Consider this:
Krakatoa once erupted so horrendously, that the ash cloud it produced traveled around the world. Twice. It caused the global temperature to drop by 1.2 degrees celsius in 1 year. It caused the sky over much of Europe to become colored in spectrums ranging from blood-red to light orange; this phenomenom can be observed in the painting [I]The Scream[/I], which scientists say is an accurate depiction of the sky at the time. The ash cloud blocked out the sun in parts of the US, and some farmers suffered severe crop failure.
You think [I]humans[/I] have the power to change Earth's climate like that? Pffft, sure. Maybe we should legislate volcanoes into not erupting, lol.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;15970781]Uhh, uh, lankist; nature is sort of important. You know all those millions of poor people in 3rd world countries who have to fish and hunt every day just to get food to eat? They sort of need nature for their survival.[/QUOTE]
If you want to help them, more power to you. I don't, and I won't.
[QUOTE=Lankist;15971044]And to think environmentalism hasn't always been used as justification for the assertion of further control over the masses is naive as hell.[/QUOTE]
I am sorry but I simply do not see how making people environmentally friendly would help any sort of major group's power. Are you telling me that people buying reusable shopping bags somehow makes them more subservient to the government? That the Energy Efficient Light bulb companies are using hordes of lobbyists in washington to manipulate the government to increase their coffers?
Ooh yes Al Gore made a bunch of money off The Inconvenient Truth dvds. HE WANTS TO SUBJUGATE THE PUBLIC SO HE CAN BEND THEM TO HIS WILL.
[QUOTE=Lankist;15971044]Pop Quiz!
Which President passed the Endangered Species act?
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it was a bad president, wasn't it?
[b]Edit:[/b] It was Nixon! Well, since Nixon was involved with environmentalism, that means environmentalism must be bad. Just like painting is bad since Hitler was a painter, and mustaches are bad since Stalin had one.
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[QUOTE=Lankist;15971125]If you want to help them, more power to you. I don't, and I won't.[/QUOTE]
man I wish I could not care about other human beings
compassion sure is a bitch
[editline]08:03PM[/editline]
Lankist, lying on his death bed: "Here I am at the end of my life, and nothing comforts me *cough* more than the fact that I can look back on the life I lived and say to myself: 'I did it all for the money, and didn't give a damn about anyone.' This solid gold catheter is what truly matters in life."
*flatline*
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;15971157]I am sorry but I simply do not see how making people environmentally friendly would help any sort of major group's power. Are you telling me that people buying reusable shopping bags somehow makes them more subservient to the government? That the Energy Efficient Light bulb companies are using hordes of lobbyists in washington to manipulate the government to increase their coffers?
Ooh yes Al Gore made a bunch of money off The Inconvenient Truth dvds. HE WANTS TO SUBJUGATE THE PUBLIC SO HE CAN BEND THEM TO HIS WILL.[/quote]
Did I mention private companies? No. They're profiting off the hysteria, sure, but there's still room for the choice NOT to be environmentally friendly.
What's disturbing is when you say "making people environmentally friendly." How are you going to do that? Legislation? What are the crimes going to be? Driving too far in one day? Using too much of a certain fuel or lighting your house with the wrong bulbs? How do you enforce that? Are you going to fine the dirty people, or send them to jail?
And what if you don't have legislation? What if you enforce nothing? That's what I want, personally, but is that what you want? Because as I'm told, the people who choose to be environmentally friendly aren't enough.
It boils down to the slow dissolution of personal choice through what can only be described as terror. Yet again, fear is prevailing in modern politics. If we don't stop this and make people environmentally friendly, terrible things will happen. Now that's a good marketing tool, but is that something you want in legislation? Exploitation of fears inevitably leads to horrible, piece of shit bills. Look at USAPATRIOT. It's different circumstances and it serves a different purpose, but the way in which it got passed was the same. The justification for the legislation is identical when you consider the words "Terrorism" and "Environmental Crisis" interchangable.
It doesn't even matter if it's intentional. It still isn't right to tell people that they NEED to be friendly to the (magical buzzword) Environment. This isn't about survival, we aren't facing extinction. To claim that we are is simply terrorism in politics.
[quote]it was a bad president, wasn't it?[/QUOTE]
Nixon.
Guess what it's being used for. Not saving animals. The loose language in the act allows for prefferential land development. Meaning, the government, in many cases, has to sign off on new construction and deforestation in residential and commercial areas, and they can, and do, sign off on things that aren't so much fair as they are prefferential for a boost in local economy. In short, if you own a lot 1000 yards away from where a shopping center is being built, if it's in the best interest for that shopping center to retain empty land at its perimeter, you aren't going to get a government signoff to build on that lot.
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[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;15971157]man I wish I could not care about other human beings
compassion sure is a bitch
[editline]08:03PM[/editline]
Lankist, lying on his death bed: "Here I am at the end of my life, and nothing comforts me *cough* more than the fact that I can look back on the life I lived and say to myself: 'I did it all for the money, and didn't give a damn about anyone.' This solid gold catheter is what truly matters in life."
*flatline*[/QUOTE]
What are you going to do about it? Force me to care? That sure is compassionate.
Speaking of which, you still have yet to address your whole compassion argument from yesterday. Remember, the one where you're going on and on about how being lazy has absolutely nothing to do with poverty or success, and when presented with the otherworldly notion of someone who finds that sort of bullshit mentality offensive, you silently retreat to the corner.
[QUOTE=Lankist;15971290]Did I mention private companies? No. They're profiting off the hysteria, sure, but there's still room for the choice NOT to be environmentally friendly.
What's disturbing is when you say "making people environmentally friendly." How are you going to do that? Legislation? What are the crimes going to be? Driving too far in one day? Using too much of a certain fuel or lighting your house with the wrong bulbs? How do you enforce that? Are you going to fine the dirty people, or send them to jail?
And what if you don't have legislation? What if you enforce nothing? That's what I want, personally, but is that what you want? Because as I'm told, the people who choose to be environmentally friendly aren't enough.
It boils down to the slow dissolution of personal choice through what can only be described as terror. Yet again, fear is prevailing in modern politics. If we don't stop this and make people environmentally friendly, terrible things will happen. Now that's a good marketing tool, but is that something you want in legislation? Exploitation of fears inevitably leads to horrible, piece of shit bills. Look at USAPATRIOT. It's different circumstances and it serves a different purpose, but the way in which it got passed was the same. The justification for the legislation is identical when you consider the words "Terrorism" and "Environmental Crisis" interchangable.
It doesn't even matter if it's intentional. It still isn't right to tell people that they NEED to be friendly to the (magical buzzword) Environment. This isn't about survival, we aren't facing extinction. To claim that we are is simply terrorism in politics.
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Yeah yeah not letting companies pour radioactive slag into rivers is just one more step towards tyranny, I've heard it all before.
[QUOTE=Lankist;15951599]Improvement is improvement. Everyone has the capability.
Bullshit. Fucking bullshit. That is downright insulting. You're saying that I'm not where I am today because of how I BUSTED MY ASS to get here, but because of some fucking invisible advantage you made up?
You are full of shit. I got to where I am because I worked. I studied, I researched, and I still bust my ass day by day just for self improvement and understanding. I won't sit here and have anyone tell me that didn't mean anything, that I got here because of some inherent bullshit talent I am lucky to have,
[editline]09:56PM[/editline]
The only advantage I had was a strong jaw.[/QUOTE]
This one, remember that one Mr Compassion? Where you insult the lower class that you claim to have compassion for by pretending you're some high and fucking mighty superior being.
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[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;15971316]Yeah yeah not letting companies pour radioactive slag into rivers is just one more step towards tyranny, I've heard it all before.[/QUOTE]
Did I mention regulation of corporate conglomerates? No. You said "people." I'm talking about people. The masses.
[editline]10:10PM[/editline]
Also thanks for responding to an extensive idea with a single sentence
[editline]10:10PM[/editline]
A sentence that had nothing to do with what I said
[editline]10:10PM[/editline]
"Well I think it's wrong to force morality on the individual"
"YEAH YEAH YEAH CORPORATIONS MAN"
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And don't puss out again. That just shows you can't argue your point for shit.
[QUOTE=Lankist;15971290]Speaking of which, you still have yet to address your whole compassion argument from yesterday. Remember, the one where you're going on and on about how being lazy has absolutely nothing to do with poverty or success, and when presented with the otherworldly notion of someone who finds that sort of bullshit mentality offensive, you silently retreat to the corner.[/QUOTE]
Actually IIRC I responded to that post about you growing up in a trailer park by saying that you may have climbed to the top on your own, but not all poor people start in the exact same conditions as you, and for a single mother of two, or a child who was raised knowing of nothing but gang violence and despair, or a man who has serious psychological issues and has fallen through the cracks of our medicaid system, or a vietnam veteran who sometimes tries to strangle his wife in his sleep because he never really left vietnam and in the half dream half-waking state he was in he saw her as a charlie, (I have met all of these people, they are not made up) it can be pretty hard just to get by, let alone try to get by [i]and[/i] try to build a career or go to college at the same time.
i mean I didn't say [i]all[/i] of that at the time, but I certainly responded with something like that.
[QUOTE=Lankist;15971290]
What are you going to do about it? Force me to care? That sure is compassionate.[/QUOTE]
Man, you can't take anything in degrees, can you?
Me: "I think you need to be more compassionate"
You: "So what, you're going to strangle me if I don't!?!?"
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;15971518]actually IIRC i responded to that post about you growing up in a trailer park by saying that you may have climbed to the top on your own, but not all poor people start in the exact same conditions as you, and for a single mother of two or, a child who was raised knowing of nothing but gang violence and despair, or a man who has psychological issues and has fallen through the cracks of our medicaid system, or a vietnam veteran who sometimes tries to strangle his wife in his sleep because he never really left vietnam and in the half dream half-waking state he was in he saw her as a charlie, (I have met all of these people, they are not made up) it can be pretty hard just to get by, let alone try to get by [i]and[/i] try to build a career or go to college at the same time.[/quote]
No, the post I quoted was the response to what you just repeated verbatim. When you told me I am "lucky." That's bullshit. You're attributing some sort of fucked up psychological divinity to why I'm not a (complete) failure. That instead of climbing out of a hole through my own blood, sweat and tears, I got a gentle push by some fucking bullshit advantage you made up, be that where I started or what my conditions were. That's insulting, demeaning, condescending and downright bullshit, and shows a complete LACK of compassion for where I came from and what I did to get to where I am.
I don't care where you are in life, the only thing I believe in whole heartedly is that every individual has the capability for self improvement. But when some fuck like you, living in relative wealth, extravagance and overabundance of means of entertainment such as this network right here, when you tell people from this perch high above the rest of the world that there are sad little people down at your feet who are inherently too small to make it to eye-level with you, that it is your self-proclaimed RESPONSIBILITY to help lift them to your almightly level of success, you have done both an extreme disservice and thrown an insult with such an enormous lack of compassion and empathy that I have a difficult time taking anything you say seriously.
[quote]Man, you can't take anything in degrees, can you?
Me: "I think you need to be more compassionate"
You: "So what, you're going to strangle me if I don't!?!?"[/QUOTE]
And you aren't? I'm not going to be more compassionate. Not for you or anyone whose vagina I'm not madly in love with. And that's the point. You can't do a goddamn thing about it. It defies your world view and offends your sensibilities, but here I stand, a product of success not out of the "compassion" of pompous, condescending people like you who think it's your duty to help all the little people down below, but instead out of my own volition, work and intelligence.
It invalidates your entire assertion.
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I'll say it as many times as you want me to until you man up and admit it. Your condescension and shortsightedness are offensive to me and anyone who's actually had to make something of themselves. When faced with the reality of the impoverished you proclaim compassion for, they are evidently alien to you. You don't care about them, you care about making yourself feel better. Anyone whose ever taken Psych 101 can tell, this shit is all about you.
[editline]10:33PM[/editline]
Now go ahead, make a witty, one sentence quip to a quote taken out of context, as per usual.
[QUOTE=Lankist;15971696]No, the post I quoted was the response to what you just repeated verbatim. When you told me I am "lucky." That's bullshit. You're attributing some sort of fucked up psychological divinity to why I'm not a (complete) failure. That instead of climbing out of a hole through my own blood, sweat and tears, I got a gentle push by some fucking bullshit advantage you made up, be that where I started or what my conditions were. That's insulting, demeaning, condescending and downright bullshit, and shows a complete LACK of compassion for where I came from and what I did to get to where I am.
I don't care where you are in life, the only thing I believe in whole heartedly is that every individual has the capability for self improvement. But when some fuck like you, living in relative wealth, extravagance and overabundance of means of entertainment such as this network right here, when you tell people from this perch high above the rest of the world that there are sad little people down at your feet who are inherently too small to make it to eye-level with you, that it is your self-proclaimed RESPONSIBILITY to help lift them to your almightly level of success, you have done both an extreme disservice and thrown an insult with such an enormous lack of compassion and empathy that I have a difficult time taking anything you say seriously.
And you aren't? I'm not going to be more compassionate. Not for you or anyone whose vagina I'm not madly in love with. And that's the point. You can't do a goddamn thing about it. It defies your world view and offends your sensibilities, but here I stand, a product of success not out of the "compassion" of pompous, condescending people like you who think it's your duty to help all the little people down below, but instead out of my own volition, work and intelligence.
It invalidates your entire assertion.[/QUOTE]
I've never seen someone get so indignant at someone for arguing that people need to help those less fortunate than themselves. I'm done, I'm fucking done. If you're going to draw some grand insult to your honor, some ultimate indignity that I am subjecting you to out of every word I type, I'm not going to bother.
This is unreal.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;15971821]This is unreal.[/QUOTE]
What, the notion that someone who was raised in an impoverished environment finds the ramblings of an intellectual child who thinks it's his moral duty to help all those below stand to such a great stature as his to be offensive?
It's not exactly complicated. Maybe you don't understand it because you have a complete lack of empathy for the issue at hand.
Global warming is just another thing politicians say it wrong with the world and say they're fixing.
[QUOTE=Lankist;15971696]
And you aren't? I'm not going to be more compassionate. Not for you or anyone whose vagina I'm not madly in love with.[/QUOTE]
i thought I was done but this has been eating at me
do you really look at it like that? are you really hesitant to mention yourself loving a person, you just say it's their vagina, their sex that you love? Were you just trying to be humorous or is that how it really is?
Would it really matter if I did?
It doesn't make you any less wrong.
You'd get to say your condescending shit like "I feel bad for you" with absolutely no understanding of who or why I am. In reality, in doing that the only person you're fooling is yourself.
Man Made Global Warming... the temperature of Earth is in perfect sync with the Sun's activity for fucks sake, When can we forget about Global Warming and Focus on a new disaster for a decade
If you want to be worried, be worried that every 11 years without fail since We've been recording it (I think) the Sun goes through a cycle in which Sunspots appear, but it's been 13 years, and none have been seen
You see how Cold and Hot places of the earth get in Winter/Summer, and that's just because of a relatively minor tilt in the scope of things... on an astronomical level, it's an insignificant distance of movement, but temperatures range 30-40 degrees F because of it... maybe, just maybe, the FUCKING SUN is going through a Fucking Cycle, and even a Minor change can have an effect on earth
People, animals and shit give off more Co2 than factories anyway, and I mean as in Exhaling when we breathe
[QUOTE=Lankist;15972232]Would it really matter if I did?
It doesn't make you any less wrong.
You'd get to say your condescending shit like "I feel bad for you" with absolutely no understanding of who or why I am. In reality, in doing that the only person you're fooling is yourself.[/QUOTE]
I'm not going to use it to debate you, I'm not going to use it as a point of argument or as a retort or to dismiss anything. I just want to know the answer. I want to know because that's the type of thing that hits you and it doesn't stop hitting you until you know the answer.
do you not feel love? do you not imagine yourself falling in love with someone?
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;15972308]I'm not going to use it to debate you, I'm not going to use it as a point of argument or as a retort or to dismiss anything. I just want to know the answer. I want to know because that's the type of thing that hits you and it doesn't stop hitting you until you know the answer.
do you not feel love? do you not imagine yourself falling in love with someone?[/QUOTE]
Do you honestly believe you feel love and compassion for all those you perceive to be below you, or is it simply your psyche's method of making you feel better about not having to climb that hole?
[editline]11:18PM[/editline]
I'm not going to give you an answer because I am not fucking you.
Unlike a girlfriend, I don't have to put up with [i]your[/i] stupid questions.
[editline]11:21PM[/editline]
What should matter to you is that your worldview is being brought into question, that for whatever reason you don't seem to understand, you don't have morality and compassion on your side.
In every discussion I've seen you in you tout yourself around like a moral crusader. Personally I think it's hilarious how confused you get when that's brought into question. When somebody presents an idea seemingly alien to you.
Honestly it shows a severe detachment from reality.
[QUOTE=Lankist;15971044]
He's referring to the fact that Penn and Teller said [i]they[/i], as in the duo, do not know. That they are neither experts nor scientists and that they aren't qualified to make a statement on the general idea of climate change, but instead aim their criticism at the exploitation of climate change as a tool of profit and politics.
He wasn't saying Penn and Teller don't know therefore nobody knows, he's saying Penn and Teller don't know therefore Penn and Teller, two renowned skeptics, do not make broad statements on the science of the issue.[/QUOTE]
i don't even need to fucking explain my posts, this is great
Lankist is like, the logical lawyer who fights for justice, and i'm like, that badass lawyer that kicks people in the face when i'm at law
[editline]08:32PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lankist;15972353]
I'm not going to give you an answer because I am not fucking you.
Unlike a girlfriend, I don't have to put up with [i]your[/i] stupid questions.
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whahaaat?
[QUOTE=Lankist;15972353]Do you honestly believe you feel love and compassion for all those you perceive to be below you, or is it simply your psyche's method of making you feel better about not having to climb that hole?
[editline]11:18PM[/editline]
I'm not going to give you an answer because I am not fucking you.
Unlike a girlfriend, I don't have to put up with [i]your[/i] stupid questions.
[editline]11:21PM[/editline]
What should matter to you is that your worldview is being brought into question, that for whatever reason you don't seem to understand, you don't have morality and compassion on your side.
In every discussion I've seen you in you tout yourself around like a moral crusader. Personally I think it's hilarious how confused you get when that's brought into question. When somebody presents an idea seemingly alien to you.
Honestly it shows a severe detachment from reality.[/QUOTE]
stop trying to debate me, I'm not debating any more. I had a question, you don't want to answer the question. Don't make it more complicated than that. Don't try to give me a psychological assessment over the internet. Don't tell me about how you sat there and fit all the pieces together by reading my posts on a video game forum and came to the conclusion that I suffer from "a severe detachment from reality."
You said you're not going to answer the question, that's all you needed to say.
[QUOTE=thisispain;15972581]whahaaat?[/QUOTE]
bitches ask to many things
Whats your favorite color?
I dunno, rust
What does that say about you?
That rust is the color the bars will be in the prison I'm sent to after I strangle you for asking too many things
[QUOTE=Lankist;15972693]bitches ask to many things
Whats your favorite color?
I dunno, rust
What does that say about you?
That rust is the color the bars will be in the prison I'm sent to after I strangle you for asking too many things[/QUOTE]
my favourite colour, apparently, is red.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;15972621]You said you're not going to answer the question, that's all you needed to say.[/QUOTE]
And you said you weren't going to talk anymore given you have no legitimate response to what I said but you refuse to admit how downright wrong you are about everything forever.
[QUOTE=Snow_EP;15965747]You're making very little sense.
Improve your grammar, please.[/QUOTE]
my grammar's fine, capitalization is dismissed because i couldn't care any less about that on a web forum.
i'm making a lot of sense, you're just dull and thick minded.
[QUOTE=Lankist;15966308]And yet that hole we were told would cause mass cancer in a matter of years if not fixed immediately is still there, still relatively the same size and it ain't doing jack shit.
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There's such an enormous propaganda component to this shit that you can't really blame people for being skeptical. We've heard it all before. DO THIS OR WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE. DO THAT OR IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD.
When is the world going to end already, shit's getting old. Sensationalism has bred mistrust, and rightfully so.[/QUOTE]
Actually in australia kids are required to were hats while playing outside due to the high amounts of UV rays
The good thing is that time machines will allow everyone to constantly go back in time so in the future no one is living there.
Do I make any sense?
[QUOTE=Kyle902;15994469]Actually in australia kids are required to were hats while playing outside due to the high amounts of UV rays[/QUOTE]
Children with hats.
Frightening vision of the post-apocalyptic future right there
Its not possible to stop global warming. We can just slow it down.
[QUOTE=Lankist;15967118]That's because China and India don't give a fuck about this stupid shit[/QUOTE]
Well they are the two of the highest polluters in the world, and the fact they they are currently unregulated means that while everyone else is running their country with hair clippings for fuel they'll be the ones screwing up my air.
[QUOTE=thisispain;15967415]led to believe
because anyone who doesn't think like you is a fucking idiot right
k[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, just like everyone agrees with everything you say.
This isn't goint to happen, you can't tell India and China to stop developing their industry, and a halt in industry growth would be required to even slow the rate of global warming. And anyway, it's a little hypocritical of Obama to blame global warming on developing nations when his country wouldn't even sign Kyoto. But I suppose he's trying to make up for past mistakes.
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