Justice system scrutinized: Woman hires hitman but goes free - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390462]Are you seriously saying that women aren't being oppressed in society. what kind of fantasy are you living in?[/QUOTE] this isn't how debating works

[QUOTE=Dermock;46390465]What about aspects where women are at the advantage while men are at the disadvantage? eg; public perception of ACCUSED (not convicted before you call me a rape apologist) rapists, the lower female conviction rate of violent crimes, preference towards mothers/women in child custody trials, and of course my favorite topic, the male-only military draft in many countries. [editline]2nd November 2014[/editline] See my post.[/QUOTE] The instances where women have the advantage is caused by the patriarchy. we put women at the top priority because we thought women need to be defended and can't defend themselves, thus creating the issue of male disposability.

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390462]Are you seriously saying that women aren't being oppressed in society. what kind of fantasy are you living in?[/QUOTE] No, dumbass, I said, verbatim, "who said women have it worse off than men?" This means that I don't know, and neither does anyone else. I'm sure you're laser-focused on women's issues that are hardly problems at all any more, while you ignore the many problems men face. For you to state absolutely that women are worse off is dumb and makes everyone want to take you less seriously. Here is why egalitarianism is better than feminism: not only is it, by name, for both genders, it also does not hinge on the petty and unsolvable argument of who has it worse off. Rather it works neutrally to equalize both genders.

[QUOTE=Recurracy;46390476]this isn't how debating works[/QUOTE] At this point I'm pretty sure it's a troll.

that's kinda messed up, but at least the hit never actually happened. I don't know why it's being twisted into a feminist issue tho

I'm not going to bother debating with MRA's, as it's fucking pointless. I really thought this forum was more feminism friendly. Now everyone is egalitarian for some reason :suicide: I remember visiting the forum before, even some mods were pro-feminism. where are they?

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390491]I'm not going to bother debating with MRA's, as it's fucking pointless. I really thought this forum was more feminism friendly. Now everyone is egalitarian for some reason :suicide: I remember visiting the forum before, even some mods were pro-feminism. where are they?[/QUOTE] Can you go away now

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390479]I'm not going to bother debating with MRA's, as it's fucking pointless. I really thought this forum was more feminism friendly. Now everyone is egalitarian for some reason I remember visiting the forum before, even some mods were pro-feminism. where are they?[/QUOTE] Gosh stop! You are making yourself look like a fucking uneducated idiot, just stop! STOP.

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390479]The instances where women have the advantage is caused by the patriarchy. we put women at the top priority because we thought women need to be defended and can't defend themselves, thus creating the issue of male disposability.[/QUOTE] We do not live in a patriarchy. [IMG]http://puu.sh/cA7C7.png[/IMG] If we lived in a patriarchy, women would be legally defined as second class citizens, marriage would essentially be ownership, women would be banned from high profile jobs (like doctors) and denied entry to political positions. This is not true is all western countries, and ESPECIALLY not in the UK where you come from. The UK is probably politically correct and egalitarian country there is legally speaking. And how, or why, would a patriarchy ever approve of "male disposability" seriously now. Why would a patriarchy oppress men? Also, you could replace "patriarchy" with "Illuminati" in your sentence and it'd make the same amount of sense.

[QUOTE=hrak;46390494]Can you go away now[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure you're an MRA at this point, I think you need to ask that question yourself. oh, and I can understand how the forum changed now [IMG]http://www.puu.sh/cA7PH/1931a703f3.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390491]I'm not going to bother debating with MRA's, as it's fucking pointless. I really thought this forum was more feminism friendly. Now everyone is egalitarian for some reason :suicide: I remember visiting the forum before, even some mods were pro-feminism. where are they?[/QUOTE] Again, how am I a MRA? is it because I disagreed with you? Also, asking for moderators to ban based on agenda... Yup, that's certainly very, VERY egalitarian of you. Opinion based censorship is a cornerstone of egalitarian and feminism.

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390500]I'm pretty sure you're an MRA at this point, I think you need to ask that question yourself. oh, and I can understand how the forum changed now [IMG]http://www.puu.sh/cA7PH/1931a703f3.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] I think you ought to stop applying this boogeyman MRA label to every argument that confuses you. If you read something which rebuts your arguments and have no reply to it, maybe it's time to rethink things rather than get out your big jar of MRA stickers and hop into your trench?

[QUOTE=Dermock;46390506]Again, how am I a MRA? is it because I disagreed with you? Also, asking for moderators to ban based on agenda... Yup, that's certainly very, VERY egalitarian of you. Opinion based censorship is a cornerstone of egalitarian and feminism.[/QUOTE] Where did I ask mods to ban based on agenda? I really don't understand how you people think women aren't oppressed in society. Just because they aren't being treated as second-class citizens doesn't mean that they're not being oppressed, there are big gender-pay gaps. There's a lot of misogyny in modern video games, this is all caused by the patriarchy.

Holy fuck Makindri, I don't know if you're trolling or not but now is not the time nor place for a discussion on the portrayal of women in video games. Yes, you're correct that feminism values would close the gap between the treatment of men and women in the judicial system. You are however not explaining why and confusing the shit out of people, which is further compounded by the fact that many think that feminism would slide court decisions even more in favour of the woman. You should have just said "Courts need to stop overprotecting women and women should be hold to the same standards as men and punished equally for the same mistakes" but you didn't.

[QUOTE=Dermock;46390481]At this point I'm pretty sure it's a troll.[/QUOTE] logically defunct people like this actually exist though

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390515]Where did I ask mods to ban based on agenda? I really don't understand how you people think women aren't oppressed in society. Just because they aren't being treated as second-class citizens doesn't mean that they're not being oppressed, there are big gender-pay gaps. [/QUOTE] Sure, this is one example of something that's partially true. But actually nowadays women are paid almost the same. Logical shenanigans can make it seem otherwise. Read: [url]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jun/21/barack-obama/barack-obama-ad-says-women-are-paid-77-cents-dolla/[/url] [QUOTE=Makindri;46390515]There's a lot of misogyny in modern video games, this is all caused by the patriarchy.[/quote] This is a far simpler argument. Modern feminism seems to equate 'sexy' with 'sexist' for reasons no one else agrees with. Likewise it cherry-picks examples of 'weak' female characters and does not tally the overall count of 'weak' versus 'strong ones, which is a worthless argument. Video games are not misogynist - or, again, maybe they are, but nobody's done the statistical work to find out for sure. But innocent until proven guilty is the safest stance.

[QUOTE=deltasquid;46390530]Holy fuck Makindri, I don't know if you're trolling or not but now is not the time nor place for a discussion on the portrayal of women in video games. Yes, you're correct that feminism values would close the gap between the treatment of men and women in the judicial system. You are however not explaining why and confusing the shit out of people, which is further compounded by the fact that many think that feminism would slide court decisions even more in favour of the woman. You should have just said [B]"Courts need to stop overprotecting women and women should be hold to the same standards as men and punished equally for the same mistakes"[/B] but you didn't.[/QUOTE] This can be achieved by adopting feminist values, as it is Egalitarian. That's what I've meant, sorry if I didn't explain myself correctly.

Feminism does not equal egalitarian. From what I understand at least.

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390545]This can be achieved by adopting feminist values, as it is Egalitarian. That's what I've meant, sorry if I didn't explain myself correctly.[/QUOTE] Feminism is not egalitarian until you show the class evidence that: 1) Women definitely have it worse off than men, which is the only reason why it should be 'feminism' instead of 'egalitarianism.' 2) Feminism campaigns to do away with problems men face too.

[QUOTE=hrak;46390544]Sure, this is one example of something that's partially true. But actually nowadays women are paid almost the same. Logical shenanigans can make it seem otherwise. Read: [url]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jun/21/barack-obama/barack-obama-ad-says-women-are-paid-77-cents-dolla/[/url] This is a far simpler argument. Modern feminism seems to equate 'sexy' with 'sexist' for reasons no one else agrees with. Likewise it cherry-picks examples of 'weak' female characters and does not tally the overall count of 'weak' versus 'strong ones, which is a worthless argument. Video games are not misogynist - or, again, maybe they are, but nobody's done the statistical work to find out for sure. But innocent until proven guilty is the safest stance.[/QUOTE] Feminism isn't a hivemind, just because there's one radical feminist girl doesn't mean that she represents all feminists. Equality is the core of feminism, there's just a lot of differing viewpoints inside the feminist 'movement'

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390515]Where did I ask mods to ban based on agenda? I really don't understand how you people think women aren't oppressed in society. Just because they aren't being treated as second-class citizens doesn't mean that they're not being oppressed, there are big gender-pay gaps. There's a lot of misogyny in modern video games, this is all caused by the patriarchy.[/QUOTE] Now you're bringing videogames in to this discussion? How are videogames related? Where have I said "women are not oppressed" or have said anyone is oppressed for this matter? This is not how you debate. Instead of responding to peoples rebuttals with your own, you're asking them loaded questions (like "are you a MRA?" or "do you not think women are oppressed?") merely for stating a counter opinion. On the topic of gender pay gaps (also irrelevant to this thread, may I add) in first world countries like the UK, it is mostly non existent (or so small like 5% that it could easily be a symptom of the sample size). And in some countries like Denmark, women earn more. And who is "the patriarchy"? You seem to refer to it as a group or individual rather than a social concept.

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390557]Feminism isn't a hivemind, just because there's one radical feminist girl doesn't mean that she represents all feminists. Equality is the core of feminism, there's just a lot of differing viewpoints inside the feminist 'movement'[/QUOTE] What does this have to do with what I said? Yes, I have to generalize modern feminism in order to speak about it. That's just the nature of things. It has a lot of constituents and I cannot speak about all of them individually. If you want me to rebut your arguments specifically, so that we won't unfairly represent any feminists, please argue in a personal capacity and not in feminism's favor.

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390545]This can be achieved by adopting feminist values, as it is Egalitarian. That's what I've meant, sorry if I didn't explain myself correctly.[/QUOTE] I know, I got that from your first post but for many this link isn't that obvious.

[QUOTE=deltasquid;46390565]I know, I got that from your first post but for many this link isn't that obvious.[/QUOTE] No it's super obvious, it's just not true.

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390491]I'm not going to bother debating with MRA's, as it's fucking pointless. I really thought this forum was more feminism friendly. Now everyone is egalitarian for some reason :suicide: I remember visiting the forum before, even some mods were pro-feminism. where are they?[/QUOTE] is this some reddit tier troll or something

[QUOTE=Dermock;46390498]We do not live in a patriarchy. [/QUOTE] de jure vs de facto

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;46390588]de jure vs de facto[/QUOTE] As far as I know, no nation's laws make a stance on whether or not there is a patriarchy or matriarchy. What do you mean?

[QUOTE=hrak;46390595]As far as I know, no nation's laws make a stance on whether or not there is a patriarchy or matriarchy. What do you mean?[/QUOTE] Just because we're equal in front of the law doesn't mean society is equal yet. (un)conscious biases and sexism are still things that exist you doofus.

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;46390588]de jure vs de facto[/QUOTE] Engineering or forcing social change has literally never worked. There will always be bigots, assholes, etc. All we as people can do is change the law for the better and hope the people follow suit (which they do, especially in todays very open minded and liberal generation) Legally, the western world is not a patriarchy. Socially it is mostly the same, but both genders suffer bullshit they should not.

[QUOTE=deltasquid;46390601]Just because we're equal in front of the law doesn't mean society is equal yet. (un)conscious biases and sexism are still things that exist you doofus.[/QUOTE] The balance between two non-identical things logically cannot be equal. There will always be a pro-male or pro-female social slant, and no one know which way the incline goes right now.