Obama calls for assault weapons ban, background checks. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=GunFox;39243168]That are statistically a ridiculously insignificant percentage of crime.[/QUOTE] You have no idea. I did the math (Which completely nulls these findings) But 0.007% of the guns in the USA are used to murder (This is assuming One gun is used per murder) 3% of those are from weapons like the AR-15. That's 0.0000021% of all guns owned in this country We have a higher percentage of silver in our bodies, naturally, than that

The Virginia tech shooter killed 33 people with only 2 pistols God damn how many times do I have to post this

[QUOTE=TheTalon;39243119]And if you're using an AK or AR-15, you don't even need AP. Even your run of the mil 9mm FMJ can shoot through two doors of a car[/QUOTE] Yeah anything short of a ballistic plate won't have a chance in hell of stopping anything outside of normal handgun rounds.

[QUOTE=meppers;39243186]The Virginia tech shooter killed 33 people with only 2 pistols God damn how many times do I have to post this[/QUOTE] And each magazine was limited to 10 rounds, so he just carried more than 2.

[QUOTE=GunFox;39243187]Yeah anything short of a ballistic plate won't have a chance in hell of stopping anything outside of normal handgun rounds.[/QUOTE] What are SWAT teams equipped with?

[QUOTE=Ogopogo;39243269]What are SWAT teams equipped with?[/QUOTE] Ballistic plates, unless that's a rhetorical question. [editline]16th January 2013[/editline] depends on the situation, actually

[QUOTE=Ogopogo;39243269]What are SWAT teams equipped with?[/QUOTE] Heavier vests, and depending on the department and type of vest, may or may not have ballistic plates in them. Even if they did, there's still the neck line, and usually the sides under the arms that are vulnerable to any type of weapon. During a school shooting, a SWAT team isn't going to set up a command center out front and plan something out after being assembled. The first officer on the scene is going to go in there and try and kill the shooter ASAP. At least in Nashville that's how it is. I can't say the same for other departments

[QUOTE=Apache249;39243291]Ballistic plates, unless that's a rhetorical question. [editline]16th January 2013[/editline] depends on the situation, actually[/QUOTE] I'm not really a gun savy person, but would there be any benefit for banning AP rounds when it came to SWAT in that case?

[QUOTE=Ogopogo;39243326]I'm not really a gun savy person, but would there be any benefit for banning AP rounds when it came to SWAT in that case?[/QUOTE] Only if the round hits a hard ballistic plate. AP rounds will go through anything else that you'd wear, if it's a rifle, say a .30-06. Plate will stop it, not much else would

[QUOTE=Ogopogo;39243326]I'm not really a gun savy person, but would there be any benefit for banning AP rounds when it came to SWAT in that case?[/QUOTE] I haven't seen a single confirmed reports of AP rounds being used in a crime in the US. [editline]16th January 2013[/editline] Also who would enforce that ban? A SWAT team of some sort.

[QUOTE=Ogopogo;39243326]I'm not really a gun savy person, but would there be any benefit for banning AP rounds when it came to SWAT in that case?[/QUOTE] It's dependent entirely on the caliber of the round, the vest the SWAT guys are wearing, and how many SWAT are in the assault team, and what department that SWAT team is with. Gear varies from SWAT team to SWAT team. As far as I know, AP rounds aren't easy to get and are regulated by the ATF (thats at least their reasoning for banning all that surplus 7.62x25.)

And it's my understanding that getting shot even with a ballistic plate is still gonna knock the wind out of you and probably bruise you up pretty bad.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;39243397]And it's my understanding that getting shot even with a ballistic plate is still gonna knock the wind out of you and probably bruise you up pretty bad.[/QUOTE] I've heard it compared to being hit by a sledge hammer. I know a 9MM is the same as dropping a 10 pound weight from an inch high. Imagine a fucking heavy and slow round

Also, a shattered ceramic plate is worthless, protection-wise.

[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39242750]Illegally modified with items they bought legally.[/QUOTE] better stop selling fertilizer as it's perfectly legal to buy and makes great illegal explosives or how about cleaning utilities that make chlorine gas [QUOTE=gay_idiot;39242750]So why should the tools to modify the weapons be so easily acquired?[/QUOTE] better ban pieces of string and files

Didn't Brevik use fertilizer in his bombs?

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39243619]Didn't Brevik use fertilizer in his bombs?[/QUOTE] The failed time square bomber tried to use fertilizer but the brand he used wasn't at all explosive.

[QUOTE=Hellborg 65;39242110]What were you all using the fucking machine guns for anyway. At least you still get handguns.[/QUOTE] in the history of the united states a crime has not been committed with a Machine Gun ever.

[QUOTE=gay_idiot;39242750]Illegally modified with items they bought legally. So why should the tools to modify the weapons be so easily acquired? Secondly, who the hell ever buys this much weaponry for a legit purpose:[/QUOTE] The tools can be as simple as a screwdriver or hammer. It doesn't take any specialized tools to convert a weapon to full-auto. In fact, it's really damn easy, from what I hear. [QUOTE=gay_idiot;39242750]Secondly, who the hell ever buys this much weaponry for a legit purpose: [quote]In October 1993, Phillips and Mătăsăreanu were arrested in Glendale, northeast of Los Angeles, California, for speeding.[10] A subsequent search of their vehicle—after Phillips surrendered with a concealed weapon—found two semi-automatic rifles, two handguns, more than 1,600 rounds of 7.62×39mm rifle ammunition, 1,200 rounds of 9×19mm Parabellum and .45 ACP handgun ammunition, radio scanners, smoke bombs, improvised explosive devices, body armor vests, and three different California license plates.[11] Initially charged with conspiracy to commit robbery,[12] both served 100 days in jail and were placed on three years' probation.[13] After their release, most of their seized property was returned to them.[14][/quote][/QUOTE] Most gun owners, actually. It is more economical to buy ammunition in bulk, especially if you have multiple guns that fire the same caliber. 7.62x39 is our biggest buy, and we typically buy 1000 rounds for that when we need to, because we have at least 3 different guns that fire it. [editline]16th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Bruhmis;39243744]in the history of the united states a crime has not been committed with a Machine Gun ever.[/QUOTE] Not quite true.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;39243744]in the history of the united states a crime has not been committed with a Machine Gun ever.[/QUOTE] If I recall correctly there have been two crimes committed since the ban, and one of them was committed by a police officer.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;39243744]in the history of the united states a crime has not been committed with a Machine Gun ever.[/QUOTE] You better get some sources here, quick

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;39243744]in the history of the united states a crime has not been committed with a Machine Gun ever.[/QUOTE] Uh, that's a bit of an overstatement.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;39243744]in the history of the united states a crime has not been committed with a Machine Gun ever.[/QUOTE] Correction: Since the enactment of the National Firearms Act of 1934, theirs only been two murders committed with legal full-automatic firearms. One of which was committed by a Police Officer with a MAC-10.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;39243744]in the history of the united states a crime has not been committed with a Machine Gun ever.[/QUOTE] yeah thats not true at all. Theres been 2 crimes committed with [b]registered[/b] and legal firearms, and IIRC they were both police officers.

[QUOTE=meppers;39243186]The Virginia tech shooter killed 33 people with only 2 pistols God damn how many times do I have to post this[/QUOTE] Yeah so ban those too. How does that sound? There's no winning with you people.

[QUOTE=Scot;39244061]Yeah so ban those too. How does that sound? There's no winning with you people.[/QUOTE] In what world do you live in where the Bill of Rights doesn't exist

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;39244074]In what world do you live in where the Bill of Rights doesn't exist[/QUOTE] The UK.

Oh man. It's not like the Supreme Court has found banning handguns to be unconstitutional, Multiple times.

[QUOTE=Scot;39244100]The UK.[/QUOTE] That's a sovereign state, not a world

[QUOTE=Scot;39244100]The UK.[/QUOTE] Yeah maybe you guys would be better off if you took some pointers from us. (Third the violent crime rate, higher median income, better employment rate, better literacy rate, educational attainment, no CCTV to watch you everywhere you go)