[quote]"There is no doubt in my mind that Rebecca was destined for great things," she said.[/quote]
Considering she is dead, she probably wasn't.
[editline]3rd September 2011[/editline]
But this is really sad. Saddest is that she died at his hands right after entrusting him enough to meet him. Killing somebody who genuinely likes you in cold blood is horrible.
I wonder if there is still hope for this kid.
I hope he gets raped in the prison bath by a hairy middle-aged fatass
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;32085866]I hope this cunt hangs. If someone killed my daughter, I'd do it myself.[/QUOTE]
Which is exactly why families of murder victims do not have a role in the sentencing process.
[QUOTE=peepin;32076635]Well, he will get free Breakfast, lunch, and dinner for where he is headed[/QUOTE]
Free soap, free cell, free bed.
Hope he enjoys Federal Pound-Me-In-the-Ass Prison.
[editline]3rd September 2011[/editline]
Or is it Her Majesty's Pound-Me-In-the-Ass Prison over there?
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;32089507]Considering she is dead, she probably wasn't.
[editline]3rd September 2011[/editline]
But this is really sad. Saddest is that she died at his hands right after entrusting him enough to meet him. Killing somebody who genuinely likes you in cold blood is horrible.
I wonder if there is still hope for this kid.[/QUOTE]
Keyword, "[B]was[/B]" destined for great things. Meaning she could have been successful if she didn't die. If she was alive, it would be Rebecca [B]is[/B] destined for great things.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;32085056]Okay, we used a five guys, paid minimum wage, firing deer rifles that cost a hundred dollars each and the cheapest ammo we can get for the firing squad. There, it's now infinitely less expensive than life imprisonment.[/QUOTE]
Despite trying to seem "logical", you're an idiot. Lethal injection is also only a few hundred dollars to carry out. The reason it is so expensive is because of the all of the court costs to make damn sure you have the right guy and they get a certain number of appeals. And Britain doesn't have the death penalty anyway so they're one more on us.
And before you and your "logical" thinking say to take away those, you're going to end up executing a lot more innocent people.
[quote]Davies, 16, left Rebecca face down in the pouring rain in the new clothes she had bought for their meeting.[/quote]
Really makes you think about her as a person rather than just the subject of a news article.
Just the thought that she was probably happily shopping for new clothes to make a good impression... Really, really sad.
[editline]3rd September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;32079972]Which is why he can't be "cured" because society will never forgive him. Capital punishment, life imprisonment both serve the same purpose in that society does not want these individuals so they go away. If he's "rehabilitated" and released, society still does not want him, he'll be forever a pariah, most likely a career criminal and the cycle of wasted money continues.
To the rest of you:
I keep getting boxes because I'm obviously pro-death for these types of people and I know why: everyone bawws and gets emotional. A good portion of FP is so idealistic and plain naive that they fail to look at this in a rational manner. I try, very hard, to keep my opinion on this focused on raw facts. There is no logical reason for we, the taxpayers, to keep these individuals alive or around. We're essentially taking resources and throwing it into a black hole. There's no rational reason for a society to blow money on assholes who are, for lack of a better term, broken. Malfunctioning humans. I realize I seem like I have no compassion regarding this issue and there's a very good reason for that. I don't! Call me barbaric, call me uncivilized, give me all the boxes you possibly can if you really want to, I don't care. The simple fact is, rehabilitation does not work either through the fault of the criminal justice system or because society does not accept the rehabilitated. You cannot force a free society to accept something and it still be free, so either way the "rehabilitation" argument loses. A murderer forever will be a murderer. A rapist forever will be a rapist. A child molester forever will be a child molester. Even those accused, but found not guilty are still marred by the stigma of the accusations.
I'd much rather be in a free society than be forced to accept somebody who could not play by the rules to begin with.[/QUOTE]
Well said. The death penalty is a tough subject.
[editline]3rd September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;32080229]Wishing for the death penalty seems like a normal reaction imo when your child gets killed or something.
But then again the death penalty wouldn't make the parents feel any better. I don't think so anyway. Forgiveness maybe? That might just do the trick![/QUOTE]
Media always paints a picture that retribution doesn't actually help somebody find peace. I'm not really ready to believe that so easily.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;32096220]Despite trying to seem "logical", you're an idiot. Lethal injection is also only a few hundred dollars to carry out. The reason it is so expensive is because of the all of the court costs to make damn sure you have the right guy and they get a certain number of appeals. And Britain doesn't have the death penalty anyway so they're one more on us.
And before you and your "logical" thinking say to take away those, you're going to end up executing a lot more innocent people.[/QUOTE]"Logically" you didn't read the post that post was quoting, but I won't call you an idiot because I'm not a fucking child. Yeah, you're not an idiot, but you are acting like a child. Anyway, if you had simply [i]followed the discussion like a reasonable adult[/i], rather than just reading my posts like a creeper, you would've seen that I addressed that issue. Specifically that if there was without any possible doubt somebody was guilty, the execution could proceed as scheduled without delay.
Next time, read the thread before posting and calling somebody else an idiot because you might just end up looking like the idiot yourself.
The death penalty is inhumane! We should abolish it!
Someone killed my family member! Reinstate the death penalty!
I hate these sort of people.
[editline]3rd September 2011[/editline]
To be fair, this dude is a fucking sociopath. Buying the new clothes meant that she probably wanted to impress him. And then he murdered her. Jesus fucking Christ.
That chick's mom sounds like a psycho bitch.
I'm glad she has no political power at all.
Man, this is exactly the kind of thing you read about that is incredibly, ridiculously depressing, like "Kitten orphanage burns down, killing twenty", or "Puppy remains found, killer remains at large".
Poor kid. That boy's a psychopath, he needs help.
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[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;32097576]That chick's mom sounds like a psycho bitch.
I'm glad she has no political power at all.[/QUOTE]
Oh God, what? Can't you excuse her for her freaking child being murdered [B]over a fucking McMuffin?![/B]
[QUOTE=ThisGuy0;32090288]Which is exactly why families of murder victims do not have a role in the sentencing process.[/QUOTE]
And that is why I'm saying when he gets off the hook or he gets 3-4 years in prison, I'd do it myself.
[QUOTE=Cone;32097727]Oh God, what? Can't you excuse her for her freaking child being murdered [B]over a fucking McMuffin?![/B][/QUOTE]
Oh for fucks sake, the media has just blown up the whole "over breakfast" thing.
A friend merely joked (and will hate it for the rest of his life) to the killer that he'd give him breakfast if he killed her.
The guy would have likely killed her [b]either way[/b].
Just realised, both of my posts in this thread start with "Oh for fucks sake". I need to be more original.
[QUOTE=Terminutter;32097838]Oh for fucks sake, the media has just blown up the whole "over breakfast" thing.
A friend merely joked (and will hate it for the rest of his life) to the killer that he'd give him breakfast if he killed her.
The guy would have likely killed her [b]either way[/b].[/QUOTE]
I know, but that doesn't change the fact that this woman's child was murdered. It doesn't matter whether it was for all the money in the world, that woman's lost her child and will never get her back. Can't we forgive her for feeling angry at her killer?
Sarcasm
Some people don't get it.
[QUOTE=Lazyboy0337;32097941]Sarcasm
Some people don't get it.[/QUOTE]
It was just asking for trouble.
"Hey, creepy stupid friend who collects antique knives, if you kill that girl I'll buy you a McMuffin."
That's just a stupid move, right there.
Saddening, I didn't know the Rebecca, but some of my friends did. She lived not so far away from me too.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32080043]But how can we decide who has the right to live or die, is that really up to us, do we have the knowledge to judge that?[/QUOTE]
We can only judge one another based on one's actions. Nothing else (race, religion, beliefs, thoughts, dreams, etc.) is as certain, absolute and does more to define a man than the actions itself.
Most people don't comprehend the full power of individual freedom and personal liberty. You actually have the freedom and power to terminate your own rights by terminating someone elses right to liberty. It wouldn't be freedom if you weren't able to do so.
[QUOTE=Last or First;32078142]Because he's blaming the friend for tempting him with muffins.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WinHMCjyMZI[/media][/QUOTE]
Holy fuck
The mom seems hypocritical to me. They robbed me of my children so I want to rob them of theirs.
I understand, but still.
Also the death penalty shouldn't exist for the simple reason that nobody should have the power to decide if someone legally lives or dies. Ethics do not even matter, I just don't want the government to have that power
[QUOTE=GoodStuff;32098727]We can only judge one another based on one's actions. Nothing else (race, religion, beliefs, thoughts, dreams, etc.) is as certain, absolute and does more to define a man than the actions itself.
Most people don't comprehend the full power of individual freedom and personal liberty. You actually have the freedom and power to terminate your own rights by terminating someone elses right to liberty. It wouldn't be freedom if you weren't able to do so.[/QUOTE]Interesting take on that. You have the right to be a criminal, therefore choosing to forfeit your rights.[QUOTE=Croix;32099797]Also the death penalty shouldn't exist for the simple reason that nobody should have the power to decide if someone legally lives or dies. Ethics do not even matter, I just don't want the government to have that power[/QUOTE]While I rated you with a disagree, I only disagree partially. If we had a legal system where there was no jury for both civil and criminal trials, yes, I'd be leaning slightly against the death penalty. We do, however, have a criminal justice system that entitles somebody to a jury trial, thus being judged by your peers. This is fellow citizens deciding your fate, not the government.
I would say not to kill the Joshua, that kid had some real problems if you ask me. Just read what the kid had to say about killing Jessica, then read that he did over free breakfast now that is a sign of mental disturbances. Put him in the mental institution for a long time see if he can be rehabilitated.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;32099948]Interesting take on that. You have the right to be a criminal, therefore choosing to forfeit your rights.While I rated you with a disagree, I only disagree partially. If we had a legal system where there was no jury for both civil and criminal trials, yes, I'd be leaning slightly against the death penalty. We do, however, have a criminal justice system that entitles somebody to a jury trial, thus being judged by your peers. This is fellow citizens deciding your fate, not the government.[/QUOTE]
The jury only decides whether the accused is guilty or not, they have no saying in the sentencing. And how does that make anything better? It's okay for your fellow man to vote to kill you but not the government? The government allows this to happen and they carry out the execution.
[editline]3rd September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;32097142]"Logically" you didn't read the post that post was quoting, but I won't call you an idiot because I'm not a fucking child. Yeah, you're not an idiot, but you are acting like a child. Anyway, if you had simply [i]followed the discussion like a reasonable adult[/i], rather than just reading my posts like a creeper, you would've seen that I addressed that issue. Specifically that if there was without any possible doubt somebody was guilty, the execution could proceed as scheduled without delay.
Next time, read the thread before posting and calling somebody else an idiot because you might just end up looking like the idiot yourself.[/QUOTE]
It's still more expensive than life in prison, so why do you need to kill them even if you are sure they're guilty? Even if there is no doubt someone is guilty, they still get appeals to review evidence or to bring it down to life.
And I called you an idiot because your "logical" thinking was not logical at all. But I do apologize.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;32097576]That chick's mom sounds like a psycho bitch.
I'm glad she has no political power at all.[/QUOTE]
Classic PvtCupcakes comment.
Its always nice when the Justice System delivers justice (Pun not intended).
I also wouldn't have had a problem if he got the Death Sentence either; I have no sympathy whatsoever to people who willingly take lives with no remorse or regret.
Goddamn this made me depressed. Especially the line where she was 'left in the pouring rain wearing the new clothes she had bought for the meeting'. I don't want to kill the fucker that killed her, I want him to suffer. She was very beautiful too.. how could a sane person do this to a girl like Rebecca??!
[QUOTE=skeligandrew;32080510]If I was a parent I would disown him.[/QUOTE]
No you wouldn't. If you can disown your own child without thinking twice, that proves you never really loved them.
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