Obama calls for assault weapons ban, background checks. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Scot;39244960]Not to the same degree.[/QUOTE] A hole is a hole, you'd bleed out one way or another.

[QUOTE=Scot;39244960]Not to the same degree.[/QUOTE] Maybe in the paralysis department, but a knife will shred through an organ better than a bullet would. A bullet has a tiny entrance and exit area, knives dont.

[QUOTE=Scot;39244938]It's not like bullets destroy vital organs and paralyse you or anything.[/QUOTE] And Knifes don't? Have you even seen the size they make knifes in? A knife slowly slicing into you and then slicing out would be a lot worse pain wise than what a single bullet would likely do. Though bullets do break up and tear around your body. I think I'll take the bullet still.

[QUOTE=Scot;39244957]If somebody wants you dead they will not give you the chance. Maybe in your tiny mind they will, but in real life you are going to fucking die.[/QUOTE] So in your world, self-defense just doesn't exist?

[QUOTE=Scot;39244938]It's not like bullets destroy vital organs and paralyse you or anything.[/QUOTE] If I were to jam a knife into your back and strike your spinal chord, there is a chance that if I hit just the right area, you could become a paraplegia. What if I stab you in the chest and pierce your heart?

[QUOTE=Scot;39244957]If somebody wants you dead they will not give you the chance. Maybe in your tiny mind they will, but in real life you are going to fucking die.[/QUOTE] This sounds like a statement that could be verified or destroyed by statistics

[QUOTE=Scot;39244938]It's not like bullets destroy vital organs and paralyse you or anything.[/QUOTE] Knives can do the same thing buddy. Both can fuck you up pretty bad. [QUOTE=Paul McCartney;39244959]I could do the same if I threw a big rock at somebody. Bullets may do that, but the damage area is as I said, a lot smaller than that of a knife.[/QUOTE] You're forgetting hollowpoints.

[QUOTE=UziXxX;39244992]If I were to jam a knife into your back and strike your spinal chord, there is a chance that if I hit just the right area, you could become a paraplegia. What if I stab you in the chest and pierce your heart?[/QUOTE] Stabbing and shooting are both full of shit There

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;39244986]Maybe in the paralysis department, but a knife will shred through an organ better than a bullet would. A bullet has a tiny entrance and exit area, knives dont.[/QUOTE] Okay lets refer back to that article about china. Nobody died.

[QUOTE=Scot;39245014]Okay lets refer back to that article about china. Nobody died.[/QUOTE] Just because no one died doesn't mean knives can't seriously injur someone just as badly, if not worse, than a bullet.

Name a thing banning pistol-grips, barrel shrouds and flash hiders would accomplish? A single thing. That's right: Nothing. They're solely cosmetic or actually for safety. The barrel shroud protects one's hands from being burned by a hot barrel. A flash hider stops the massive heat-wave from the burnt gasses, and instead disperses them away from the operator.

[QUOTE=Scot;39245014]Okay lets refer back to that article about china. Nobody died.[/QUOTE] Just like guns, it's dependent entirely on the size of a blade. If a man walks into a school and shoots 23 kids with a .17hmr and doesn't kill any of them, that doesn't suddenly mean that all guns are less deadly than knives.

[QUOTE=Scot;39244704]Sandy Hook was a tragedy. What he linked was just unfortunate. [editline]16th January 2013[/editline] It won't. That's why he needs to ban all guns.[/QUOTE] Not everyone lives in a country where the government wipes our ass all day, the police show up on time, and crime is low. Please just stick with issues in the UK, as you obviously have no perspective on US issues, being a pampered baby and all.

[QUOTE=Scot;39245014]Okay lets refer back to that article about china. Nobody died.[/QUOTE] So it requires someone to die to get a point across. Wow that's a horrible way to work your argument.

[QUOTE=UziXxX;39245029]Just because no one died doesn't mean knives can't seriously injur someone just as badly, if not worse, than a bullet.[/QUOTE] I stab you in the right place, you'll bleed out before a paramedic can get to you. Same with a gun. And also, if I hit you hard enough with a car, you'll be dead before help arrives also.

[QUOTE=UziXxX;39245029]Just because no one died doesn't mean knives can't seriously injur someone just as badly, if not worse, than a bullet.[/QUOTE] Yeah knives suck almost as much as guns, but you cannot deny that if that guy went into that school with a gun there would have been at least one casualty.

[QUOTE=Scot;39244960]Not to the same degree.[/QUOTE] Have you never seen a hunting knife with a gut hook? How about someone twisting the knife when it's in you? That causes hella damage and leaves a huge hole, which is actually harder for doctors to mend than a clean, small bullet hole.

[QUOTE=Looter;39245043]Not everyone lives in a country where the government wipes our ass all day, the police show up on time, and crime is low. Please just stick with issues in the UK, as you obviously have no perspective on US issues, being a pampered baby and all.[/QUOTE] Haha good one.

Here's a fun fact. You can fit over 80 Britains in the size of the USA.

[QUOTE=Killerelf12;39245055]I stab you in the right place, you'll bleed out before a paramedic can get to you. Same with a gun. And also, if I hit you hard enough with a car, you'll be dead before help arrives also.[/QUOTE] Hell, tobacco kills 3x more people than guns every day. Why isn't that banned? There's nothing in the constitution OR the laws that honestly protect it's possession.

[QUOTE=Scot;39245057]Yeah knives suck almost as much as guns, but you cannot deny that if that guy went into that school with a gun there would have been at least one casualty.[/QUOTE] Depends on the gun. Do you know what kind of knife that man in China was using? Could have been a fucking butter knife for all we know.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;39244959]Bullets may do that, but the damage area is as I said, a lot smaller than that of a knife.[/QUOTE] Uh, about that. [quote] [img]http://www.sinterfire.com/images/ballisticgel.jpg[/img] [img]http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Misc_Images/DocGKR/6.8mmOTMgel.jpg[/img] [img]http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/MiscDocuments/SAMMI_pressure_Hornady_75_gel_shot_from_16_inch_barrel.jpg[/img][/quote]

[QUOTE=Scot;39245057]Yeah knives suck almost as much as guns, but you cannot deny that if that guy went into that school with a gun there would have been at least one casualty.[/QUOTE] What if he misses/the gun jams?

[QUOTE=Scot;39245057]but you cannot deny that if that guy went into that school with a gun there would have been at least one casualty.[/QUOTE] Depends on if he was a shitty shot or not, to be honest.

"he's not going to ban guns guys, stop whining, I don't use them so you don't need them" ~ FP 2012 "he's not going to ban most guns guys, stop whining, I don't use them so you don't need them"~ FP 2013 ? ~ FP 2014 [QUOTE=Elecbullet;39244771]Oh boo hoo. Is it that completely illogical, that backwards, that completely unbelievable a hypothesis that "Violent video games could make the individual more violent"? To the point that any and all studies on the matter are pointless and futile, and will always come to a conclusion beneficial to [I]you[/I] anyway? Let the damn studies happen.[/QUOTE] uh literally NOBODY has a problem with them studying the causal effect of video games on young minds the problem is them spending TAX MONEY on that shit when it's already been studied before and proven to have no link.

[QUOTE=Scot;39245057]Yeah knives suck almost as much as guns, but you cannot deny that if that guy went into that school with a gun there would have been at least one casualty.[/QUOTE] I heard 6 of the children died later in hospital, though I'm on my phone about to go into a lecture and can't find a source right now.

[QUOTE=Ogopogo;39245077]Uh, about that.[/QUOTE] Yeah people need to stop with the sweeping generalizations.

[QUOTE=Scot;39245057]Yeah knives suck almost as much as guns, [b]but you cannot deny[/b] that if that guy went into that school with a gun there would have been at least one casualty.[/QUOTE] Yeah you can. Hell just yesterday a dude shot his financial adviser and then himself and they both survived. Guns aren't an automatic death sentience.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39245083]What if he misses/the gun jams?[/QUOTE] That is the weakest argument I have ever heard. [editline]16th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=OvB;39245092]Yeah you can. Hell just yesterday a dude shot his financial adviser and then himself and they both survived. Guns aren't an automatic death sentience.[/QUOTE] If he shot the same amount of people that he stabbed it would be a miracle if none of them died.

I have seen first hand knife wounds and have had plenty of experience around those who have observed bullet wounds. Knife wounds tend to be a lot worse. Your average criminal is not going to spend the big bucks on self defense loads in a gun, so more than likely their choice will be FMJ target rounds. Which typically go through and through. As said, yes, a hole is a hole. A knife, however, has a tendency to do a lot more damage. Typically with a stabbing there is a struggle. When the blade is inside the body it is forced to move and gouge in the wound during this struggle. Along with hand and arm movements. A knife wound on the outside may look 'minor' but the internal damage can be devastating. In a law enforcement perspective knives can also penetrate bullet resistant vests. The standard issue vests for most agencies do not have stab protection. There are some hybrid vests on the market but they are expensive. Would I want to be shot or stabbed? I would pick neither. ;)