Obama calls for assault weapons ban, background checks. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39242641]Lol, you seriously don't know what you're talking about. A beta C mag is used in an AR-15, they had illegally modified norinco AK clones. They were using 75-100 round chinese drums, and as I stated earlier they constantly jammed up and got one of the perpetrators killed. Another thing to note is that no police officers were killed in the incident, only the 2 suspects.[/QUOTE] They had a full-auto AR-15, that they modified. [quote]An inventory of the weapons used: An AR-15 converted to fire automatically with two 100-round Beta Magazines, a semiautomatic HK-91 rifle with several 30-round magazines, a Beretta 92FS Inox with several magazines, and three different AK-47 rifles converted to fire in fully automatic mode with several 75 to 100-round drum magazines, as well as 30 round box magazines. It is speculated that at least two of the AK-47s were later found to have been legally purchased by Phillips, and apparently converted by him as well using a bench drill to drill out the hole for the autosear pin (this allowed it to be fired in full auto).[/quote]

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;39242647]Because obviously you will be calm and adequate enough to do so in the middle of a shootout.[/QUOTE] Reloading is not hard to do, even in a massive adrenaline rush. You've never handled a gun in your life, have you?

"If there's even one life that can be saved, then we've got an obligation to try." This mentality, is what will help erode any liberties american citizens have left for the next 4 years. That excuse, along with hiding behind the graves of children (oldest trick in the book), can justify any executive action. Now its ammo count and assault weapons, next time a shooting happens that wont be enough and it will be confiscation. Then we will see moves towards restricting transportation even more for average citizens because of drunk drivers, restricting sugar beverages because of diabetes, etc. Give them an inch they (Dianne Feinstein, UN Security Council small arms disarmament taskforce) will take your life. Not to mention how almost nobody is even remotely worried that the president used executive action powers granted to him during war-time to enact legislation he knew the people would not pass, nice.

"calm and adequate"

[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39242582][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout[/url][/QUOTE] They didn't use any belt fed guns. They had Armor Piercing rounds and drum magazines.

[QUOTE=Looter;39242674]"If there's even one life that can be saved, then we've got an obligation to try." This mentality, is what will help erode any liberties american citizens have left for the next 4 years. That excuse, along with hiding behind the graves of children (oldest trick in the book), can justify any executive action. Now its ammo count and assault weapons, next time a shooting happens that wont be enough and it will be confiscation. Then we will see moves towards restricting transportation even more for average citizens because of drunk drivers, restricting sugar beverages because of diabetes, etc. Give them an inch they'll take your life. Not to mention how almost nobody is even remotely worried that the president used executive action powers granted to him during war-time to enact legislation he knew the people would not pass, nice.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;39242250]the executive orders 1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system. 2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system. 3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system. 4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks. 5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun. 6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers. 7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign. 8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission). 9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations. 10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement. 11. Nominate an ATF director. 12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations. 13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime. 14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence. 15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies 16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes. 17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities. 18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers. 19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education. 20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover. 21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges. 22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations. 23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health. The legislative moves sound good mainly, the awb and hi-cap bans are just a couple small pieces to a much more comprehensive push so even if they can't get through most will. I guess that's pretty ok actually. that's these Require criminal background checks for all gun sales. (a.k.a. closing the "gun show loophole.") Reinstate and strengthen the assault weapons ban. Restore the 10-round limit on ammunition magazines. Protect police by finishing the job of getting rid of armor-piercing bullets. Give law enforcement additional tools to prevent and prosecute gun crime. End the freeze on gun violence research. Make our schools safer with more school resource officers and school counselors, safer climates, and better emergency response plans. Help ensure that young people get the mental health treatment they need. Ensure health insurance plans cover mental health benefits.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=areolop;39242635]More than dozens. This shooting is the reason that cops have AR15's in their cars now. Criminals get more lethal weapons, cops get more lethal weapons.[/QUOTE] Don't forget, they were able to hold their ground because they were covered head to toe in kevlar, and 9mm 92F's that the police had wouldn't penetrate it all day long. One was shot about 30 times, another over 10.

[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39242665]They had a full-auto AR-15, that they modified.[/QUOTE] Illegally acquired.

[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39242665]They had a full-auto AR-15, that they modified.[/QUOTE] Well look at that, I never knew they had an AR with them, you got me there. But my point still stands. Because their wild spray and praying (and the fact that they were hyped up on drugs) they only wounded officers, never killed any, and their weapons jammed up like crazy because of the magazines.

[QUOTE=Apache249;39242672]Reloading is not hard to do, even in a massive adrenaline rush. You've never handled a gun in your life, have you?[/QUOTE] To be honest, never actually did, but knowing what can the said adrenaline rush you mentioned do to your body, you might not even make it in 10 seconds.

[QUOTE=Looter;39242674]This mentality, is what will help erode any liberties american citizens have left for the next 4 years. [/QUOTE] Remember kids any attempt at progressive governance is the government trying to steal your rights Also no mention of WHO is this supposed evil mastermind, but I see a "they" in there. Ignoring the fact that the US is a democratically elected government and so on and so forth

[QUOTE=Looter;39242674]"If there's even one life that can be saved, then we've got an obligation to try." This mentality, is what will help erode any liberties american citizens have left for the next 4 years. That excuse, along with hiding behind the graves of children (oldest trick in the book), can justify any executive action. Now its ammo count and assault weapons, next time a shooting happens that wont be enough and it will be confiscation. Then we will see moves towards restricting transportation even more for average citizens because of drunk drivers, restricting sugar beverages because of diabetes, etc. Give them an inch they'll take your life. Not to mention how almost nobody is even remotely worried that the president used executive action powers granted to him during war-time to enact legislation he knew the people would not pass, nice.[/QUOTE] whoa that slope is slippery

[QUOTE=Apache249;39242699]Illegally acquired.[/QUOTE] They legally purchased several of the weapons and modified them, including the AKs.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;39242690]Don't forget, they were able to hold their ground because they were covered head to toe in kevlar, and 9mm 92F's that the police had wouldn't penetrate it all day long. One was shot about 30 times, another over 10.[/QUOTE] I know, thats why cops now have AR15's in their cars. In that shoot-out they had to go borrow weapons from a gun store.. btw, a court took their weapons before, but then gave them back after they had appealed their case.

[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;39242688]They didn't use any belt fed guns. They had Armor Piercing rounds and drum magazines.[/QUOTE] Where does it say anywhere in that article that they had AP rounds?

[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39242712]They legally purchased several of the weapons and modified them, including the AKs.[/QUOTE] Illegally modified them. Everything about what they did and what they were doing was illegal.

I'm way late on that.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39242724]Illegally modified them. Everything about what they did and what they were doing was illegal.[/QUOTE] Illegally modified with items they bought legally. So why should the tools to modify the weapons be so easily acquired? Secondly, who the hell ever buys this much weaponry for a legit purpose: [quote]In October 1993, Phillips and Mătăsăreanu were arrested in Glendale, northeast of Los Angeles, California, for speeding.[10] A subsequent search of their vehicle—after Phillips surrendered with a concealed weapon—found two semi-automatic rifles, two handguns, more than 1,600 rounds of 7.62×39mm rifle ammunition, 1,200 rounds of 9×19mm Parabellum and .45 ACP handgun ammunition, radio scanners, smoke bombs, improvised explosive devices, body armor vests, and three different California license plates.[11] Initially charged with conspiracy to commit robbery,[12] both served 100 days in jail and were placed on three years' probation.[13] After their release, most of their seized property was returned to them.[14][/quote]

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;39242707]To be honest, never actually did, but knowing what can the said adrenaline rush you mentioned do to your body, you might not even make it in 10 seconds.[/QUOTE] What is stopping me from pressing the mag release and sticking another mag in the pistol grip? 10 seconds maybe if I was hand loading individual rounds.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;39242647]Because obviously you will be calm and adequate enough to do so in the middle of a shootout.[/QUOTE] Shootout? Who's going to shoot at me if I open up in the middle of a classroom full of unarmed children? Nobody. It doesn't matter if I have HiCap magazines for my pistols or not, I'd be free to do it until I decided to stop. Nothing will stop a bad guy with a gun except a good guy with a gun [b]period[/b] No amount of legislation or bannings is going to stop shootings, be it gang related or some mental fuckwit going on a spree. Addressing poverty, education, mental illness diagnosis, even some form of training for teachers on mental illness [b]might help[/b] prevent SOME, but not all. And it's far too late in this country to all out ban weapons, even if an impossible 80% of the country agreed to it and gave up their weapons

I illegally modified my legally bought phone in Verizon's eyes. Its going to happen. You cant stop that. Criminals dont play by the rules to begin with, why would they start now

[QUOTE=Apache249;39242721]Where does it say anywhere in that article that they had AP rounds?[/QUOTE] I remember watching a documentary on it a while back and they said they had AP rounds. I don't see that in the article, so I'm probably remembering incorrectly.

Everyone goes on about how handguns are so much worse than assault rifles. Then I guess there's only one solution to all this, ban hand guns but allow assault rifles.

[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39242750]Illegally modified with items they bought legally. So why should the tools to modify the weapons be so easily acquired? Secondly, who the hell ever buys this much weaponry for a legit purpose:[/QUOTE] The issue here is that they were given back their illegal firearms after they were released.

you guys are just overreacting people obviously don't need ar-15 for killing deer. calm down people obama knows better

[QUOTE=Zeneros;39242767]Everyone goes on about how handguns are so much worse than assault rifles. Then I guess there's only one solution to all this, ban hand guns but allow assault rifles.[/QUOTE] Banning things doesn't magically fix the problem. It didn't work for prohibition and it won't work now.

Ok this is silly. Look at the details here, each individual legislative goal of his is separate from each other. Many of which should be helpful and can pass with bipartisan approval, the only thing that will be disputed is the awb and the hi-cap ban. They're most likely dead on arrival in the House, but other than that he's got a great plan here. He's shown that he can be effective without an obstructionist Congress, and now that he's hit the second term he can say fuck you to them and get stuff done.

[QUOTE=Zeneros;39242767]Everyone goes on about how handguns are so much worse than assault rifles. Then I guess there's only one solution to all this, ban hand guns but allow assault rifles.[/QUOTE] Assault rifles are already banned. [editline]yers[/editline] And it's not about effectiveness. It's about commonality.

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;39242788]Ok this is silly. Look at the details here, each individual legislative goal of his is separate from each other. Many of which should be helpful and can pass with bipartisan approval, the only thing that will be disputed is the awb and the hi-cap ban. They're most likely dead on arrival in the House, but other than that he's got a great plan here.[/QUOTE] You STOP with that LOGIC and REASON

The executive orders aren't that bad. It's the AWB that is the problem.