Obama calls for assault weapons ban, background checks. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39249950]Well I didn't know that. It's good to know that figure isn't accurate, and it's a shame that this is the only study we seem to have. So let's do new ones[/QUOTE] Pertaining to Canada in specific, there was one, conducted by Dr. Caillin Langmann of the McMaster University Medical Department, it concluded that gun control efforts enacted in 1995 had no positive effect. It was peer-reviewed as well, and published in the [I]Journal of Interpersonal Violence[/I]. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mha9JsHwvwA[/media] Here he is presenting to the Senate on March 28th, during the debate on Bill C-19, Ending the Long Gun Registry Act. Starts at 9:20.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39250016]If I had access to a gun I wouldn't even be posting right now, I'm inherently biased I suppose [editline]16th January 2013[/editline] I think it's always necessary to present people with an example of how effective gun control saves lives[/QUOTE] We don't need anecdotes.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;39242077]Unless you got stats and numbers, don't dance on the graves![/QUOTE] please stop saying this its childish and meaningless and there's absolutely no reason to say it ever at all background checks sound great but the assault weapons ban is dumb

[QUOTE=notlabbet;39250033]piers morgan won[/QUOTE] End of thread. Right there.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;39250053]Pertaining to Canada in specific, there was one, conducted by Cr. Caillin Langmann of the McMaster University Medical Department, it concluded that gun control efforts enacted in 1995 had no positive effect. It was peer-reviewed as well, and published in the [I]Journal of Interpersonal Violence[/I]. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mha9JsHwvwA[/media] Here he is presenting to the Senate on March 28th, during the debate on Bill C-19, Ending the Long Gun Registry Act. Starts at 9:20.[/QUOTE] Yeah I remember this video, it was posted on Reddit a few times. I don't doubt that stricter gun control would have very little effect here, the fact remains that we have a tiny amount of gun crime compared to the United States and already have stricter laws. If you're wondering I don't really support any stricter laws in Canada and was fine with abolishing the long gun registry

[QUOTE=King Tiger;39250005]But people should be allowed to kill themselves if they want right? You would know.[/QUOTE] uhh that's a bit of a worthlessly personal jab like people say shitty things in these arguments all the time but its rare someone says something so genuinely terrible

[QUOTE=King Tiger;39250005]But people should be allowed to kill themselves if they want right? You would know.[/QUOTE] Are you fucking...what. How do you get so fucking upset that you're losing an argument that you resort to something so underhanded and disgusting?

I'm just wondering, do you genuinely believe that if Canada had the exact same guns laws as the U.S., that the crime rate would be the same, or even change at all? [editline]16th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=ducklingqt;39250109]Are you fucking...what. How do you get so fucking upset that you're losing an argument that you resort to something so underhanded and disgusting?[/QUOTE] Losing what now? I haven't lost anything.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;39242156]Did obama seriously mention that one of the executive orders will spend MY tax money on studying whether or not violent video games make people go and kill people IRL? Yup, [url=http://venturebeat.com/2013/01/16/obama-congress-should-fund-research-into-the-effects-violent-video-games-have-on-young-minds/]that's what he said.[/url] Fuck these "feelgood" bills. Demonizing gun owners wasn't enough, now he has to go and demonize gamers?[/QUOTE] why are you so upset? do you think it's going to cost billions of dollars to conduct some video game research or something? seriously chill out think of this in a good way, once they have a verifiable US government study it can be an end-all to the "violent video games cause crime" debate

[QUOTE=King Tiger;39250116]I'm just wondering, do you genuinely believe that if Canada had the exact same guns laws as the U.S., that the crime rate would be the same, or even change at all? [editline]16th January 2013[/editline] Losing what now? I haven't lost anything.[/QUOTE] Well regardless of whether you win an argument or anything, you lost everyone's respect.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;39250005]But people should be allowed to kill themselves if they want right? You would know.[/QUOTE] This was completely unnecessary, insulting, and offensive. I'm surprised Zeke took it in stride like he did.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39250140]why are you so upset? do you think it's going to cost billions of dollars to conduct some video game research or something? seriously chill out think of this in a good way, once they have a verifiable US government study it can be an end-all to the "violent video games cause crime" debate[/QUOTE] I agree that this study will probably do good because it might do as you said; end the stupid video game debate. But it's still a ridiculous waste of money.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;39250067]We don't need anecdotes.[/QUOTE] Well you can look at statistics too if you want, firearms are the most common method of suicide in both Canada and the United States but Canada has a lower rate of suicide by guns and overall

[QUOTE=ducklingqt;39250146]Well regardless of whether you win an argument or anything, you lost everyone's respect.[/QUOTE] Trust me, that happened months ago. Look at my title.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;39242407]Guns aren't harmful when they're in the hands of responsible, knowledgeable people either.[/QUOTE] Unless someone sleeps with his responsible, knowledgable wife.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39250157]Well you can look at statistics too if you want, firearms are the most common method of suicide in both Canada and the United States but Canada has a lower rate of suicide by guns and overall[/QUOTE] Why does the type of suicide matter? Why not focus on helping suicidal people instead of trying to just stop some specific type of suicide for some reason?

[QUOTE=King Tiger;39250153]I agree that this study will probably do good because it might do as you said; end the stupid video game debate. But it's still a ridiculous waste of money.[/QUOTE] really?? qualified government research that attempts to answer a very prominent question about violent crime in our country is a waste of money? jesus christ

[QUOTE=ducklingqt;39250109]Are you fucking...what. How do you get so fucking upset that you're losing an argument that you resort to something so underhanded and disgusting?[/QUOTE] He wasn't even arguing. He just sort of showed up and tried to zing him, sort of like what you just did.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;39250162]Trust me, that happened months ago. Look at my title.[/QUOTE] so use all the personal jabs you can get cause it'll help you? why don't you just not do that and argue like a fucking respectful person. is it that hard [editline]16th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Apache249;39250189]He wasn't even arguing. He just sort of showed up and tried to zing him, sort of like what you just did.[/QUOTE] no, not really

[QUOTE=King Tiger;39250173]Why does the type of suicide matter? Why not focus on helping suicidal people instead of trying to just stop some specific type of suicide for some reason?[/QUOTE] missing the point 101: oftentimes the act of suicide is similar to a crime of passion, in that unless someone has access to a gun or some other quick and acceptable means of killing themselves during a specific time period where they're willing to commit the act, they'll change their mind, get treatment, etc.. and end up not committing suicide. reducing access to firearms prevents suicide

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39250157]Well you can look at statistics too if you want, firearms are the most common method of suicide in both Canada and the United States but Canada has a lower rate of suicide by guns and overall[/QUOTE] That's still a pretty moot point though. I can assume if someone is really that depressed they are in the mood to kill themselves they are gonna do it one way or another. There's a reason hanging is the most popular suicide method (least I think it is)

[QUOTE=Haloscott3;39248635]Your Second Amendment is just an old piece of paper written during a time when weapons were still useful for daily life, stop using it as though it were a valid counter-argument.[/QUOTE] How is this outdated? Ideals do not expire. Also you do not understand the reason behind the amendment. [QUOTE]Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it. ---James Madison,The Federalist Papers, No. 46. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]When, against a regular and disciplined army, yeomanry are the only defence,--yeomanry, unskilful and unarmed,--what chance is there for preserving freedom? Give me leave to recur to the page of history, to warn you of your present danger. Recollect the history of most nations of the world. What havoc, desolation, and destruction, have been perpetrated by standing armies! An instance within the memory of some of this house will show us how our militia may be destroyed. Forty years ago, when the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually, by totally disusing and neglecting the militia. -George Mason 14 June 1788[/QUOTE] [URL="http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a1_8_12s27.html"]Source for the above.[/URL]

[QUOTE=Aman VII;39250205]That's still a pretty moot point though. I can assume if someone is really that depressed they are in the mood to kill themselves they are gonna do it one way or another. [B]There's a reason hanging is the most popular suicide method (least I think it is)[/B][/QUOTE] ok how about you go do some research then come back and join the discussion

[QUOTE=Aman VII;39250205]That's still a pretty moot point though. I can assume if someone is really that depressed they are in the mood to kill themselves they are gonna do it one way or another. There's a reason hanging is the most popular suicide method (least I think it is)[/QUOTE] Well honestly I think you're wrong here. Gun suicide is easiest. As a person who suffered severe depression and having been there, I know a gun would have saved my wrists some scars and killed me more efficiently, good thing I didn't have one at the time. I think that this is a common occurrence for at least more than a few people.

[QUOTE=Apache249;39250189]He wasn't even arguing. He just sort of showed up and tried to zing him, sort of like what you just did.[/QUOTE] I was arguing before, I went to go play some violent video games, and now I'm back.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39250157]Well you can look at statistics too if you want, firearms are the most common method of suicide in both Canada and the United States but Canada has a lower rate of suicide by guns and overall[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39250223]Well honestly I think you're wrong here. Gun suicide is easiest. As a person who suffered severe depression and having been there, I know a gun would have saved my wrists some scars and killed me more efficiently, good thing I didn't have one at the time. I think that this is a common occurrence for at least more than a few people.[/QUOTE] [quote=Stantscan][B]Hanging has been the most common method of suicide since 1992,[/B] but it is used less often at older ages. Over the 10-year period ending in 2009, an average of 55% of individuals aged 15 to 39 died as a result of hanging, compared with 30% of those aged 60 or older. Suicides involving a firearm, on the other hand, were more common at older ages. About 12% of people aged 15 to 39 used a firearm, compared with 26% of those aged 60 and older. [/quote] [url]www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/120725/dq120725a-eng.htm[/url] I don't have data for the US, but not for Canada.

[QUOTE=Ridge;39249458]That's not how Facepunch works. It's expected of it's members to make blind generalizations about other countries they've never visited regarding things we have no concept of back home.[/QUOTE] Not sure if passive-aggressive because I've been guilty of doing the same thing in the past, if not I apologise.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39250197]missing the point 101: oftentimes the act of suicide is similar to a crime of passion, in that unless someone has access to a gun or some other quick and acceptable means of killing themselves during a specific time period where they're willing to commit the act, they'll change their mind, get treatment, etc.. and end up not committing suicide. reducing access to firearms prevents suicide[/QUOTE] You make a good point. My only response is that it is still a much better ideal to stop the urge to kill yourself (through counseling and higher mental health awareness) rather than try to stop one specific type of suicide.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;39250240]You make a good point. My only response is that it is still a much better ideal to stop the urge to kill yourself (through counseling and higher mental health awareness) rather than try to stop one specific type of suicide.[/QUOTE] or we could do both

[QUOTE=ducklingqt;39250227]I was arguing before, I went to go play some violent video games, and now I'm back.[/QUOTE] Ah you're an alt too I see