Obama calls for assault weapons ban, background checks. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39250197]missing the point 101: oftentimes the act of suicide is similar to a crime of passion, in that unless someone has access to a gun or some other quick and acceptable means of killing themselves during a specific time period where they're willing to commit the act, they'll change their mind, get treatment, etc.. and end up not committing suicide. reducing access to firearms prevents suicide[/QUOTE] from what I've seen, suicide is very rarely a crime of passion. 9 times out of 10 it seems to be a long and deliberated thing that the person has considered doing for years before trying it and it's not like you can't just as quickly and easily do the damage with a razor blade or a toaster anyway of course, that's just anecdotal, and I'm not an authority on suicide or anything

[quote]A study of 20,851 suicides in Quebec from 1990 to 2005 found that hanging, strangulation and suffocation were the principal causes of death (males, age-adjusted rate of 15.6 per 100,000; females, 3.6), followed by poisoning (males: 5.7; females: 2.9)[/quote] [editline]17th January 2013[/editline] I thought hanging being a popular suicide choice was pretty common knowledge

[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;39250267]from what I've seen, suicide is very rarely a crime of passion. 9 times out of 10 it seems to be a long and deliberated thing that the person has considered doing for years before trying it and it's not like you can't just as quickly and easily do the damage with a razor blade or a toaster anyway[/QUOTE] hmm I've never heard of anyone toasting themselves to death

[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;39250267]from what I've seen, suicide is very rarely a crime of passion. 9 times out of 10 it seems to be a long and deliberated thing that the person has considered doing for years before trying it and it's not like you can't just as quickly and easily do the damage with a razor blade or a toaster anyway[/QUOTE] the difference being that razorblades and death by toaster are far more painful and drawn out than just shooting yourself and being dead with the pull of a trigger

[QUOTE=Apache249;39250284]hmm I've never heard of anyone toasting themselves to death[/QUOTE] You've never heard of dropping a toaster in a bathtub to electrocute yourself? I don't know if this actually works, but it's popular in the media.

[QUOTE=Apache249;39250257]Ah you're an alt too I see[/QUOTE] Well...obviously, but not maliciously made or with the intent of beating anyone up on a gun debate. I'm not even against you, why you imply I am.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;39250230][url]www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/120725/dq120725a-eng.htm[/url] I don't have data for the US, but not for Canada.[/QUOTE] Yeah, looks like you're right, guns were the most common in the 80s and early 90s but not anymore. [url=http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states]Guns are the most common method in the US though[/url]. (38,285 suicides total, 19,766 (52%) by gun) This kind of helps my point though

And regardless of people killing themselves with firearms or not, I don't like the idea of legislation to protect people from themselves who haven't even attempted the deed yet to begin with.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;39250230][url]www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/120725/dq120725a-eng.htm[/url] I don't have data for the US, but not for Canada.[/QUOTE] I'm not speaking of most common, just easiest. which, guns still really are the easiest, quickest method.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;39250323]And regardless of people killing themselves with firearms or not, I don't like the idea of legislation to protect people from themselves who haven't even attempted the deed yet to begin with.[/QUOTE] Are you against crime prevention measures?

[QUOTE=MazerRackham;39250164]Unless someone sleeps with his responsible, knowledgable wife.[/QUOTE] Well if he used his gun against either person, that wouldn't be very responsible, would it?

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39250197]missing the point 101: oftentimes the act of suicide is similar to a crime of passion, in that unless someone has access to a gun or some other quick and acceptable means of killing themselves during a specific time period where they're willing to commit the act, they'll change their mind, get treatment, etc.. and end up not committing suicide. reducing access to firearms prevents suicide[/QUOTE] Pills are a very common way of committing suicide. The guns the government are currently after aren't used for suicide often. Think about it. A handgun is much easier to do it with and usually costs less.

[QUOTE=Apache249;39250284]hmm I've never heard of anyone toasting themselves to death[/QUOTE] toaster+bathtub, it's the suicide you've seen in nearly every movie or tv show that depicted suicide.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39250197]missing the point 101: oftentimes the act of suicide is similar to a crime of passion, in that unless someone has access to a gun or some other quick and acceptable means of killing themselves during a specific time period where they're willing to commit the act, they'll change their mind, get treatment, etc.. and end up not committing suicide. reducing access to firearms prevents suicide[/QUOTE] Something accessible, like a knife, or a major roadway nearby?

guns are the most common way to commit suicide among males among females, its poisoning. huh overall 50% of suicides are by firearms.

[quote]In 1994, there were a total of 3,749 suicides in Canada and of these, 26% (973) involved firearms.[/quote] [quote] In 2009 total of 3,890 suicides [/quote] in 2009 there were less guns used but how does that make a difference when people are still killing themselves regardless.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39250085]please stop saying this its childish and meaningless and there's absolutely no reason to say it ever at all background checks sound great but the assault weapons ban is dumb[/QUOTE] Sorry, I'm just getting sick and tired of how they are treating the wrong weapon[by statistics at least] and not fully-delving into the true problems. I won't make the comment anymore.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39250333]Are you against crime prevention measures?[/QUOTE] Uh in the specific case of restricting guns to try and stop people from killing themselves with them, yes. I think it's a non issue.

[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;39250337]toaster+bathtub, it's the suicide you've seen in nearly every movie or tv show that depicted suicide.[/QUOTE] Circuit breakers have put an end to that in most cases.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39250325]I'm not speaking of most common, just easiest. which, guns still really are the easiest, quickest method.[/QUOTE] There is a financial barrier(and potentially others) to obtaining them though so it isn't the easiest.

[QUOTE=Ridge;39250343]Something accessible, like a knife, or a major roadway nearby?[/QUOTE] what

[QUOTE=Ridge;39250359]Circuit breakers have put an end to that in most cases.[/QUOTE] that's not the point, it's just as easy to kill yourself with other things than guns.

[QUOTE=futahorse;39250364]There is a financial barrier(and potentially others) to obtaining them though so it isn't the easiest.[/QUOTE] not the point...? not even close to being the point. [editline]16th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=ButtsexV3;39250376]that's not the point, it's just as easy to kill yourself with other things than guns.[/QUOTE] how do you know

[QUOTE=Aman VII;39250349]in 2009 there were less guns used but how does that make a difference when people are still killing themselves regardless.[/QUOTE] Well in 1994 Canada had a population of 28,997,000 - the suicide rate would have been 12 per 1000 people 2009 the population was 33,894,000 - suicide rate 11 per 1000

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39250368]what[/QUOTE] You know. [video=youtube;fARbgmGbmJw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fARbgmGbmJw[/video]

I don't get how people killing themselves is an argument for gun control. That is more an argument for healthcare/mental health since its just trying to restrict a symptom (specifically suicide by firearm) rather than the cause whatever that issue may be

[QUOTE=Aman VII;39250416]I don't get how people killing themselves is an argument for gun control. That is more an argument for healthcare/mental health since its just trying to restrict a symptom (specifically suicide by firearm) rather than the cause whatever that issue may be[/QUOTE] i don't really think there is much of one. it's just a reason to have proper storage laws and what not though.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39250406]Well in 1994 Canada had a population of 28,997,000 - the suicide rate would have been 12 per 1000 people 2009 the population was 33,894,000 - suicide rate 11 per 1000[/QUOTE] So suicide rate has been pretty much the same, give or take a few which is just chance. I don't think that 1 per 1000 reduction has anything to do with firearms

[QUOTE=Ridge;39250414]You know. [video=youtube;fARbgmGbmJw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fARbgmGbmJw[/video][/QUOTE] if you're trying to imply people would rather throw themselves into oncoming traffic than shoot themselves and be over with it i have to disagree and i think literally everyone else with any basic understanding of suicide would also disagree so

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39250421]i don't really think there is much of one. it's just a reason to have proper storage laws and what not though.[/QUOTE] storage laws are a bullshit slippery slope that sound good in theory to some people but they just get legal owners angry and create paper criminals out of nothing. I think storage should be a personal responsibility (that often you should follow), not an enforced law.