Obama calls for assault weapons ban, background checks. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Aman VII;39250433]storage laws are a bullshit slippery slope that sound good in theory to some people but they just get legal owners angry and create paper criminals out of nothing. I think storage should be a personal responsibility (that often you should follow), not an enforced law.[/QUOTE] i think suicidal teens and unaware toddlers shooting themselves with daddys gun is a lot more important than daddy being able to complacently put his loaded pistol on the kitchen table

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39250308]Yeah, looks like you're right, guns were the most common in the 80s and early 90s but not anymore. [url=http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states]Guns are the most common method in the US though[/url]. (38,285 suicides total, 19,766 (52%) by gun) This kind of helps my point though[/QUOTE] Given that [url=http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/82-624-x/2012001/article/chart/11696-02-chart1-eng.htm]suicide rates have risen and fallen since the 1950s to about equivalent levels[/url], and that [url=http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/hlth66a-eng.htm]the number of suicides over a 5-year period rose[/url] in Canada, it seems that just as many people are killing themselves here, regardless of what method they use. I can't help but gather from this data that suicides that would have been committed with firearms get committed by other means instead, and that gun control overall has little effect on suicide rates.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;39250433]storage laws are a bullshit slippery slope that sound good in theory to some people but they just get legal owners angry and create paper criminals out of nothing. I think storage should be a personal responsibility (that often you should follow), not an enforced law.[/QUOTE] i hear this from people but I think improperly stored fire arms are a concern for the owners and other people around them. i don't know if it should be a crime to disobey, but it shouldn't be lax.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39250426]if you're trying to imply people would rather throw themselves into oncoming traffic than shoot themselves and be over with it i have to disagree and i think literally everyone else with any basic understanding of suicide would also disagree so[/QUOTE] when you are in that state of mind you really don't give a fuck. Things you wouldn't normally do become no big deal you're kind of in a odd trance, i.e. strangling yourself [editline]17th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Kopimi;39250446]i think suicidal teens and unaware toddlers shooting themselves with daddys gun is a lot more important than daddy being able to complacently put his loaded pistol on the kitchen table[/QUOTE] I think it's daddy's responsibility, you know, as a [I]father[/I] to be responsible with his firearms around his children. Not the government telling him along with all other owners to do so.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;39250450]when you are in that state of mind you really don't give a fuck. Things you wouldn't normally do become no big deal you're kind of in a odd trance, i.e. strangling yourself[/QUOTE] oh ok i guess i'll take your word for it then and ignore plenty of documented cases of people being deterred from committing suicide because of lack of access to what they consider an "easy way out" like a firearm [editline]17th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Aman VII;39250450]I think it's daddy's responsibility, you know, as a [I]father[/I] to be responsible with his firearms around his children. Not the government telling him along with all other owners to do so.[/QUOTE] is it also daddys responsibility, not the governments, to make sure he doesnt beat his kids every night?

[QUOTE=ducklingqt;39250307]Well...obviously, but not maliciously made or with the intent of beating anyone up on a gun debate. I'm not even against you, why you imply I am.[/QUOTE] Right, just happen to register the same day as a major gun control thread popping up, and have about half your posts in it... Also, for the record, my FP ideology is not influenced by your political sympathy.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39250468]oh ok i guess i'll take your word for it then and ignore plenty of documented cases of people being deterred from committing suicide because of lack of access to what they consider an "easy way out" like a firearm [editline]17th January 2013[/editline] is it also daddys responsibility, not the governments, to make sure he doesnt beat his kids every night?[/QUOTE] so what exactly are you arguing for? What do you want implemented into law? [editline]17th January 2013[/editline] also talk about a stretch on your last statement

[QUOTE=Aman VII;39250479]so what exactly are you arguing for? What do you want implemented into law?[/QUOTE] keep ur guns in a safe and dont keep them loaded how is it a stretch? they're both massively irresponsible practices that endanger the well being (and lives) of everyone in the household. where is the stretch?

[QUOTE=TheSporeGA;39242075]Ow my second admendment[/QUOTE] An amendment nobody else has, or should have. It should be taken away from you. What applied to the constitution back then, during a civil war, does not apply now.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39250446]i think suicidal teens and unaware toddlers shooting themselves with daddys gun is a lot more important than daddy being able to complacently put his loaded pistol on the kitchen table[/QUOTE] How about when daddy gets locked up for 5 years because he left his unloaded hunting rifle on his workbench after coming back from a deer hunt and isn't able to be there for his children for half a decade? Because that's the kind of scenario Canada's storage laws create.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39250487]keep ur guns in a safe and dont keep them loaded how is it a stretch? they're both massively irresponsible practices that endanger the well being (and lives) of everyone in the household. where is the stretch?[/QUOTE] When I said stretch I meant you somehow equating the government concerning itself with how you store your private property to someone beating a child

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39250388]not the point...? not even close to being the point. [editline]16th January 2013[/editline] how do you know[/QUOTE] plugging in a toaster and dropping it in the tub can't be that hard

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39250487]keep ur guns in a safe and dont keep them loaded[/QUOTE] That's already law here in Illinois, I don't see the problem with it, honestly.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;39250506]An amendment nobody else has, or should have. It should be taken away from you. What applied to the constitution back then, during a civil war, does not apply now.[/QUOTE] bahahahah oh man I nominate this post for one of the best anti gun posts on FP in a while. There's been some good ones, this one might take the cake

[QUOTE=Rusty100;39250506]An amendment nobody else has, or should have. It should be taken away from you.[/QUOTE] Great argument man

[QUOTE=Rusty100;39250506]An amendment nobody else has, or should have. It should be taken away from you. What applied to the constitution back then, during a civil war, does not apply now.[/QUOTE] piss off

[QUOTE=Rusty100;39250506]An amendment nobody else has, or should have. It should be taken away from you. What applied to the constitution back then, during a civil war, does not apply now.[/QUOTE] what

[QUOTE=Aman VII;39250531]bahahahah oh man I nominate this post for one of the best anti gun posts on FP in a while. There's been some good ones, this one might take the cake[/QUOTE] Ignore him, he has no point in arguing about this. He has a history of blowing other people's opinions off because he doesn't want to listen to them.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39250487]keep ur guns in a safe and dont keep them loaded how is it a stretch? they're both massively irresponsible practices that endanger the well being (and lives) of everyone in the household. where is the stretch?[/QUOTE] Kopimi, you and I have disagreed a lot in the past, but I agree fully with this. It's not really an enforceable law (unless you like violating the 4th amendment), but if it isn't part of Obama's safety awareness campaign I'll be raising my eyebrows as to exactly what he wanted to accomplish. Hell, it's already endorsed by basically everyone who advocates firearm safety.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;39250506]An amendment nobody else has, or should have. It should be taken away from you. What applied to the constitution back then, during a civil war, does not apply now.[/QUOTE] This is the epitome of ignorance.

I got a genius idea. Make it mandatory to file a reason for owning the gun. If you only put 'self defense', the sale will be automatically denied. However, legitimate main purposes like 'hunting' or 'target practice' will be allowed. [I]Lots[/I] of people who own guns, especially these idiotic NRA types, are all about ~~ defending their castle against the brown hordes ~~ or whatever, and they are a danger to society. Sales of guns outside of lawfully registered gun stores will be ruthlessly prosecuted, because seriously, fuck those kinds of people, they make other people who like guns (like myself) look like childish retards.

[QUOTE=DarkendSky;39250582]I got a genius idea. Make it mandatory to file a reason for owning the gun. If you only put 'self defense', the sale will be automatically denied. However, legitimate main purposes like 'hunting' or 'target practice' will be allowed. [I]Lots[/I] of people who own guns, especially these idiotic NRA types, are all about ~~ defending their castle against the brown hordes ~~ or whatever, and they are a danger to society. Sales of guns outside of lawfully registered gun stores will be ruthlessly prosecuted, because seriously, fuck those kinds of people, they make other people who like guns (like myself) look like childish retards.[/QUOTE] what's wrong with owning a gun for self defense? do you want people to not be able to defend themselves?

[QUOTE=Aman VII;39250520]When I said stretch I meant you somehow equating the government concerning itself with how you store your private property to someone beating a child[/QUOTE] sorry let me make this a bit more clear for you: what i'm saying is that pretending it's none of the governments business to ensure guns aren't laying around the household for children to shoot themselves and possibly others with is stupid, the government is definitely involved in the well being of families and households, as evidenced by the fact that it's illegal to abuse your children or spouse [QUOTE=DaCommie1;39250517]How about when daddy gets locked up for 5 years because he left his unloaded hunting rifle on his workbench after coming back from a deer hunt and isn't able to be there for his children for half a decade? Because that's the kind of scenario Canada's storage laws create.[/QUOTE] maybe don't leave your hunting rifle out then [QUOTE=ButtsexV3;39250524]plugging in a toaster and dropping it in the tub can't be that hard[/QUOTE] no but i imagine its a bit less pleasant than pulling a trigger and being done with it [QUOTE=Aman VII;39250531]bahahahah oh man I nominate this post for one of the best anti gun posts on FP in a while. There's been some good ones, this one might take the cake[/QUOTE] haha yeah what a dumbass everyone knows a document written hundreds of years ago by slave owning revolutionaries in a time before modern civilization is infallible and unquestionably true in all regards (except for the fact that they forgot to give women and black people basic rights (and all the other shit we had to put in amendments for))

[QUOTE=DarkendSky;39250582]I got a genius idea. Make it mandatory to file a reason for owning the gun. If you only put 'self defense', the sale will be automatically denied. However, legitimate main purposes like 'hunting' or 'target practice' will be allowed. [I]Lots[/I] of people who own guns, especially these idiotic NRA types, are all about ~~ defending their castle against the brown hordes ~~ or whatever, and they are a danger to society. Sales of guns outside of lawfully registered gun stores will be ruthlessly prosecuted, because seriously, fuck those kinds of people, they make other people who like guns (like myself) look like childish retards.[/QUOTE] [I]You[/I] make yourself look like a childish retard

[QUOTE=DarkendSky;39250582] If you only put 'self defense', the sale will be automatically denied.[/QUOTE] That's the most idiotic idea I've heard. What if someone lives in a seriously bad neighborhood, where the police response times are bad? What do you expect them to do?

[QUOTE=Rusty100;39250506]An amendment nobody else has, or should have. It should be taken away from you. What applied to the constitution back then, during a civil war, does not apply now.[/QUOTE] when we want a middle class teenager from australia's opinion we'll ask for it (we won't)

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39250596]sorry let me make this a bit more clear for you: what i'm saying is that pretending it's none of the governments business to ensure guns aren't laying around the household for children to shoot themselves and possibly others with is stupid, the government is definitely involved in the well being of families and households, as evidenced by the fact that it's illegal to abuse your children or spouse [/QUOTE] ok well we agree to disagree then? Cause I think it's an invasion of privacy [editline]17th January 2013[/editline] inb4 you say "hurr then I guess its an invasion of privacy if I murder my children" or something equally stupid. There's a difference and if you can't see it try harder.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39250596] haha yeah what a dumbass everyone knows a document written hundreds of years ago by slave owning revolutionaries in a time before modern civilization is infallible and unquestionably true in all regards (except for the fact that they forgot to give women and black people basic rights (and all the other shit we had to put in amendments for))[/QUOTE] Why is this the only argument that is brought against the second amendment. It has no grounds whatsoever.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39250596]no but i imagine its a bit less pleasant than pulling a trigger and being done with it[/QUOTE] death by gunshot still isn't a quick and painless death

[QUOTE=Aman VII;39250608]ok well we agree to disagree then? Cause I think it's an invasion of privacy[/QUOTE] i dont think you understand how that law is supposed to work.. the police dont knock on your door every week and go "hey we're here to inspect your guns open up or we'll arrest you", after someone kills themselves or someone else with your weapon they investigate to see if you left it sitting out, if you did, you get in trouble. its a retroactive attempt at deterring future offenders [editline]17th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39250616]Why is this the only argument that is brought against the second amendment. It has no grounds whatsoever.[/QUOTE] there are tons of other arguments brought against the 2nd ammendment, see: everything anyone anti gun has ever said about guns in america ever