That was... That was awful.
Some of the things Sarkeesian said were blatant two-dimensional lies, and they just presented it as truth. Christ.
[QUOTE=Valnar;46365573]But the thing is, the whole point she is making (and its better seen in the article she posted in her next tweet, because there is only so much you can say in a tweet) is that masculinity is possibly linked with mental illness. That these gender roles exacerbate or create issues within people and how that can be one explanation for why so many of these spree killers are disproportionately male.[/QUOTE]
It's one thing to say "maybe we should look at this closer, here's an article". It's another to say "this is the problem, if we don't address it now people WILL die"
I'm not against theorizing, I'm not against discussions. I am against unfound and unsupported assertions, which this is.
[QUOTE=Valnar;46365573]But the thing is, the whole point she is making (and its better seen in the article she posted in her next tweet, because there is only so much you can say in a tweet) is that masculinity is possibly linked with mental illness. That these gender roles exacerbate or create issues within people and how that can be one explanation for why so many of these spree killers are disproportionately male.[/QUOTE]
Saying masculinity is linked to mental illness is ridiculous. The vast majority of men are not mentally ill, you can say that men are more aggressive which would lead to more violent acts among those who are mentally unstable, but saying masculinity makes people mentally ill is silly.
To say masculinity causes mental illness would require a study which shows that men are more inclined to mental illness than women, but all she showed was that public shooters are overwhelmingly male.
[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;46365603]that wasn't that bad at all[/QUOTE]
It didn't seem bad, but it didn't seem great either imo. Really just felt like the age-old "girl gamer" discussion.
How is it hard to name 3 games? It just seemed like a very weird question to dodge.
[QUOTE=Psycho9182;46365628]How is it hard to name 3 games? It just seemed like a very weird question to dodge.[/QUOTE]
It's hard to name things you know nothing about
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;46365621]Saying masculinity is linked to mental illness is ridiculous. The vast majority of men are not mentally ill, you can say that men are more aggressive which would lead to more violent acts among those who are mentally unstable, but saying masculinity makes people mentally ill is silly.
To say masculinity causes mental illness would require a study which shows that men are more inclined to mental illness than women, but all she showed was that public shooters are overwhelmingly male.[/QUOTE]
First, to be clear, by masculinity I don't mean anything biological, rather social expectations of being a man.
Second, there have been studies on this kind of thing.
Here is one about depression with men.
[URL]http://westminsterresearch.wmin.ac.uk/3559/1/Emslie,_Ridge,_Ziebland_%26_Hunt_2006_final.pdf[/URL]
I know I've seen people even on this forum talk about how 'nobody' talks about issues that affect men such as depression and mental illness. Things such as not seeking help and not showing emotions because those things are seen as weak or feminine is exactly the kind of thing that toxic masculinity is.
video in article
[url]http://www.themarysue.com/watch-anita-sarkeesian-colbert-segment/[/url]
[B]"Ethics in journalism is not what is happening in any way, it is men going after women in really aggressive ways." - Anita Sarkeesian[/B]
[url]https://twitter.com/Adobe/status/524625011919708160[/url]
[url]http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2jguxg/the_guardian_accidentally_sent_out_an_internal/[/url]
[url]https://medium.com/@aquapendulum/reality-check-supplement-reading-for-historyofgamergate-com-graysons-relationships-308dc510c680[/url]
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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpmIrWqEUUU[/url]
everywhere i go, it's gamersgate discussion and warfare going around, I want to avoid it because all I see in it is stress and no sign of peace... Everytime I hear of her name, there is a massive fight everywhere and people answering the call of arms, This is nothing more then another TROY...
I'm not into the whole gamergate thing, but after watching the intro to the Cobert bit it seems to me like they don't really have any idea what it's even about. Isn't it more about journalistic ethics (whether you agree or not) than with the whole sexism thing?
[QUOTE=sgman91;46365860]I'm not into the whole gamergate thing, but after watching the intro to the Cobert bit it seems to me like they don't really have any idea what it's even about. Isn't it more about journalistic ethics (whether you agree or not) than with the whole sexism thing?[/QUOTE]
He just let her spew her lies.
[QUOTE=sgman91;46365860]I'm not into the whole gamergate thing, but after watching the intro to the Cobert bit it seems to me like they don't really have any idea what it's even about. Isn't it more about journalistic ethics (whether you agree or not) than with the whole sexism thing?[/QUOTE]
the whole thing is one side saying "its about integrity and ethics in games journalism" and the other saying "no actually its not"
[QUOTE=sgman91;46365860]I'm not into the whole gamergate thing, but after watching the intro to the Cobert bit it seems to me like they don't really have any idea what it's even about. Isn't it more about journalistic ethics (whether you agree or not) than with the whole sexism thing?[/QUOTE]
GG is divided into those who genuinely support the whole "let's fix journalism" thing and those who just use it as an excuse to attack feminists and SJWs.
Anti-GG only focuses on the latter and ignores the former.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;46364906]you see nothing wrong with jumping on an international tragedy to inject an unfounded and unsupported ideological claim
if I said "Is it a coincidence that 99% of suicide bombers are Muslim? Clearly there's a problem with Muslims which needs to be fixed."
Even if you're the kind of person who thinks a laughably simplistic blanket statement like that could ever possibly come close to actually accurately explaining the situation, you must realize that the same people fellating Anita would be tearing apart anyone something even remotely like that. Even if you don't see what makes that statement abhorrent, you must see the double standard.[/QUOTE]
That's absolutely not the same thing, the equivalent would be to suggest that radical Islam is a problem. She didn't say "the problem is men," she suggested that the problem was the toxic expectations of masculinity brought about by the patriarchy. It seems like you're taking it personally and interpreting it as an attack on men in general, but it's not that at all.
I just finished watching the entire interview and it was pretty cingeworthy. It reminded me of a bunch of old people sitting around pretending to know about "new-fangled" technology of which they have no clue, all the while Anita was there to pull the wool over their eyes.
[editline]29th October 2014[/editline]
Colbert was just completely out of his depth. His ignorance was the biggest thing on display.
Pertaining to this whole "Women are objectified and only used as sex objects in games", there are examples where this is clearly not the case, take ultra badass space bounty hunter Samus Aran for example.
[IMG]http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/article-1283351198677-0affeb5a000005dc-757733_636x333.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Tall Russian;46365949]Pertaining to this whole "Women are objectified and only used as sex objects in games", there are examples where this is clearly not the case, take ultra badass space bounty hunter Samus Aran for example. [Thumb]http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/article-1283351198677-0affeb5a000005dc-757733_636x333.jpg[/Thumb][/QUOTE]
Or Bayonetta
[QUOTE=sgman91;46365930]I just finished watching the entire interview and it was pretty cingeworthy. It reminded me of a bunch of old people sitting around pretending to know about "new-fangled" technology of which they have no clue, all the while Anita was there to pull the wool over their eyes.
[editline]29th October 2014[/editline]
Colbert was just completely out of his depth. His ignorance was the biggest thing on display.[/QUOTE]
I have a feeling Colbert knows what's going on but is still trying to make something entertaining for his less educated viewers.
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;46365952]Or Bayonetta[/QUOTE]
Did you just say Bayonetta is not sexualized?
I'm sorry, I think you need glasses.
[QUOTE=Manibogi;46365960]Did you just say Bayonetta is not sexualized?
I'm sorry, I think you need glasses.[/QUOTE]
sexualized=/=sex object
[QUOTE=Manibogi;46365960]Did you just say Bayonetta is not sexualized?
I'm sorry, I think you need glasses.[/QUOTE]
But she's not only just a sex object
[QUOTE=Manibogi;46365960]Did you just say Bayonetta is not sexualized?
I'm sorry, I think you need glasses.[/QUOTE]
Bayonetta is sexualized. But she is not a sexual object.
Which one is bad? The latter.
Bayonetta is the game that never stops giving because it is the perfect trap. People who are only interested in looking and sounding like they know what they are talking about and give a damn will always point at it and go "There's the problem!" Then the card is flipped and their argument is completely devastated with even the vaguest attempt to actual study it.
Oh, sorry, I misunderstood what you said.
Still, Bayonetta is the last character you should bring up in an argument over sexualized female characters.
[QUOTE=Manibogi;46365985]Oh, sorry, I misunderstood what you said.
Still, Bayonetta is the last character you should bring up in an argument over sexualized female characters.[/QUOTE]
Why? She's the perfect example of why sexualization is not a bad thing in context and a perfect example of strawman arguments used by sex negative feminists.
[QUOTE=Manibogi;46365985]Oh, sorry, I misunderstood what you said.
Still, Bayonetta is the last character you should bring up in an argument over sexualized female characters.[/QUOTE]
It isn't sexist to have a woman be sexualized. Women willingly sexualize themselves at the beach every day of the year. The point is that it's the woman's choice whether to be sexualized or not and how it's portrayed.
[QUOTE=Tall Russian;46365949]Pertaining to this whole "Women are objectified and only used as sex objects in games", there are examples where this is clearly not the case, take ultra badass space bounty hunter Samus Aran for example.
[IMG]http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/article-1283351198677-0affeb5a000005dc-757733_636x333.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Of course there are exceptions, she acknowledges that in her videos, the point is that the overwhelming majority of female representation in games isn't characters like Samus. One exception doesn't make the trend completely non-existent.
[QUOTE=Flyingman356;46366008]Of course there are exceptions, she acknowledges that in her videos, the point is that the overwhelming majority of female representation in games isn't characters like Samus. One exception doesn't make the trend completely non-existent.[/QUOTE]
The trend...?
[QUOTE=Flyingman356;46366008]Of course there are exceptions, she acknowledges that in her videos, the point is that the overwhelming majority of female representation in games isn't characters like Samus. One exception doesn't make the trend completely non-existent.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but she also makes characters like Bayonetta look like a bad thing despite Bayonetta being an amazing example of positive sexualization.
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