Jail for teenager who killed girl after dare - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Halahazam;32077252]Somehow, this makes this 100% more sad for me personally I dunno why[/QUOTE] Because she went out of her way to impress him because she loved him. And he just killed her instead and left her lying alone to rot.

Exactly the kind of person who i want to have strapped to a table while i heat up a branding iron. Maybe not. That would be stupid. It would make me as bad as him. NONONONO

If I remember he was going to kill her either way. His friend just told him he would buy him breakfast if he did. Pretty sure the friend thought he was joking though. [editline]2nd September 2011[/editline] [url]http://i.imgur.com/4Vpn3.png[/url] [url]http://i.imgur.com/SJr8p.png[/url] Why are FP raters so retardedly inconsistent.

I don't think he should get a death sentence, because of the old saying 'An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind', but he shouldn't be in jail all his life either. Why do you want him there? Just to make him suffer? Watch your taxes go for his food. He shouldn't just go to jail for 'some long time' either. He would just get fucked in jail, fuck his mentality even worse and then get released to kill someone else. Instead, he should be given a forced therapy session in some detainment/jail place, until they fix him. That would be most humane, actually fix problems, might even be cheaper than keeping a person alive in jail for years and years.

[QUOTE=DeadKiller987;32079321]I don't think he should get a death sentence, because of the old saying 'An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind', but he shouldn't be in jail all his life either. Why do you want him there? Just to make him suffer? Watch your taxes go for his food. He shouldn't just go to jail for 'some long time' either. He would just get fucked in jail, fuck his mentality even worse and then get released to kill someone else. Instead, he should be given a forced therapy session in some detainment/jail place, until they fix him. That would be most humane, actually fix problems, might even be cheaper than keeping a person alive in jail for years and years.[/QUOTE] Having a criminal record consisting of murder along with no education will mean he'll end up a useless shitstain chav which will arguably cost the populace just as much with the added bonus of being a hinderance and a pest to society. In jail he'll at least be kept away from the populace.

Best to try and make the best out of the situation and help the guy, no matter how little he may deserve it. [editline]2nd September 2011[/editline] I don't think he'll ever live a normal life though, even if he is 'cured', who would want to be friend with someone who murdered someone as a teenager?

[quote]Davies posted messages on Facebook saying he was watching TV to give himself an alibi.[/quote] The way this sentence is worded confuses the shit out of me...

[QUOTE=_Axel;32079529]The way this sentence is worded confuses the shit out of me...[/QUOTE] It's worded the way it should be worded, I don't see anything wrong with it. Okay now that I pronounced it I see the problem, it should've been; "In order to give himself an alibi, davies posted status updates on facebook saying that he was watching tv"

[QUOTE=_Axel;32079529]The way this sentence is worded confuses the shit out of me...[/QUOTE] Around the time of the crime, the suspect made status(es) on facebook saying he was watching television in an attempt for an alibi.

16 years old and in jail for 14 years is enough in my opinion, he's gonna skip probably the best years in anyone's life.

They shouldn't blame this on the friend who dared him, he was probably having a laugh and had no idea this kid was mentally ill.

[QUOTE=Last or First;32078142]Even though I advocate for the death penalty in extremely rare cases, this is not one of them. He needs therapy and / or long jail time. Honestly, I want to see them turn him into a sorry, nervous, self-loathing wreck who apologizes for absolutely everything and does community service and charity in order to try and redeem himself.[/QUOTE] He sounds like a complete psychopath to me, so I doubt he'll ever feel guilt. He probably hates the girl he killed even more and thinks it's her fault for him getting arrested.

great idea mom! now you and every1 else wont know how to prevent any other sickos, such as this teen, from murdering innocent people over 'dare'.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32079468]Best to try and make the best out of the situation and help the guy, no matter how little he may deserve it. [editline]2nd September 2011[/editline] I don't think he'll ever live a normal life though, even if he is 'cured', who would want to be friend with someone who murdered someone as a teenager?[/QUOTE]Which is why he can't be "cured" because society will never forgive him. Capital punishment, life imprisonment both serve the same purpose in that society does not want these individuals so they go away. If he's "rehabilitated" and released, society still does not want him, he'll be forever a pariah, most likely a career criminal and the cycle of wasted money continues. To the rest of you: I keep getting boxes because I'm obviously pro-death for these types of people and I know why: everyone bawws and gets emotional. A good portion of FP is so idealistic and plain naive that they fail to look at this in a rational manner. I try, very hard, to keep my opinion on this focused on raw facts. There is no logical reason for we, the taxpayers, to keep these individuals alive or around. We're essentially taking resources and throwing it into a black hole. There's no rational reason for a society to blow money on assholes who are, for lack of a better term, broken. Malfunctioning humans. I realize I seem like I have no compassion regarding this issue and there's a very good reason for that. I don't! Call me barbaric, call me uncivilized, give me all the boxes you possibly can if you really want to, I don't care. The simple fact is, rehabilitation does not work either through the fault of the criminal justice system or because society does not accept the rehabilitated. You cannot force a free society to accept something and it still be free, so either way the "rehabilitation" argument loses. A murderer forever will be a murderer. A rapist forever will be a rapist. A child molester forever will be a child molester. Even those accused, but found not guilty are still marred by the stigma of the accusations. I'd much rather be in a free society than be forced to accept somebody who could not play by the rules to begin with.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;32079972]Which is why he can't be "cured" because society will never forgive him. Capital punishment, life imprisonment both serve the same purpose in that society does not want these individuals so they go away. If he's "rehabilitated" and released, society still does not want him, he'll be forever a pariah, most likely a career criminal and the cycle of wasted money continues. To the rest of you: I keep getting boxes because I'm obviously pro-death for these types of people and I know why: everyone bawws and gets emotional. A good portion of FP is so idealistic and plain naive that they fail to look at this in a rational manner. I try, very hard, to keep my opinion on this focused on raw facts. There is no logical reason for we, the taxpayers, to keep these individuals alive or around. We're essentially taking resources and throwing it into a black hole. There's no rational reason for a society to blow money on assholes who are, for lack of a better term, broken. Malfunctioning humans. I realize I seem like I have no compassion regarding this issue and there's a very good reason for that. I don't! Call me barbaric, call me uncivilized, give me all the boxes you possibly can if you really want to, I don't care. The simple fact is, rehabilitation does not work either through the fault of the criminal justice system or because society does not accept the rehabilitated. You cannot force a free society to accept something and it still be free, so either way the "rehabilitation" argument loses. A murderer forever will be a murderer. A rapist forever will be a rapist. A child molester forever will be a child molester. Even those accused, but found not guilty are still marred by the stigma of the accusations. I'd much rather be in a free society than be forced to accept somebody who could not play by the rules to begin with.[/QUOTE] most people's problem with death penalty isn't the morality, it's the fact that it some-how costs a lot more than life imprisonment. The tons of redundant trials and other things might be why, but eh. Like in this case, he's guilty, no questions asked, but if he would get the death penalty there'd be dozens of trials/investigations over the next two decades in to this before he finally gets killed. That's the larger problem here; the system is so redundant in certain areas that death penalty is more expensive than life imprisonment.

But how can we decide who has the right to live or die, is that really up to us, do we have the knowledge to judge that?

In somewhat related news a classmate of mine was shot. In hospital now, kind of an asshole but didn't deserve it.

To be honest I think it can be forgiven that the parents would want him to get the death penalty, I think many people would want the same if someone they loved was killed by some sick fuck

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32080043]But how can we decide who has the right to live or die, is that really up to us, do we have the knowledge to judge that?[/QUOTE] How is life imprisonment different from death? I'd much rather be dead than in jail the rest of my life, like they say, death is the easy way out.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32080066]To be honest I think it can be forgiven that the parents would want him to get the death penalty, I think many people would want the same if someone they loved was killed by some sick fuck[/QUOTE] Yes it's completely understandable.

Wishing for the death penalty seems like a normal reaction imo when your child gets killed or something. But then again the death penalty wouldn't make the parents feel any better. I don't think so anyway. Forgiveness maybe? That might just do the trick!

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;32080229]Wishing for the death penalty seems like a normal reaction imo when your child gets killed or something. But then again the death penalty wouldn't make the parents feel any better. I don't think so anyway. Forgiveness maybe? That might just do the trick![/QUOTE] It's hard to forgive someone who murdered your daughter for no reason what so ever.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;32080229]Wishing for the death penalty seems like a normal reaction imo when your child gets killed or something. But then again the death penalty wouldn't make the parents feel any better. I don't think so anyway. Forgiveness maybe? That might just do the trick![/QUOTE] Which is why they don't decide the punishment.

[QUOTE=Miskav;32080070]How is life imprisonment different from death? I'd much rather be dead than in jail the rest of my life, like they say, death is the easy way out.[/QUOTE] Yeah that's a good point, imprisoning someone is arguable just as bad as killing someone. I'm not sure what to make of it.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32080305]Yeah that's a good point, imprisoning someone is arguable just as bad as killing someone. I'm not sure what to make of it.[/QUOTE] In my opinion, Imprisoning someone is worst. You can just hope that they other prisoners don't find him attractive.

[QUOTE=Bryanrocks0;32076786] And this is the killer, he looks like the kind of kid who would do it. Just looking at this picture of him makes me want to punch him. [img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/07/28/article-2019409-0D306A2100000578-793_306x423.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] What magical land do you hail from where mugshots look good? Still, killing someone over fucking free food...... What the fuck man... :smith:

[QUOTE=Lyonidis;32080331]What magical land do you hail from where mugshots look good? Still, killing someone over fucking free food...... What the fuck man... :smith:[/QUOTE] Wales. [img]http://www.whales.org.za/images/contents/humpback-whale-2.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32080237]It's hard to forgive someone who murdered your daughter for no reason what so ever.[/QUOTE] Yeah I can only imagine.. But confronting the killer, forgiving him and telling him that you actually love him, that is the kinda attitude I'd expect from all humans. But that's just some world peace hippie love bullshit I guess, but there's something to it...

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;32080368]Yeah I can only imagine.. But confronting the killer, forgiving him and telling that you actually love him, that is the kinda attitude I'd expect from all humans. But that's just some world peace hippie love bullshit I guess.[/QUOTE] What the heck did I just read :v:

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;32080368]Yeah I can only imagine.. But confronting the killer, forgiving him and telling that you actually love him, that is the kinda attitude I'd expect from all humans. But that's just some world peace hippie love bullshit I guess.[/QUOTE] If someone killed a person I loved in an armed robbery or something I would forgive them, because they were obviously having a hard time. This person killed their daughter because he's a sadistic fuck, I don't think personally I could ever forgive someone like that without crossing my fingers behind my back.