Obama calls for assault weapons ban, background checks. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;39251253]you're talking like I'm actually saying murder should be legal rather than responding to an idiotic comment from another poster[/QUOTE] you're the one who offered up the hypothetical then used horrible reasoning to defend it and a further stupider point.

[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;39251253]you're talking like I'm actually saying murder should be legal rather than responding to an idiotic comment from another poster[/QUOTE] i've been so nice to you and you're saying my comment was idiotic even after all this ridiculous arguing about how people wouldn't commit murder out of the kindness of their hearts even if it were legal lmfao come on man

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39251396]i've been so nice to you and you're saying my comment was idiotic even after all this ridiculous arguing about how people wouldn't commit murder out of the kindness of their hearts even if it were legal lmfao come on man[/QUOTE] Would it be euthanasia without their consent? This situation comes to mind. [video=youtube;m1pKY8UE0mQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1pKY8UE0mQ[/video]

Fuck...

[QUOTE=futahorse;39251491]Would it be euthanasia without their consent? This situation comes to mind. [video=youtube;m1pKY8UE0mQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1pKY8UE0mQ[/video][/QUOTE] i don't understand what you're asking me please rephrase the question

[QUOTE=King Tiger;39250005]But people should be allowed to kill themselves if they want right? [B]You would know.[/B][/QUOTE] I cannot even [I]begin[/I] to explain to you how much of a grade-A asshole you are right now.

[QUOTE=Xeno92;39242285] Get a grip. They're weapons of destruction, murder, torture.[/QUOTE] But we won't be able to under this AWB Grips will be banned Silly citizen of whatever country you're from

[QUOTE=Apache249;39248647]Weapons are useful now. Stop trying to say that our rights have expired.[/QUOTE] Not that I'm disagreeing with you. But I haven't had or used a gun in my life, nor have most of the people in the country I live in. And we turned out perfectly fine. In what way are guns usefull.

[QUOTE=ItsMozy;39252415]Not that I'm disagreeing with you. But I haven't had or used a gun in my life[/QUOTE] There's your problem My dad used to be anti gun like you, but then he took a trip to the range to the knee Now he's a gun enthusiast and owns a small collection of firearms. The point is that, really you have to experience it to get it There's absolutely nothing to fear unless you break some of the safety rules, and contrary to popular belief you CANNOT be shot by an unloaded gun

[QUOTE=ItsMozy;39252415]Not that I'm disagreeing with you. But I haven't had or used a gun in my life, nor have most of the people in the country I live in. And we turned out perfectly fine. In what way are guns usefull.[/QUOTE] Hunting, collecting, self-defense, target shooting, competition, and to some extent, keeping the government in check because it's a lot easier to go tyrannical when your citizens are unarmed.

[QUOTE=BFG9000;39252455]There's your problem My dad used to be anti gun like you, but then he took a trip to the range to the knee Now he's a gun enthusiast and owns a small collection of firearms. The point is that, really you have to experience it to get it There's absolutely nothing to fear unless you break some of the safety rules, and contrary to popular belief you CANNOT be shot by an unloaded gun[/QUOTE] I'm not anti-gun. I was genuinely asking. [editline]17th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Apache249;39252459]Hunting, collecting, self-defense, target shooting, competition, and to some extent, [B]keeping the government in check because it's a lot easier to go tyrannical when your citizens are unarmed.[/B][/QUOTE] Last one made me chuckle a bit, I understand it's in the nature of the USA to have government afraid of it's people instead of V.V. but still. On the other points I agree with you, nothing wrong with sportshooting and hunting and shit, I also enjoy watching those sports. I gotta admit, I'm still a bit against having a gun in self-defence, mabye because I know the chance the people attacking me have a gun is smaller here than in the US. On the other side, at my gf's farm they keep guns for self-defence incase all hell breaks loose and people will try to still cattle. (her great-grandfather was the one that came up with that.)

[QUOTE=ItsMozy;39252472]I'm not anti-gun. I was genuinely asking.[/QUOTE] Ah, I see But yea, people shouldn't fear guns as long as the person behind the trigger is a responsible person There is just something so amusing to me about pulling a miniscule lever and making a small bit of lead fly out and make a "ping" sound 100 feet away in less than a second Its a hobby

[QUOTE=ItsMozy;39252472]On the other side, at my gf's farm they keep guns for self-defence incase all hell breaks loose and people will try to still cattle. (her great-grandfather was the one that came up with that.)[/QUOTE] Ah, I forgot one: tradition. :smile:

[QUOTE=BFG9000;39252455]There's your problem My dad used to be anti gun like you, but then he took a trip to the range to the knee Now he's a gun enthusiast and owns a small collection of firearms. The point is that, really you have to experience it to get it There's absolutely nothing to fear unless you break some of the safety rules, and contrary to popular belief you CANNOT be shot by an unloaded gun[/QUOTE] I've been skeet shooting multiple times and can safely say it hasn't changed my opinion on guns. They're fun and useful. Great, lots of things are fun and useful. That doesn't exempt them from discussion on whether or not they should have stricter requirements to possess, or from possible restriction

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39252556]I've been skeet shooting multiple times and can safely say it hasn't changed my opinion on guns. They're fun and useful. Great, lots of things are fun and useful. That doesn't exempt them from discussion on whether or not they should have stricter requirements to possess, or from possible restriction[/QUOTE] skeet shooting isn't fun, you should try taking a semi-auto rifle out for a spin instead

[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;39252575]skeet shooting isn't fun, you should try taking a semi-auto rifle out for a spin instead[/QUOTE] Pull the trigger, gun goes boom, thing you were pointing at goes PAF I got the idea

[QUOTE=Ekalektik_1;39243858]If I recall correctly there have been two crimes committed since the ban, and one of them was committed by a police officer.[/QUOTE] you think police officers carry machine guns...... yeah, I remember just the other day a guy had a parking ticket so the cops lit up his house with an M249. you have no idea what you're talking about, silence. [editline]17th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;39243875]Correction: Since the enactment of the National Firearms Act of 1934, theirs only been two murders committed with legal full-automatic firearms. One of which was committed by a Police Officer with a MAC-10.[/QUOTE] maching gun doesn't mean ''full auto''. it means machine gun. the MAC-10 is a hybrid between a machine pistol and a sub-machine gun. [editline]17th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39243890]yeah thats not true at all. Theres been 2 crimes committed with [b]registered[/b] and legal firearms, and IIRC they were both police officers.[/QUOTE] aaaaand the third guy in a row who doesn't even vaguely understand what a machine gun is.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;39253970]you think police officers carry machine guns...... yeah, I remember just the other day a guy had a parking ticket so the cops lit up his house with an M249. you have no idea what you're talking about, silence. [editline]17th January 2013[/editline] maching gun doesn't mean ''full auto''. it means machine gun. the MAC-10 is a hybrid between a machine pistol and a sub-machine gun. [editline]17th January 2013[/editline] aaaaand the third guy in a row who doesn't even vaguely understand what a machine gun is.[/QUOTE] The NFA defines a machine gun as: [quote]"For the purposes of the National Firearms Act the term Machinegun means: - Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger - The frame or receiver of any such weapon - Any part designed and intended solely and exclusively or combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, or - Any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person."[/quote] and thus in the context of US law, anything full-auto is defined as a machine gun. [URL]http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/importation-verification/firearms-verification-nfa-machinegun.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=ItsMozy;39252472]I'm not anti-gun. I was genuinely asking. [editline]17th January 2013[/editline] Last one made me chuckle a bit, I understand it's in the nature of the USA to have government afraid of it's people instead of V.V. but still. On the other points I agree with you, nothing wrong with sportshooting and hunting and shit, I also enjoy watching those sports. I gotta admit, I'm still a bit against having a gun in self-defence, mabye because I know the chance the people attacking me have a gun is smaller here than in the US. On the other side, at my gf's farm they keep guns for self-defence incase all hell breaks loose and people will try to still cattle. (her great-grandfather was the one that came up with that.)[/QUOTE] An assailant doesn't need a firearm in order for you to. Please expand on your feeling toward owning firearms to fight tyranny. I don't quite understand.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39251084]thats fair, if the govt is using a public safety campaign full of shit like "stay away from M16s they are extra dangerous and ruthless and you should always be afraid of them" then i get where you're coming from. as long as the campaign is neutral and doesn't try to push an agenda i think its a good idea though[/QUOTE] I would absolutely [I]LOVE[/I] to see a campaign like that, I'd donate as much as I could to get it off the ground. However, bias in these sorts of things (both ways) could ruin it so easily.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;39253970]you think police officers carry machine guns...... yeah, I remember just the other day a guy had a parking ticket so the cops lit up his house with an M249. you have no idea what you're talking about, silence. [editline]17th January 2013[/editline] maching gun doesn't mean ''full auto''. it means machine gun. the MAC-10 is a hybrid between a machine pistol and a sub-machine gun. [editline]17th January 2013[/editline] aaaaand the third guy in a row who doesn't even vaguely understand what a machine gun is.[/QUOTE] Actually, they are right. [QUOTE]On September 15th, 1988, a 13-year veteran of the Dayton, Ohio police department, Patrolman Roger Waller, then 32, used his fully automatic MAC-11 .380 caliber submachine gun to kill a police informant, 52-year-old Lawrence Hileman. Patrolman Waller pleaded guilty in 1990, and he and an accomplice were sentenced to 18 years in prison.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Ridge;39254351]Actually, they are right. [url]http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html[/url][/QUOTE] I hereby declare you incapable of reading english. [editline]17th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Sgt Doom;39254045]The NFA defines a machine gun as: and thus in the context of US law, anything full-auto is defined as a machine gun. [URL]http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/importation-verification/firearms-verification-nfa-machinegun.html[/URL][/QUOTE] they also classify an M93R as a Rifle. [IMG]http://img.redwolfairsoft.com/upload/product/img/KSC4544416019349-1L.jpg[/IMG] that look like a rifle to you?

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;39254494]I hereby declare you incapable of reading english. [editline]17th January 2013[/editline] they also classify an M93R as a Rifle. [IMG]http://img.redwolfairsoft.com/upload/product/img/KSC4544416019349-1L.jpg[/IMG] that look like a rifle to you?[/QUOTE] Care to cite where they say that?

[QUOTE=download;39254550]Care to cite where they say that?[/QUOTE] an SBR in the united states is defined as any firearm with a stock and a rifled barrel between 9 and 16 inches. the m93 in the image doesn't have a stock because it was ordered without one, but since the default arrangement of the weapon comes with a folding stock they classify any M93R in the country as a short barreled rifle.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;39254652]an SBR in the united states is defined as any firearm with a stock and a rifled barrel between 9 and 16 inches. the m93 in the image doesn't have a stock because it was ordered without one, but since the default arrangement of the weapon comes with a folding stock they classify any M93R in the country as a short barreled rifle.[/QUOTE] An SBR is a firearm with a rifled barrel under 16 inches and a stock. However, if it's a machine gun, that supersedes SBR status. So no, it's not a rifle, it's a machine gun

[QUOTE=download;39254677]An SBR is a firearm with a rifled barrel under 16 inches and a stock. However, if it's a machine gun, that supersedes SBR status. So no, it's not a rifle, it's a machine gun[/QUOTE] in terms of the law, a machine gun is defined as any full auto weapon (this is very far from what the word actually means). since the M93R isn't at all capable of full auto fire, but rather semi-auto and burst, it's not classified as a machine gun under law, and it's certainly not classified as a machine gun under weapon class.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;39254705]in terms of the law, a machine gun is defined as any full auto weapon (this is very far from what the word actually means). since the M93R isn't at all capable of full auto fire, but rather semi-auto and burst, it's not classified as a machine gun under law, and it's certainly not classified as a machine gun under weapon class.[/QUOTE] [quote] - Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, [b]automatically more than one shot[/b] without manual reloading, by a [b]single function of the trigger[/b][/quote] Also goes for burst

[QUOTE=PaChIrA;39254718]Also goes for burst[/QUOTE] well the ATF doesn't seem to enforce it in this case. they strictly limit ownership of the M93R under the excuse that it's ''a short barreled rifle''. but regardless, look at it. it doesn't take a gun expert to see that it's neither a rifle nor a machine gun. the point being that the terminology they use is largely incorrect and illogical.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;39254764]well the ATF doesn't seem to enforce it in this case. they strictly limit ownership of the M93R under the excuse that it's ''a short barreled rifle''. but regardless, look at it. it doesn't take a gun expert to see that it's neither a rifle nor a machine gun. the point being that the terminology they use is largely incorrect and illogical.[/QUOTE] Without that SBR crap the M93R would still be illegal since it fires in burst

[QUOTE=PaChIrA;39254773]Without that SBR crap the M93R would still be illegal since it fires in burst[/QUOTE] I don't see how that's relevant at all. you can either agree or disagree with the point I'm making, which is that they very often use the wrong terms to legally classify weapons. you're actually helping prove my point, because now with the information you've added we know that they call it both a short barreled rifle AND a machine gun, and not only are these two completely different things but the M93R is neither of them. arguing that it would be illegal anyway bares no relevance to the topic.