think it is a good concept but now i'm not sure how it could be executed

Honestly I think homes should be built with walk-in safes pre-installed. If that was the norm it'd only add a couple extra thousand to the cost of the house and would be useful for far more than guns. Many people end up buying a lockbox of some sort and most have things they'd like to keep secure.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49237001]in a better world, they would do this. but that is also why i proposed allowing a locked room, say a closet. getting a deadbolt for a door is much cheaper than a safe and adds a layer of security in case your home gets broken in to. [editline]3rd December 2015[/editline] i think that in a perfect world, the government would heavily subsidize biometrically locked safes, which would allow a gun owner quick access in the case of home defense while still keeping it locked up tight[/QUOTE] In Canada it's fine if it's in your closet as long as it's securely locked, but a high percentage of gun owners get safes anyways because in the end your gun is your responsibility and if it's stolen or lost you could be in trouble if you didn't take reasonable precautions to keep it safe. Not sure how different it is in the US but guns are expensive as all hell here anyway.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;49237099]again, if your culture is defined in any way shape or form with violence and weapons it sounds like a pretty fucking awful culture lmao. guns are not "culture", they are tools of destruction. fetishisising them and decreeing them "your culture" is fucking awful.[/QUOTE] This comes down to you stalwartly refusing to admit that legally owned and operated firearms have a valid recreational purpose and no further discussion can be achieved with you as long as you persist with this idea

[QUOTE=Zezibesh;49236117]a million people dead is also on a scale that is difficult to comprehend so it is more like a statistic in that regard[/QUOTE] Especially when it happens so often that many just start to accept it as an inevitability.

It's probably a gang-shooting since it occurred in a poor neighborhood. It likely didn't gain attention because it was ambiguous. The original article stated that there was a shooting, but didn't specify that people were deceased and injured due to firearms or not. [url]http://wsav.com/2015/12/02/several-injured-1-dead-in-overnight-savannah-shooting/[/url]

[QUOTE=Stopper;49235116]It's extremely meaningful when you compare it to the single digits that you find in other civilized nations.[/QUOTE] I want to point out, in response to this baffelingly well-received post, that "other civilized nations" tend to be ones that are nothing like the U.S. in terms of population size, area scope, poverty rates, or any other number of metrics. Now perhaps if we added [I]all[/I] of Europe together, plus parts of Russia and North Africa, [B]and then[/B] America was still peeling away from these nations in terms of Gun Crime/violence (without transferring the numbers in to other types of violent crime) I might be somehow inclined to agree with this line of thinking. As it stands, this is banal dogmatism that says, "I cannot grasp the problem, so I have proposed the easiest possible solution."

A mass shooting is like 3+ people or something. Those happen everyday. Kinda makes sense that they aren't all covered. [QUOTE=Megadave;49235548]You can't just change a country's culture because you don't like it. Trust me, we've tried.[/QUOTE] Countries have changed their culture though. Countries have entirely restructured themselves or have abolished practices that were barbaric. Slavery, Homophobia, Female Genital mutilation, etc. They can be abolished and removed from a culture. Same with guns.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;49237099]again, if your culture is defined in any way shape or form with violence and weapons it sounds like a pretty fucking awful culture lmao. guns are not "culture", they are tools of destruction. fetishisising them and decreeing them "your culture" is fucking awful.[/QUOTE] why do you always come into these threads acting like your opinion is 100% correct It makes you just look ignorant

[QUOTE=TheTalon;49235235]It's too late to go the direction of Australia and England. Even if all the law abiding citizens gave up their legally owned firearms, there's still many thousands on the street in the hands of people who don't give a shit about the law in the first place. New York confiscated over 2,000 used in crimes in 2014 alone. There's almost no point in even talking about it[/QUOTE] This is the point I bring up all the time. There's no point in crying about the proliferation of guns in the hands of US citizens when it'd be a monumental effort to disarm everyone, fuck if anything it'd destabilise the entire nation. And like you said, criminals who DO have access to firearms would still have access to firearms giving them way, way way more freedom to carry out crimes because their targets don't.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;49237099]again, if your culture is defined in any way shape or form with violence and weapons it sounds like a pretty fucking awful culture lmao. guns are not "culture", they are tools of destruction. fetishisising them and decreeing them "your culture" is fucking awful.[/QUOTE] I didn't realize your expertise on different cultures around the world was so vast and well-researched you were able to make that sort of statement. That's pretty impressive.

[quote]recieved remarkably little media attention.[/quote] Probably because it wasnt an active shooter like California was. Probably because it was four people. Probably because its Savannah Georgia. There is nothing about this shooting that would make it any more significant than a shooting in Minneapolis' north side. No one gives a fuck unless the body count is high or its an active shooter.

Most "mass shootings" are gang related. [editline]3rd December 2015[/editline] for some reason people think it's much worse if the shooter is white, that shit gets reported on an absolute ton, like it's something extra special and evil.

Are there any statistics showing how many "mass shootings" are done by people who legally don't have access to a firearm or are using a firearm that they don't legally own? Because a lot of these shootings are gang crimes, and I'm assuming there's a lot of gangs who don't register guns, don't have concealed carry licenses, or are using unmarked guns.