[QUOTE=J!NX;46364385]harassment only really causes people like Anita to play victim and thus win "I'm a victim" arguments and fans, anyways
if i was her you're damn right I would use "I've been getting death threats" to assert my arguments as true.[/QUOTE]
this, so much. i hate those twats but if they had half a brain they would keep their mouths shut instead of confirming pretty much everything she says about them. that alone tells you something is very wrong with the gaming community.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46364383]The only times I hear of her is when she's either being undeservedly criticized with insults or when she's being harassed.
Maybe she's not as important as you guys make her be??[/QUOTE]
you're not likely to see any pro-Anita news stories posted here, so if all you browse is FP then..
actually I've not seen any even outside of FP. The whole point is that Anita does something, people harass her for it (either because of things done in the past or because she did something slightly provoking again) and then she is the victim and everyone is victim bashing
[QUOTE=RichyZ;46364331]my argument is that her arguments made in the videos are flimsy, but her head is in the right place[/QUOTE]Herself, it is up for question. But her producer McIntosh, responsible for the bulk of her work on FemFreq, does not have his head on right at all, his arguments are disconnected, obtuse, and uninformed. As for her, the argument could be made that if your head is in the right place you won't willfully make blatantly false claims and bad arguments. One could argue that if your head is in the right place on an issue, you'd want it properly and fully explored in an honest manner.
[QUOTE]however, the amount of hate and harassment she has received because she made a series on videogames is hilariously disproportionate and shows that people are really fucked[/QUOTE]Yeah, getting rape and death threats are awful. But it does not excuse her own behavior either, neither is right, one is glaringly and obviously wrong, the other is wrong, but in a much more subdued manner. Neither justifies the other.
[QUOTE]also am i not allowed to voice my opinion on this high tension high stakes article!?[/QUOTE]Sure you are, but I'm not going to let them go unchecked if I see them.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;46364408]Did he say that she should be harassed?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=joshuadim;46364320]Hey guys I'm now a sociopath I like/want people to get constantly harassed for no reason hahahha
No fuck off. [B]I'm saying she deserves to be harassed for what I said.[/B] There's a legitimate fucking reason to the harassment she has received.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=joshuadim;46364248]Of course it doesn't warrant death threats. She just [B]deserves the harassment[/B] for stealing footage and lying to the funders of her project.[/QUOTE]
In a way I wonder if videogames being pushed back to a "fucking nerdy weirdo shit" in the grand scheme would actually impact the quality of the games themselves positively.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;46364330]The point is: If you want to see more women in videogames, support female developers. Women will have better representation if women design the videogames. Analogue is explicitly NON-ERO. In fact, the sequel has a song called "It's not ero!"[/QUOTE]
how people can say "there need to be more women in games!" and then call people weirdos and perverts for liking things made by women in games just fucking amazes me
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46364401]I personally would not do that. I don't know why you would want to give people bad reasons to believe you're right.[/QUOTE]
if no one gave her threats or harassed her no one would give a shit
people hated the song "Friday" and that hatred made it go viral because they showed all their friends it and were like "WOW THIS IS SO BAD"
[QUOTE=Banned?;46364396]She shouldn't be as important as she is but other people hold her up like some kind of feminist messiah ready to guide the masses to better video games.[/QUOTE]
Maybe they do, it's still not important or relevant at all, not to the size everyone involved turned her into.
It's just a woman with different opinions, even if they are flawed or despicable to you, there isn't this necessity to make her the spotlight of every insult and harassment.
That harassment is worse than her views and makes everyone who supports it a bad person, worse than what you claim her to be.
[QUOTE=Clavus;46364414]Even TotalBiscuit shuts off his YT comments because they're a fucking shitshow. And she has no obligation to reply to criticism of her work. If you feel ignored, ignore her in return.
The problem is that people care way too fucking much that they're being ignored.[/QUOTE]
No, TB shuts them off because he's paranoid. You can freely discuss his videos in his subreddit. What's more he doesn't disable ratings unlike Anita.
The Issue I take with Anita Sarkeesian is that by breaking out onto the colbert report, she is breaking out into the real world.
The internet, despite what people might have you believe, is not srs bznz. Anita can say what she wants on tumblr and youtube, and I actually don't care. We can all laugh about it over at [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/tumblrinaction/[/url]
however, when people with her toxic political ideology break out into the real world, things start actually happening.
I consider Sarkeesian to be on the opposite spectrum of Tea partiers. Equally crazy with crazy, radical views not grounded in reality. When tea partiers talk shit online, nobody cares. When tea partiers get elected to congress, the government shuts down.
Now I don't think this fallacious slippery slope will happen to the degree that the tea partiers did, but I do think that there is potential for a political ideology which appeals to young, stupid, college humanities students to take root and make my everyday life a bit more annoying.
Whether or not some of the things she says are valid she literally skyrocketed herself to fame by manipulating her viewers into paying her money she didn't need. Although death threats and other harassment is never the right course of action this psycho being broadcasted on a show that's normally pretty up and up is the [b]last[/b] thing the world needs
[QUOTE=Manibogi;46364425]shit[/QUOTE]
your whole argument is based around semantics and mindlessly insulting people
please stop
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;46363876]Her being respected by people who share her opinion as well as some level headed others who respect her opinion while not agreeing with it seems to have really propelled her to this level rather than /v/ whining about her.
And you're all bullshit if you think literally all of her rhetoric is incorrect. There is some misogyny in games, a lot of the gamers I experience are disgusting human beings in addition to be blind women hating retards but there are also plenty of examples of the opposite.[/QUOTE]
She's set herself up as a figure head yet doesn't do any sort of acceptance of critique which there are plenty. She hasn't played a single game in the kickstarter, took art without giving credit, took let's play footage without giving credit, her series was supposed to be done in 20 [B]fucking[/B] 12.
She doesn't take criticism, she doesn't allow or even respond to critique. As a god dam figure head, she's not only shady but also shit.
I care that her points have merit, I care because she's the only presenting it.
[QUOTE=Ridley;46364405]Both sides are at this point. After all threads that plagued Video and Flash Discussion, I see not one person has changed their view point in the slightest. It's always the same users.[/QUOTE]
I don't know how true that is. People like myself, who are opposed to her view on the principle of it being an uninformed view will happily come around, when she informs herself and does research. Many of the people who parrot her points, I do not feel like they've played the games she mentions or pay close enough attention to the context of many of her statements. To expect people to change their view when they can casually, and easily prove these arguments to be nothing but fluff and out of context bullshit is ridiculous.
I often see the arguments critical of her being ignored by those that support her and never confronted. Denied, but not debunked. That is not how you prove you're right in arguments.
[QUOTE=Manibogi;46364155]Yeah haha she's so dumb for thinking she could have serious debates about this topic right guys? Right?
Guys?[/QUOTE]
All things considered, yeah it kind of was dumb to expect intelligent debate on Youtube.
[QUOTE=papaya;46364457]your whole argument is based around semantics and ad hominem
please stop[/QUOTE]
My argument is "condoning harassment is pretty fucked up".
While I showed you the posts in which he said she deserves harassment you have made no effort to prove me that he does [I]not[/I] condone harassment, instead resorting to crying out "semantics" and "ad hominem" in a frankly pathetic attempt to shut me down.
You stop, please.
[QUOTE=Clavus;46364414]Even TotalBiscuit shuts off his YT comments because they're a fucking shitshow. And she has no obligation to reply to criticism of her work. If you feel ignored, ignore her in return.
The problem is that people care way too fucking much that they're being ignored.[/QUOTE]
Oh, right, because potentially influential work that can change the industry that I love so much should be ignored and allowed to have free reign. I forgot i'm not allowed to espouse criticism of a industry critic in a manner that might do anything at all.
Yes, I get that those comments are a shit show for everyone always. So why is it then that we cannot even have open form discussions about the topic in anyway? This series is lazily made and critique and a back and forth discussion would result in more competent and powerful change rather than what we currently have.
Why SHOULDN'T someone care that they have no voice?
Ok I just want to clear up a couple things since there have been misunderstandings
Yeah harassment hurts and shit, I know myself from experience I've been harassed so many times in real life and death threats ARE terrible, okay? I wanted to get that out of the way. It's just wrong to send someone a death threat over the internet due to your anonymity. My definition of harassment is different than your guys and I apologize for this because it makes me look bad. I should have said this earlier and I do kind of regret not saying anything about my view. (To be honest, I think I should take a look at my definition and see if it actually makes sense or not because the backlash so far has really put things into perspective).
But when shit like this is spouted out:
[IMG]http://puu.sh/cvJlv/22eaf39a4e.png[/IMG]
I get really fucking mad. I get mad that someone with this much influence on people can spout this kind of bullshit ya know? It makes me feel like she kind of deserve the backlash she's getting, but maybe it's my anger talking to be honest
I do have anger problems and, I think this applies to everyone, being angry makes you sometimes spout shit out.
I will shut up and leave the thread to open debate to other forum members
Hopefuly, she'll actually be asked about the shit behind all this gamergate drama of lately, and actually shown the dumb shit going on behind the anti-gg side instead of "oh look at you big gurl fighting interweb misoginy monsters, go get 'em! heres more money!"
Not holding my breath on it.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;46364444]The Issue I take with Anita Sarkeesian is that by breaking out onto the colbert report, she is breaking out into the real world.
The internet, despite what people might have you believe, is not srs bznz. Anita can say what she wants on tumblr and youtube, and I actually don't care. We can all laugh about it over at [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/tumblrinaction/[/url]
however, when people with her toxic political ideology break out into the real world, things start actually happening.
I consider Sarkeesian to be on the opposite spectrum of Tea partiers. Equally crazy with crazy, radical views not grounded in reality. When tea partiers talk shit online, nobody cares. When tea partiers get elected to congress, the government shuts down.
Now I don't think this fallacious slippery slope will happen to the degree that the tea partiers did, but I do think that there is potential for a political ideology which appeals to young, stupid, college humanities students to take root and make my everyday life a bit more annoying.[/QUOTE]
Her relationship with games is very much like Jack Thompson's. Except while calling Jack Thompson an idiot when he said something misinformed was par of the course, doing the same to Anita is a big no-no-how-dare-you. That is dangerous.
[QUOTE=pvt.jenkins;46363801]what's the big deal?[/QUOTE]
She's about as feminist as Pat Robertson is Christian.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;46364493]Ok I just want to clear up a couple things since there have been misunderstandings
Yeah harassment hurts and shit, I know myself from experience I've been harassed so many times in real life and death threats ARE terrible, okay? I wanted to get that out of the way. It's just wrong to send someone a death threat over the internet due to your anonymity. My definition of harassment is different than your guys and I apologize for this because it makes me look bad. I should have said this earlier and I do kind of regret not saying anything about my view. (To be honest, I think I should take a look at my definition and see if it actually makes sense or not because the backlash so far has really put things into perspective).
But when shit like this is spouted out:
[IMG]http://puu.sh/cvJlv/22eaf39a4e.png[/IMG]
I get really fucking mad. I get mad that someone with this much influence on people can spout this kind of bullshit ya know? It makes me feel like she kind of deserve the backlash she's getting, but maybe it's my anger talking to be honest
I do have anger problems and, I think this applies to everyone, being angry makes you sometimes spout shit out.
I will shut up and leave the thread to open debate to other forum members[/QUOTE]
Apologies accepted. Sorry for calling you a nut.
If you really didn't mean "harassment", then "backlash" or more specifically "criticism" are probably the words you're looking for.
I think we should wait and see what happens on the show before fighting over whether it's ruined or not.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;46364444]The Issue I take with Anita Sarkeesian is that by breaking out onto the colbert report, she is breaking out into the real world.[/QUOTE]
She grew because of the hatred she got. Worrying about her "leaking into the real world" is the result of the controversy people caused over something that didn't need it.
[QUOTE=Clavus;46364451]Haha, no.
This shit being on Colbert report will do some serious damage to the perception of gaming in the mainstream. We want this medium to grow, not shrink.[/QUOTE]
Really? I think games got considerably worse when they were no longer a niche market. I think it was the 360 that did it. Remember all the promotions for Halo 3 and Call of duty? Now it's for Destiny, but you get the idea. When everybody started playing FPS's, games got worse in general because the average person's standards aren't that high. There are, of course, good games still, but when the audience lowered the bar, publishers were no longer held accountable for good, finished content. When the general audience started playing, they were okay with day one DLC and other cash grabs, and the publishers are allowed to get away with it.
Ever notice how we complain about publishers pulling shit, but they keep doing it? It's because we're a minority.
I think indie games turned shit because of minecraft. After minecraft got big, you had thousands of games with the word "mine" or "craft" affixed to their titles, all about crafting and/or mining. But the worst contribution, other than these knockoffs, was that notch made a bunch of low-rate devs believe that it's okay to release a product "alpha" and then never finish it. Of course, there are great games that are alpha released (Rust and The Forest are my favorites), it became a huge business model for indie devs to hype a product, kickstart it, and then never finish the game since they got the money anyways.
If games were less mainstream, I think we'd have to sift through less shit to find the jewels.
I dislike Anita and think she's a moron, yet I don't think she should be harassed.
I also feel she always uses harassment to deflect criticism and get more attention for her videos basically making her a professional victim.
[QUOTE=Daemon White;46364517]I think we should wait and see what happens on the show before fighting over whether it's ruined or not.[/QUOTE]
I could almost bet its going the usual way.
Twisted completely to anti-gg sides
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.
