Obama calls for assault weapons ban, background checks. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39250421]i don't really think there is much of one. it's just a reason to have proper storage laws and what not though.[/QUOTE] So if I decide to kill myself the storage laws will stop me? I would like to see reliable statistics about suicides using other's guns.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;39250791]That's actually a problem with the ambiguity of storage laws, the crown was attempting to assert that the vague wording of the law meant the person must have their ammo locked up too, and the police can get a warrant to search an individual's house to check if they're in compliance with storage laws based solely off hearsay. Not to mention I've heard multiple stories of people in Ontario who have had their guns stolen from out of their safes/cabinets being charged with unsafe storage because the criminals managed to get into the safe, so by the logic of the cops it wasn't "safe enough", despite the fact that by Canadian storage laws, a gun doesn't even technically need to be in a safe, merely rendered inoperable and stored separate from ammo.[/QUOTE] then i think the issue should be making sure that any future legislation being proposed should be well thought out and handle the specifics of a situation, rather than the idea of a storage law itself

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39250812]i don't regularly fantasize about how i would maim and kill a stranger if he entered my home for reasons unknown so sorry if this sounds a bit like i came up with it on the spot:[/QUOTE] strawman, but what can you expect from anti-gunners heh [quote]i'd get my gun out of my safe, point it at him and announce i have a gun and he has to leave and if he doesn't leave shoot him (not even remotely proud of that btw) [/quote] "I've never trained to do ____, but I can do ____ under fear of my life with no problem, you should be stupid and do what I do!"

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39250812]i don't regularly fantasize about how i would maim and kill a stranger if he entered my home for reasons unknown so sorry if this sounds a bit like i came up with it on the spot: i'd get my gun out of my safe, point it at him and announce i have a gun and he has to leave and if he doesn't leave shoot him (not even remotely proud of that btw)[/QUOTE] What kind of safe and where? Some take an eternity to unlock. The [URL="http://www.gunvault.com/gun-safes/microvault.html/"]hand password ones[/URL] are much faster though.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39250820]then i think the issue should be making sure that any future legislation being proposed should be well thought out and handle the specifics of a situation, rather than the idea of a storage law itself[/QUOTE] This is the problem, politicians didn't want people owning guns in Canada when they drafted the laws, and specifically designed all the firearms laws in Canada to fabricate as many paper crimes and onerous restrictions, with as much ambiguity as possible, so that if they couldn't discourage people from getting guns though paperwork, they could charge them with some bullshit offence later and take the guns away. You can be arrested for not having 2 extra pieces of paper with you, as well as your gun license, if you're in a car with a handgun. You can also be charged if the gun is not trigger locked AND locked in an opaque case. I can agree, future legislation should be well thought out, however there's no guarantee of future legislation being passed.

Honestly there should be a national campaign for gun safety, like the gov't did for seatbelts or smoking. Especially for safe storage of guns.

[QUOTE=Disotrtion;39250858]Honestly there should be a national campaign for gun safety, like the gov't did for seatbelts or smoking. Especially for safe storage of guns.[/QUOTE] I have no problem with this, at all. But forcing people to do it via legal means is pants-on-head retarded.

maybe instead of storage laws we can try telling our kids that bullets come out of one end and you should try not to point that part at your face

[QUOTE=Disotrtion;39250858]Honestly there should be a national campaign for gun safety, like the gov't did for seatbelts or smoking. Especially for safe storage of guns.[/QUOTE] Since when is the government the moral authority? Private advocacy groups, not the federal government, can use speech to persuade people to act a certain way. The NRA already has a long-running national safety campaign.

It actually is on Obama's list of executive orders, [QUOTE]7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Craig Willmore;39250845]strawman, but what can you expect from anti-gunners heh "I've never trained to do ____, but I can do ____ under fear of my life with no problem, you should be stupid and do what I do!"[/QUOTE] i dont think you understand what a strawman is [editline]17th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=futahorse;39250913]Since when is the government the moral authority? Private advocacy groups, not the federal government, can use speech to persuade people to act a certain way. The NRA already has a long-running national safety campaign.[/QUOTE] why are you so averse to the idea of the government running a gun safety campaign? [QUOTE=ButtsexV3;39250910]maybe instead of storage laws we can try telling our kids that bullets come out of one end and you should try not to point that part at your face[/QUOTE] unfortunately you can't rely on everyone in america to be responsible without any repercussions for their actions. it's like saying instead of making murder illegal we should just teach people murder is bad and why they shouldn't do it. at some point you have to take legal action

[QUOTE=Disotrtion;39250858]Honestly there should be a national campaign for gun safety, like the gov't did for seatbelts or smoking. Especially for safe storage of guns.[/QUOTE] Kinda like what the NRA has done for over 100 years...

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39250917]i dont think you understand what a strawman is [editline]17th January 2013[/editline] why are you so averse to the idea of the government running a gun safety campaign? unfortunately you can't rely on everyone in america to be responsible without any repercussions for their actions. it's like saying instead of making murder illegal we should just teach people murder is bad and why they shouldn't do it. at some point you have to take legal action[/QUOTE] tbh I don't think more people would be murderers if murder was legal

[QUOTE=Ridge;39250942]Kinda like what the NRA has done for over 100 years...[/QUOTE] more the merrier.

[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;39250963]tbh I don't think more people would be murderers if murder was legal[/QUOTE] truly putting too much faith in humanity

[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;39250963]tbh I don't think more people would be murderers if murder was legal[/QUOTE] do you really believe that or are you just really committed to making your point about not putting guns in safes

I'm always entertained how people refer to a firearms as a killing machine or along those lines, when in the hands of a responsible person using it to take a life is probably the last choice any conscious person would make. I know of plenty people who have had to use it merely as a detterant and could have saved them or their family from harm. If you take guns out of the picture, people looking to hurt others will always find a way. Take the news stories from china a few months back for example where guns aren't an issue. Madmen storming kindergartens with kitchen knives like on a monthly basis.

[video=youtube;dhXOuuHcjbs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhXOuuHcjbs[/video]

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39250917] why are you so averse to the idea of the government running a gun safety campaign? [/QUOTE] Yes. The government is not a moral authority.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39250979]do you really believe that or are you just really committed to making your point about not putting guns in safes[/QUOTE] would you kill people if murder was legal? I sure wouldn't.

[QUOTE=futahorse;39251011]Yes. The government is not a moral authority.[/QUOTE] so gun safety and education is moral authority what

[QUOTE=Ridge;39250942]Kinda like what the NRA has done for over 100 years...[/QUOTE] You kind of have to keep teaching new people safety. Safety programs do not guarantee profound results. Have you seen their gun safety videos and pamphlets? They showed two gun safety videos for my concealed carry class. I thought they were excessively safe.

[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;39251012]would you kill people if murder was legal? I sure wouldn't.[/QUOTE] that's not the right way to think when asking that question

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39251025]that's not the right way to think when asking that question[/QUOTE] enlighten me

[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;39251040]enlighten me[/QUOTE] you're applying it to yourself and saying you're everyone when you say "I wouldn't, no one would" that's fucking self evident.

[QUOTE=futahorse;39251020]Have you seen their gun safety videos and pamphlets? They showed two gun safety videos for my concealed carry class. I thought they were excessively safe.[/QUOTE] the issue isn't that gun owners aren't properly educated about guns, it's that people who are surrounded by guns aren't. a child who grows up in a house where his father owns guns doesn't know anything about guns unless his father decides to educate him. the point of public firearm safety education is to reach people like that, who are surrounded by guns, who have access to them, but have never been formally educated about them because they never took a concealed carry class.

[QUOTE=futahorse;39251011]Yes. The government is not a moral authority.[/QUOTE] I'm concerned with the government using such a campaign to push a political message, notably in this case the AWB, but I have no issue with the government putting out a safety campaign about firearms as long as it only covers the safe storage and handling of firearms. It's like the governments putting out anti-bullying campaigns and anti-drunk driving campaigns. Again, though, I'm concerned such a campaign would be used for either further fear-mongering or to push a political platform.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39251018]so gun safety and education is moral authority what[/QUOTE] What are you talking about? I am saying the government does not have the authority to tell its citizens how to live their lives beyond protecting the rights of the people given in the constitution.

[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;39251012]would you kill people if murder was legal? I sure wouldn't.[/QUOTE] no but i think there have been plenty of scenarios where someone thought "i could shoot my wife right now but i don't want to spend the next 20 years of my life in prison" tbh i'm legitimately disappointed that we even have to have this conversation

[QUOTE=futahorse;39251054]What are you talking about? I am saying the government does not have the authority to tell its citizens how to live their lives beyond protecting the rights of the people given in the constitution.[/QUOTE] Amen, but sadly there are those who want / do not mind the government being involved in every aspect of their life 24/7.