Obama calls for assault weapons ban, background checks. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;39247336]By his posts. SigmaLambda supports sending Police officers to his deaths.[/QUOTE] hey you're the one who thinks that the only way to enact gun control is to start kicking down people's doors someone's sounding a little paranoid

[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;39247367]yeah if their decision involves shooting up a school, i totally want to stop them[/QUOTE] so you'll stop anyone who wants to enjoy anything involving shooting to achieve that, thinking naively that you'll stop any and all events of that happening as well as successfully disarm criminals?

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;39247364]lol "don't you dare take away guns from honest, peaceful citizens who apparently have no qualms about shooting cops to protect their guns"[/QUOTE] If a person was forcibly breaking into your home to try and take your property, you would just let them and not do anything as they tore apart your house, breaking your furniture and making a mess of the place to look for an item?

[QUOTE=UziXxX;39247376]People are giving you very valid reasons that justify owning a firearm, but you're dismissing them as paranoid or lazy.[/QUOTE] (shhhhh im dismissing them because i think they arent valid, instead of being valid)

[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;39247349]you see, you're not making a very good comparison here im saying "why do you need guns at all?" if you were to ask "why do you need cars at all?" i could come up with a ton of reasons but you're asking about a specific class of cars i could also ask you about a specific class of guns, but instead i am asking you about guns as a whole[/QUOTE] So I am correct yes? There is no reason to own a sports car?

[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;39247367]yeah if their decision involves shooting up a school, i totally want to stop them[/QUOTE] The Sandyhook shooter stole the weapons he used from his mother. They were legaly owned and she never used them to commit a crime. The weapons used in the columbine massacre were purchased legaly and were given to Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;39247392]hey you're the one who thinks that the only way to enact gun control is to start kicking down people's doors someone's sounding a little paranoid[/QUOTE] How, pray tell, do you expect to do it then

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;39247392]hey you're the one who thinks that the only way to enact gun control is to start kicking down people's doors someone's sounding a little paranoid[/QUOTE] I don't think I'm a paranoid person for equating forced seizure with kicking down peoples doors. They're literally the same fucking thing.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;39247378]You say you want to get rid of all guns.[/QUOTE] yes this is definitely a thing somebody in this thread has said

[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;39247367]yeah if their decision involves shooting up a school, i totally want to stop them[/QUOTE] Not every American gun owner blatantly walks outside and starts shooting into a crowd, this law will not affect anything its just there to infringe on a societal normality and will eventually lead to higher crime rates and stricter government.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;39247404](shhhhh im dismissing them because i think they arent valid, instead of being valid)[/QUOTE] Self defense is now apparently an invalid argument

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;39247416]I don't think I'm a paranoid person for equating forced seizure with kicking down peoples doors. They're literally the same fucking thing.[/QUOTE] again, you're still assuming that forced seizures are the only way to do this

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;39247424]again, you're still assuming that forced seizures are the only way to do this[/QUOTE] just answer the question of what you would do then

[QUOTE=UziXxX;39247376]People are giving you very valid reasons that justify owning a firearm, but you're dismissing them as paranoid or lazy.[/QUOTE] lmao the reasons are as follows: its in the constitution <- amendments can be changed i like to hunt/shoot targets <- ok well i like to run around with chainsaws, but that's illegal because its dangerous we need to rebel against the government <- this isn't even based in reality why dont you ban sportscars huh??? <- ok im not really a sports car advocate, go ahead??

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;39247417]yes this is definitely a thing somebody in this thread has said[/QUOTE] What are you doing? You can't actually argue so you're going to make an inane post about how my post didn't link to my older one?

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;39247364]lol "don't you dare take away guns from honest, peaceful citizens who apparently have no qualms about shooting cops to protect their guns"[/QUOTE] You do know how the cops who'd most likely be sent to seize weapons operate, right? They break down your front door and shoot your pets if they make noise, then tear the place apart looking for what they came for. If you resist, they arrest you on bullshit charges that will likely land you in prison. If one of them dies, they book you for [i]murder[/i]. Don't make it out to be the honest, friendly cop getting gunned down by an ignorant hick because that's not what'd be happening.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;39247417]yes this is definitely a thing somebody in this thread has said[/QUOTE] Not even six minutes ago. [img]http://www.puu.sh/1ODKd[/img]

Is this literally going to delve into: "You said this" "No I didn't say that." "Yes you did"

[QUOTE=King Tiger;39247378]You say you want to get rid of all guns. Yet the only way to remove guns is to use guns and possibly kill people to get them. So you aren't anti-gun.[/QUOTE] i mean this is a post in which he clearly wasn't even thinking who is to say that's the only reason??? how about every time you arrest anyone with a gun, take it away, every time you find a gun, take it away, dont let anyone ship guns into the country?

[QUOTE=UziXxX;39247422]Self defense is now apparently an invalid argument[/QUOTE] (it is because I don't believe that widespread firearm ownership actually makes people safer)

[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;39247432]lmao the reasons are as follows: its in the constitution <- amendments can be changed i like to hunt/shoot targets <- ok well i like to run around with chainsaws, but that's illegal because its dangerous we need to rebel against the government <- this isn't even based in reality why dont you ban sportscars huh??? <- ok im not really a sports car advocate, go ahead??[/QUOTE] how is sport shooting dangerous, you're going to HAVE to quantify that or else you're just assuming something.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;39247424]again, you're still assuming that forced seizures are the only way to do this[/QUOTE] And you think that the majority of the 150 million gun owners would give up their weapons, their guns that they've spent thousands of dollars on, voluntarily?

[QUOTE=UziXxX;39247178]Fair enough, but he still got into power.[/quote] Gun ownership laws had nothing to do with his rise to power however. [quote]Probably because people admired Adolf Hitler because he got the people working and restored Germany, ect. Just like people admire Barack Obama, with the exception being Adolf Hitler probably did a better job with putting people back to work.[/quote] Hitler did it on an inflationary policy that ultimately would have destroyed the German economy. [quote]Germany was under the Nazi regime. Nazi stands for "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" which translates to "National Socialist German Workers' Party"[/quote] Just like how the Soviet Union was communist. No, the Nazis were socialist in name only. [quote]The same could be said about the United States, but that just sounds too crack-potish for some people to handle.[/QUOTE] what explain

[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;39247269]boom my point exactly! how about we start cracking down now so a few decades ago we can have a smaller problem on our hands?[/QUOTE] they never had a gun culture like the US has and never such a large base of firearms There's around 88 firearms per 100 people in the US

[QUOTE=UziXxX;39247407]The Sandyhook shooter stole the weapons he used from his mother. They were legaly owned and she never used them to commit a crime. The weapons used in the columbine massacre were purchased legaly and were given to Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.[/QUOTE] so you're telling me that had the owners of the guns not had guns those events might not have happened woAH

[QUOTE=Ekalektik_1;39247442]You do know how the cops who'd most likely be sent to seize weapons operate, right? They break down your front door and shoot your pets if they make noise, then tear the place apart looking for what they came for. If you resist, they arrest you on bullshit charges that will likely land you in prison. If one of them dies, they book you for [i]murder[/i]. Don't make it out to be the honest, friendly cop getting gunned down by an ignorant hick because that's not what'd be happening.[/QUOTE] touch a cop, and you're booked for assaulting a police officer.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;39247378]You say you want to get rid of all guns. Yet the only way to remove guns is to use guns and possibly kill people to get them. So you aren't anti-gun.[/QUOTE] I think, honestly, I'd rather we got rid of all guns all at once, like literally they stopped existing, even though people enjoy them, they are such a problem in the world (wars, not just crime).

[QUOTE=UziXxX;39247407]The Sandyhook shooter stole the weapons he used from his mother. They were legaly owned and she never used them to commit a crime. The weapons used in the columbine massacre were purchased legaly and were given to Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.[/QUOTE] exactly so make guns illegal and stop people like these idiot kids from getting access to them?? problem solved! you guys are making this really easy

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;39247456](it is because I don't believe that widespread firearm ownership actually makes people safer)[/QUOTE] If we're going to devolve into statistics. It statistically makes people safer by killing criminals if they did any crimes, thus making the amount of criminals that are active go down, and people safer. The movie black dynamite proves my point.

[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;39247432]lmao the reasons are as follows: its in the constitution <- amendments can be changed i like to hunt/shoot targets <- ok well i like to run around with chainsaws, but that's illegal because its dangerous we need to rebel against the government <- this isn't even based in reality why dont you ban sportscars huh??? <- ok im not really a sports car advocate, go ahead??[/QUOTE] The main two reasons I point out are: 1. Self defense, especially if you're elderly or disabled. 2. Why should the government get to control the lives of the citizen's so heavily? Like the EPA and the new cafe standards, I can go on. Some people like you may be okay with the government having a hand in every aspect of your life, but there are others, myself included, that are capable of making our own responsible decisions.