• Iran claims Bin Laden was dead long before raid
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[QUOTE=CjienX;29782277]You're the only person so far that's doubted Fox as a news source. Just because they pump out bullshit on a regular basis doesn't mean they can't print a good story, especially seeing how this is 10 years ago.[/QUOTE] I'm not doubting it, I'm saying most of the time anything that comes out of fox (usually a glaber thread) is considered right wing propaganda on facepunch. Except now when it's reporting the death of Osama 10 years ago you guys are not even questioning it.
[QUOTE=Jiyoon;29781533]Iran believes more conspiracy theories than glenn beck. [url=http://articles.cnn.com/2010-03-07/world/ahmadinejad.afghanistan_1_iranian-president-mahmoud-ahmadinejad-afghanistan-afghan-president-hamid-karzai?_s=PM:WORLD]9/11[/url] [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4527142.stm]Holocaust[/url] [url=http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/141350/20110504/iran-us-osama-israel.htm]Bin Laden[/url][/QUOTE] Wow, so Ahmadinijad [b]does[/b] deny the holocaust. It seemed a bit foggy, and although it was quite obvious he denies it due though this whole "revisiting the Holocaust" conference he made, it wasn't a concrete evidence. I really wasn't aware of him saying the things quoted in the BBC article. Thanks, rated informative.
lmfao look at this thread, 12 year olds going into mob mentality when anyone who questions the media posts gj being information seekers guys
[QUOTE=OvB;29782313]I'm not doubting it, I'm saying most of the time anything that comes out of fox (usually a glaber thread) is considered right wing propaganda on facepunch. Except now when it's reporting the death of Osama 10 years ago you guys are not even questioning it.[/QUOTE] Are you stupid? Why would we question a TEN YEAR OLD ARTICLE? Iran is implying that they have supporting evidence to prove that this article is correct, before it was just ignored
[QUOTE=CjienX;29782226]This isn't a scientific hypotheses. It's a matter of fact and fiction. He's either 10 years dead, ~2 weeks dead, or not dead at all. Until somebody shows some REAL proof, it's none of the above. A court doesn't just decide which side of the story they like better, they look at the facts and decide off of that. If I don't have any facts to work with, I don't have any verdict.[/QUOTE] Well, I thought about it. Makes sense. I don't know why, but I somehow got it so that you believed both of them were wrong, and that it had to be a third option. Then I reread your posts.
[QUOTE=Chrille;29782443]Well, I thought about it. Makes sense. I don't know why, but I somehow got it so that you believed both of them were wrong, and that it had to be a third option. Then I reread your posts.[/QUOTE] Not quite, just that until there's actual proof that he IS dead, I'm not ruling out that he's alive even if I don't believe that
Ok and when the administration finally releases any more photos or information they will still question it or come up with something new to be stupid about who cares.
[QUOTE=CjienX;29782489]Not quite, just that until there's actual proof that he IS dead, I'm not ruling out that he's alive even if I don't believe that[/QUOTE] Let me just ask, what exactly is considered proof that he's dead? What will it seriously take to convince you or anyone else to accept that he's actually dead?
I think if Al-Qaeda agrees that Osama is dead that's good enough for me.
Iran also says 911 is an inside job. Yeah I think they're full of shit.
[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;29789893]Let me just ask, what exactly is considered proof that he's dead? What will it seriously take to convince you or anyone else to accept that he's actually dead?[/QUOTE] You say that like we've already been provided proof. Trusting their word isn't proof, and there's no reason for them not to release proof. [editline]13th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;29784441]Ok and when the administration finally releases any more photos or information they will still question it or come up with something new to be stupid about who cares.[/QUOTE] You do the same thing with denying that I may be right. And no, if they released actual proof i'd believe it unless it was blatantly fake or I had a damn good reason to doubt it. [editline]13th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Saxon;29790037]Iran also says 911 is an inside job. Yeah I think they're full of shit.[/QUOTE] One opinion shouldn't reflect them as a whole, not to mention they say they acquired proof, not that they actually did anything.
[QUOTE=OvB;29782248]Are you actually using Fox as a valid source when 99% of the time FP is like "lol faux news is as trustworthy as the Sun!"[/QUOTE] Owned by the same guy.
[QUOTE=Lizard Of Guilt;29790119]Owned by the same guy.[/QUOTE] The New York Post would be closer to the US equivalent of The Sun.
[QUOTE=Lizard Of Guilt;29789948]I think if Al-Qaeda agrees that Osama is dead that's good enough for me.[/QUOTE] If the US government and Al-Qaeda say the same thing, then it's almost certainly true.
JUST TO KEEP THIS IN PERSPECTIVE Iran does not think the holocaust actually happened either.
[QUOTE=Mr.Dounut;29790409]JUST TO KEEP THIS IN PERSPECTIVE Iran does not think the holocaust actually happened either.[/QUOTE] And that's not at all relevant to them claiming to have obtained evidence that proves Osama died 10 years ago. If they end up releasing something that actually proves it will it be immediately dismissed purely because they have different views on different subjects?
[QUOTE=CjienX;29790076]You say that like we've already been provided proof. Trusting their word isn't proof, and there's no reason for them not to release proof.[/QUOTE] BUT what IS "[b]PROOF[/b]" then? What's considered proof is all I'm asking. What constitutes as proof to you?
[QUOTE=Starpluck;29777535]There was an article on it on it 10 years ago: [url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html[/url][/QUOTE] So suddenly Fox News is credible? :v:
[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;29790834]BUT what IS "[b]PROOF[/b]" then? What's considered proof is all I'm asking. What constitutes as proof to you?[/QUOTE] What the fuck do you think it is? Something that proves he's dead that isn't just their word
[QUOTE=TH89;29790858]So suddenly Fox News is credible? :v:[/QUOTE] Does seem a bit hypocritical.
[QUOTE=CjienX;29790871]What the fuck do you think it is? Something that proves he's dead that isn't just their word[/QUOTE] The U.S. says he's dead. Al-Qaeda says he's dead. Independent accounts confirm that there was a raid, in which a secret helicopter crashed and had to be destroyed, the congresspeople on the intelligence committee and the Speaker of the House, who has every reason to try to make Obama look bad, have all personally seen evidence. There's lots of reasons to think this ISN'T a lie--why risk a secret stealth helicopter on a fake raid? Why risk one of the biggest scandals in the nation's history for a pretty minor bump in poll numbers? Why try to to fake this in the face of the American news media, who have everything to gain from finding and publishing evidence it's a lie? Why strain relations with Pakistan over a nonexistent terrorist leader? The reasons go on and on, but what it comes down to is that the Obama administration had to take huge risks to go through with this operation, and they far outweigh any benefits of faking it. That's WITHOUT counting all the risks inherent to pulling a scam like this in the first place. At the moment I haven't heard anything resembling a persuasive argument that it's some kind of conspiracy beyond "pix or it didn't happen"
[QUOTE=CjienX;29790618]And that's not at all relevant to them claiming to have obtained evidence that proves Osama died 10 years ago. If they end up releasing something that actually proves it will it be immediately dismissed purely because they have different views on different subjects?[/QUOTE] What would be the US's motive for lying about it now?
[QUOTE=TH89;29790967]The U.S. says he's dead. Al-Qaeda says he's dead. Independent accounts confirm that there was a raid, in which a secret helicopter crashed and had to be destroyed, the congresspeople on the intelligence committee and the Speaker of the House, who has every reason to try to make Obama look bad, have all personally seen evidence. There's lots of reasons to think this ISN'T a lie--why risk a secret stealth helicopter on a fake raid? Why risk one of the biggest scandals in the nation's history for a pretty minor bump in poll numbers? Why try to to fake this in the face of the American news media, who have everything to gain from finding and publishing evidence it's a lie? Why strain relations with Pakistan over a nonexistent terrorist leader? The reasons go on and on, but what it comes down to is that the Obama administration had to take huge risks to go through with this operation, and they far outweigh any benefits of faking it. That's WITHOUT counting all the risks inherent to pulling a scam like this in the first place. At the moment I haven't heard anything resembling a persuasive argument that it's some kind of conspiracy beyond "pix or it didn't happen"[/QUOTE] So if all of that is true, why are they refusing to release proof? [editline]13th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=5killer;29790996]What would be the US's motive for lying about it now?[/QUOTE] No motive ≠ No crime
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791004]So if all of that is true, why are they refusing to release proof?[/quote] ... [QUOTE=CjienX;29791004]No motive ≠ No crime[/QUOTE] That's only true for crimes that require motive to prove, like murder. That is a ridiculous argument regarding Osama's death.
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791004]So if all of that is true, why are they refusing to release proof? [editline]13th May 2011[/editline] No motive ≠ No crime[/QUOTE] Whether or not photos were released at this point is irrelevant. There is [B]not one reason[/B] that the US could've/should've/would've lied about his death.
[QUOTE=IceBlizzard;29780221]And you can trust the US government that said North Vietnam attacked a US naval vessel in the Gulf of Tonkin and used this to launch a war that took some 60,000 american lives and millions of vietnamese lives. You can trust the government that said Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and launched a war in Afghanistan and Iraq and Pakistan and now even Colin Powell said it was all lies.[/QUOTE] Noticed how they were put in preferential order? As I said, Iran has no credibility in my view.
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791004]So if all of that is true, why are they refusing to release proof?[/QUOTE] They've provided extensive and very reasonable explanations of why they're not going to release photos. If they did people would just say THIS IS A SHOP LOOK AT THEHESE PIXLES
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791004]So if all of that is true, why are they refusing to release proof? [editline]13th May 2011[/editline] No motive ≠ No crime[/QUOTE] In what universe do you live in where such a big scandal would be carried out for absolutely no good reason
[quote]So if all of that is true, why are they refusing to release proof?[/quote] [quote]If they did people would just say THIS IS A SHOP LOOK AT THEHESE PIXLES[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TH89;29791050]They've provided extensive and very reasonable explanations of why they're not going to release photos. If they did people would just say THIS IS A SHOP LOOK AT THEHESE PIXLES[/QUOTE] What are you guys saying each time something the government is questioned? THIS IS A CONSPIRACY LOOK AT HOW STUPID IT SOUNDS [editline]13th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Tetracycline;29791093]In what universe do you live in where such a big scandal would be carried out for absolutely no good reason[/QUOTE] A universe where the government hides more than people think because the majority is so fucking ignorant they can get away with virtually anything
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