Obama calls for assault weapons ban, background checks. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;39247447]Not even six minutes ago. [img]http://www.puu.sh/1ODKd[/img][/QUOTE] i was stating that I believed that the mere presence of guns is partly responsible for gun culture. When I am surrounded by hyperbolic babies I don't have the time to nitpick every single statement because all these people in here seemingly can't help but turn "I want to enact X new legislation" into "I WANT TO BAN ALL GUNS"

[QUOTE=ducklingqt;39247476]I think, honestly, I'd rather we got rid of all guns all at once, like literally they stopped existing, even though people enjoy them, they are such a problem in the world (wars, not just crime).[/QUOTE] Then people would just make guns again? A firearm is a basic concept that involves just propelling something from a tube.

[QUOTE=ducklingqt;39247476]I think, honestly, I'd rather we got rid of all guns all at once, like literally they stopped existing, even though people enjoy them, they are such a problem in the world (wars, not just crime).[/QUOTE] do you really think that would stop wars and crime, and violence for even a second? There are people who want to commit violent acts in the world. You are not stopping them by taking away things that more people than just those people use for self defence, sport, or other reasons. You are not making things better. You are creating a power vacuum that will cause a lot of deaths.

It's hilarious how FPers are all pro-science and shit but when statistics refute them they start trying to redefine everything to suit their backwards take on anything they don't like.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39247463]what explain[/QUOTE] George Bush was a tyrant and clearly an incompetent president. The economy was the second worst post WW2. It is really that simple.

[QUOTE=UziXxX;39247492]Some people like you may be okay with the government having a hand in every aspect of your life, but there are others, myself included, that are capable of making our own responsible decisions.[/QUOTE] Everybody isn't you.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39247457]how is sport shooting dangerous, you're going to HAVE to quantify that or else you're just assuming something.[/QUOTE] well bullets, when ejected from a gun, travel at enormous speeds, which can leave a huge impact on whatever target is in its path if that's a human, they could even die! guns make killing extremely impersonal and if youre gonna allow them just because some people like to responsibly have fun with them, you're also allowing irresponsible assholes access to them

[QUOTE=teh pirate;39247507]It's hilarious how FPers are all pro-science and shit but when statistics refute them they start trying to redefine everything to suit their backwards take on anything they don't like.[/QUOTE] I agree. [QUOTE=UziXxX;39247530]George Bush was a tyrant and clearly an incompetent president. The economy was the second worst post WW2. It is really that simple.[/QUOTE] Ok, so how does this make the USA a fascist dictatorship?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39247531]Everybody isn't you.[/QUOTE] What does this statement even mean?

[QUOTE=UziXxX;39247530]George Bush was a tyrant and clearly an incompetent president. The economy was the second worst post WW2. It is really that simple.[/QUOTE] hi were you burning money during dubya it was bad but it wasn't pre ww2 germany bad

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;39247459]And you think that the majority of the 150 million gun owners would give up their weapons, their guns that they've spent thousands of dollars on, voluntarily?[/QUOTE] I think some might. I merely think that we should ban their trade and offer buyback programs, along with more time and effort devoted to stopping the black market for firearms. It's obviously not something that is going to happen overnight but if we're gonna start we might as well start now. Nobody would ever face any legal repercussions for merely owning a registered one.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;39247459]And you think that the majority of the 150 million gun owners would give up their weapons, their guns that they've spent thousands of dollars on, voluntarily?[/QUOTE] no but it would follow a pretty logarithmic trend of course there would still be people with guns, but it would be significantly harder to do anything bad with them, and significantly less of a problem

[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;39247532]well bullets, when ejected from a gun, travel at enormous speeds, which can leave a huge impact on whatever target is in its path if that's a human, they could even die! guns make killing extremely impersonal and if youre gonna allow them just because some people like to responsibly have fun with them, you're also allowing irresponsible assholes access to them[/QUOTE] If killing people is an extremely impersonal act, then why do infantry veterans suffer tremendously from PTSD and have the highest suicide rate?

[QUOTE=LordCrypto;39247466]so you're telling me that had the owners of the guns not had guns those events might not have happened woAH[/QUOTE] I'm saying criminals don't follow laws, and there is nothing you can do to stop them, so why punish people that follow the law? People that are mentally sick like Adam Lanza were going to kill no matter what. If you look at these mass shootings, all of these people are doing these shootings to commit suicide and get publicity. The means are the only question.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;39247545]What does this statement even mean?[/QUOTE] The state exists for the benefit of all. Getting rid of a service that helps one group of people based on the demands of another isn't very wise.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;39247552]I think some might. I merely think that we should ban their trade and offer buyback programs, along with more time and effort devoted to stopping the black market for firearms. It's obviously not something that is going to happen overnight but if we're gonna start we might as well start now.[/QUOTE] So why would I sell an AR-15 for a $100 giftcard to Red Lobster..?

[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;39247556]no but it would follow a pretty logarithmic trend of course there would still be people with guns, but it would be significantly harder to do anything bad with them, and significantly less of a problem[/QUOTE] And yet criminals and other people would still have their guns?

[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;39247532]well bullets, when ejected from a gun, travel at enormous speeds, which can leave a huge impact on whatever target is in its path if that's a human, they could even die! guns make killing extremely impersonal and if youre gonna allow them just because some people like to responsibly have fun with them, you're also allowing irresponsible assholes access to them[/QUOTE] so fuck over everyone in hopes it helps when logic and reason tell me there's no way that's going to happen in america just because other countries did it...

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39247565]The state exists for the benefit of all. Getting rid of a service that helps one group of people based on the demands of another isn't very wise.[/QUOTE] No one is arguing getting rid of a service. He just doesn't see constant surveillance and restrictions as a service.

[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;39247432]its in the constitution <- amendments can be changed[/QUOTE] Citing the potential but extremely rare volatility of amendments is not even a proper argument against gun control. You can make the same case against the 1st amendment by saying "it can be changed" And before you bring up the 18th amendment as an example, the foundation of America's history was attributed to guns, not banning alcohol. The changeability of those two amendments is absolutely incomparable in every degree.

[QUOTE=UziXxX;39247530]George Bush was a tyrant and clearly an incompetent president. The economy was the second worst post WW2. It is really that simple.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry -- are you trying to say that the economy was bad following World War 2? WW2 is responsible for the greatest period of wealth the US ever saw.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;39247558]If killing people is an extremely impersonal act, then why do infantry veterans suffer tremendously from PTSD and have the highest suicide rate?[/QUOTE] you are purposely refusing to think on anything more than a superficial level about any statement presented to you. stop it. it's embarrassing to watch.

[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;39247479]exactly so make guns illegal and stop people like these idiot kids from getting access to them?? problem solved! [/QUOTE] Is this post serious or is it meant to be sarcastic? I honestly can't tell. Anecdotal, but my (canadian) highschool narrowly avoided a potential school shooting scenario in my graduating year. The idiot kid in question actually acquired his gun illegally. [url]http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2009/06/01/bc-templeton-hit-list-guns.html[/url] So frankly I'm not sure what bearing the legality of firearms has on scenarios involving the mentally unstable, because apparently it's pretty easy to get guns illegally; even in places that already have fairly strict gun control.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;39247567]So why would I sell an AR-15 for a $100 giftcard to Red Lobster..?[/QUOTE] It's actually a 100 dollar gift card for the Jerk Store, which might be a problem because they'll probably run out you pretty quickly, considering that you're their biggest seller.

[QUOTE=UziXxX;39247492]The main two reasons I point out are: 1. Self defense, especially if you're elderly or disabled. 2. Why should the government get to control the lives of the citizen's so heavily? Like the EPA and the new cafe standards, I can go on. [/QUOTE] holy shit well i mean i agree with pretty much everything the EPA does, the environment is a very important part of the world, and if you can set standards to stop companies from using dangerous and irresponsible methods for burning fossil fuels and stuff, that's great! i dont know what you mean about this cafe standard thing but you are clearly a very right-winged libertarian and we simply have completely different views you want government to essentially do nothing, but i want them to provide societal support and a centralized political system i mean, can you name any anarchist civilizations that were ever powerful or important throughout history?

[QUOTE=teh pirate;39247587]I'm sorry -- are you trying to say that the economy was bad following World War 2? WW2 is responsible for the greatest period of wealth the US ever saw.[/QUOTE] No, I'm saying that most economists only look at post WW2 events. I.E ignoring the great depression. And you're not correct, the 1980s was the largets expansion of wealth the United States ever saw. I could go into that if you want me to.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;39247600]It's actually a 100 dollar gift card for the Jerk Store, which might be a problem because they'll probably run out you pretty quickly, considering that you're their biggest seller.[/QUOTE] Yore funneh.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39247504]do you really think that would stop wars and crime, and violence for even a second? There are people who want to commit violent acts in the world. You are not stopping them by taking away things that more people than just those people use for self defence, sport, or other reasons. You are not making things better. You are creating a power vacuum that will cause a lot of deaths.[/QUOTE] Well if guns somehow stopped existing altogether, then it would be much less practical and cost effective to wage war, so yes, they would lessen.

[QUOTE=TheHydra;39247589]you are purposely refusing to think on anything more than a superficial level about any statement presented to you. stop it. it's embarrassing to watch.[/QUOTE] no you just enjoy being a condescending ass incapable of seeing another persons point of view. if it were true, and it is true, that guns are the easiest method to kill people in a one on one sense, and used through out wars and combat, that many people who do shoot people end up struggling with the act of killing someone? oh wait everyone who's ever killed anyone with a gun was a remorseless heartless fucking murder

[QUOTE=UziXxX;39245757]I don't know where you live so I can't really comment, I'm assuming you live somewhere in the UK where weapons are banned. Do correct me if I'm wrong.[/QUOTE] But weapons aren't banned here, I wish people would stop the proliferation of this untruth.