Justice system scrutinized: Woman hires hitman but goes free - Polidicks

I was just testing to see how the forum changed after MaxofS2D got banned. I actually like it a lot more now, and I agree that feminism isn't egalitarian. Humanistic Egalitarianism is a much better suited to be adapted into society. I'm glad it's sided the other way around, makes me happy.

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390630]I was just testing to see how the forum changed after MaxofS2D got banned. I actually like it a lot more now, and I agree that feminism isn't egalitarian. Humanistic Egalitarianism is a much better suited to be adapted into society. I'm glad it's sided the other way around, makes me happy.[/QUOTE] so you're admitting to deliberately starting pointless shit holyfuck

Does that mean you were joking?

[QUOTE=Dermock;46390636]so you're admitting to deliberately starting pointless shit holyfuck[/QUOTE] Yes, thanks for participating.

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390641]Yes, thanks for participating.[/QUOTE] please get banned. starting a pointless argument "to see what le forum is like :^)" is utterly abhorrent.

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390427]forum is full of MRA's[/QUOTE] You are incredible. If you actually honestly believe this, you are deluded. This isn't a mens right activists forum, this is a video game forum. We advocate the rights of video games. [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-frogout.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=Dermock;46390648]please get banned. starting a pointless argument "to see what le forum is like :^)" is utterly abhorrent.[/QUOTE] This is just an alt account [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Alt" - Orkel))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390650]This is just an alt account[/QUOTE] Did you spoof your IP?

[QUOTE=Dermock;46390652]Did you spoof your IP?[/QUOTE] Of course

[QUOTE=Dermock;46390606]Engineering or forcing social change has literally never worked. There will always be bigots, assholes, etc. All we as people can do is change the law for the better and hope the people follow suit (which they do, especially in todays very open minded and liberal generation) Legally, the western world is not a patriarchy. Socially it is mostly the same, but both genders suffer bullshit they should not.[/QUOTE]the goal is to change cultural attitudes in the first place people dont just change their views because of the lily ledbetter fair pay act of 2009; legislation is a result of changing attitudes not the other way around many would say both genders suffer as a direct result of patriarchy many would say that this outcome in court is a direct result of patriarchy

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;46390669] many would say both genders suffer as a direct result of patriarchy many would say that this outcome in court is a direct result of patriarchy[/QUOTE] Whoever 'many' is he would be wrong about both of these

[QUOTE=hrak;46390697]Whoever 'many' is he would be wrong about both of these[/QUOTE] Explain how these statements are wrong

[QUOTE=deltasquid;46390734]Explain how these statements are wrong[/QUOTE] That's not how this works. The person who makes them has to first explain why they're right. I can't refute a nonexistent argument.

[QUOTE=hrak;46390740]That's not how this works. The person who makes them has to first explain why they're right. I can't refute a nonexistent argument.[/QUOTE] The statements are nothing new. They're just stating the status quo in society. EDIT: okay, in terms for someone illiterate in feminist writings: explain to me how machoism in society does not hurt (perhaps just a part of, but probably all) men and how it doesn't influence decisions taken by courts.

Just report and move on, no point giving him any more attention to completely derail the entire point of this thread.

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;46390669]the goal is to change cultural attitudes in the first place people dont just change their views because of the lily ledbetter fair pay act of 2009; legislation is a result of changing attitudes not the other way around many would say both genders suffer as a direct result of patriarchy many would say that this outcome in court is a direct result of patriarchy[/QUOTE] IMO bringing up Patriarchy as a cause is on the same level as bringing up determinism, completely pointless in practical terms and yet people [url=https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=45544]do[/url] it anyway. Good Criminological Feminism is just Criminology with a focus on issues relating to women, no need for abstract sociological concepts. You're right about de jure vs de facto, it's more like neighbourhood watch than a police state though. Too many other causing factors way more significant making patriarchy a minor contributor at best.

[QUOTE=deltasquid;46390758]The statements are nothing new. They're just stating the status quo in society. EDIT: okay, in terms for someone illiterate in feminist writings: explain to me how machoism in society does not hurt (perhaps just a part of, but probably all) men and how it doesn't influence decisions taken by courts.[/QUOTE] Depends on what you mean by machoism

[QUOTE=hrak;46390777]Depends on what you mean by machoism[/QUOTE] The expectation that all men do and should act in traditionally masculine ways, and all women do and should act in traditionally feminine ways, with all the consequences this entails (e.g. men never get raped, and if you are, then you won't be believed/you'll be ridiculed. Women wearing revealing clothes are begging to be raped, after all, men can't behave themselves. Men are good at maths and sciences, women not. Men are cold and calculating, women warm and compassionate. Men lead, women follow. etc.)

[QUOTE=deltasquid;46390787]The expectation that all men do and should act in traditionally masculine ways, and all women do and should act in traditionally feminine ways, with all the consequences this entails (e.g. men never get raped, and if you are, then you won't be believed/you'll be ridiculed. Women wearing revealing clothes are begging to be raped, after all, men can't behave themselves. Men are good at maths and sciences, women not. Men are cold and calculating, women warm and compassionate. Men lead, women follow. etc.)[/QUOTE] This is called gender roles, not machoism. Please do not invent new words that jive with your agenda when accurate and neutral ones exist.

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390630]I was just testing to see how the forum changed after MaxofS2D got banned. I actually like it a lot more now, and I agree that feminism isn't egalitarian. Humanistic Egalitarianism is a much better suited to be adapted into society. I'm glad it's sided the other way around, makes me happy.[/QUOTE] [img]http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae147/aceojuno/backpedal.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=CrucialSeBBi;46390824][img]http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae147/aceojuno/backpedal.gif[/img][/QUOTE] I sincerely hope he gets perma'd for this autistic stunt. edit: I dont see how wanting someone that derailed a thread in to a pointless feminism argument for no reason other than "to see what the forum is like" to be banned = dumb. the again, you rate all my posts dumb Katska, so there is that.

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390630]I was just testing to see how the forum changed after MaxofS2D got banned. I actually like it a lot more now, and I agree that feminism isn't egalitarian. Humanistic Egalitarianism is a much better suited to be adapted into society. I'm glad it's sided the other way around, makes me happy.[/QUOTE] You're dumb

katska has rated everyone but makindri dumb (who he rates agree) makindri claims to be a alt coincidence? A possible third world war?

[QUOTE=hrak;46390813]This is called gender roles, not machoism. Please do not invent new words that jive with your agenda when accurate and neutral ones exist.[/QUOTE] Machoism specifically refers to encouraging the male gender role, I should have clarified that. It's also an actual word I didn't invent. I think it's also referred to as machismo if that term is more familiar to you. EDIT: you also didn't explain to me in which fantasy world gender roles and expectations do not influence people's behavior, such as the judge deciding over this case. I'm not saying it's the only factor, but it is often A factor in cases such as this one.

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390630]I was just testing to see how the forum changed after MaxofS2D got banned. I actually like it a lot more now, and I agree that feminism isn't egalitarian. Humanistic Egalitarianism is a much better suited to be adapted into society. I'm glad it's sided the other way around, makes me happy.[/QUOTE] Pretending to be a shitbird still means you're acting like a shitbird.

[QUOTE=deltasquid;46390870]Machoism specifically refers to the male gender role, I should have clarified that. It's also an actual word I didn't invent. I think it's also referred to as machismo if that term is more familiar to you.[/QUOTE] So, back to your original argument: "explain to me how [the male gender role] in society does not hurt (perhaps just a part of, but probably all) men and how it doesn't influence decisions taken by courts." It does. How does that support your overall argument that women have it worse off than men?

[QUOTE=Dermock;46390835]I sincerely hope he gets perma'd for this autistic stunt. edit: I dont see how wanting someone that derailed a thread in to a pointless feminism argument for no reason other than "to see what the forum is like" to be banned = dumb. the again, you rate all my posts dumb Katska, so there is that.[/QUOTE] Rated dumb for using autistic as an insult. I personally believe one should refrain from doing that. Also, I have not rated all of your posts dumb. Trust me, I'm not out to get you, I just find some of the arguments made here in this thread a bit frustrating.

[QUOTE=Makindri;46390630]I was just testing to see how the forum changed after MaxofS2D got banned. I actually like it a lot more now, and I agree that feminism isn't egalitarian. Humanistic Egalitarianism is a much better suited to be adapted into society. I'm glad it's sided the other way around, makes me happy.[/QUOTE] Oh get lost, There is enough of an anti feminist attitude on FP at the moment without people like you posting this kind of stupid shit. you might as well have entered a thread on a woman winning the lottery to post one of those daft "i am a multi-gender bi-curious dragon-kin with a large side of fries pronouns are fry/fries/chip plz" .

[QUOTE=hrak;46390890]How does that support your overall argument that women have it worse off than men?[/QUOTE] I didn't argue that though. Someone said [quote]many would say both genders suffer as a direct result of patriarchy many would say that this outcome in court is a direct result of patriarchy[/quote] You replied [quote] Whoever 'many' is he would be wrong about both of these [/quote] And all I wanted to know is why you thought this was wrong. But now you said the statements are true so idk.

[QUOTE=deltasquid;46390929]I didn't argue that though. Someone said You replied And all I wanted to know is why you thought this was wrong. But now you said the statements are true so idk.[/QUOTE] I didn't say both those statements are true, they're quite different from what I said