[QUOTE=CjienX;29791107]What are you guys saying each time something the government is questioned? THIS IS A CONSPIRACY LOOK AT HOW STUPID IT SOUNDS
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A universe where the government hides more than people think because the majority is so fucking ignorant they can get away with virtually anything[/QUOTE]
Uh, they wouldn't take such a big risk just for the hell of it
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791107]What are you guys saying each time something the government is questioned? THIS IS A CONSPIRACY LOOK AT HOW STUPID IT SOUNDS[/QUOTE]
Not every time, just when it's really stupid, like right now.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;29791136]Uh, they wouldn't take such a big risk just for the hell of it[/QUOTE]
Why not? If they just did they already have you blindly defending them
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[QUOTE=TH89;29791141]Not every time, just when it's really stupid, like right now.[/QUOTE]
Neither side released proof, I said I'm undecided until somebody does, not that I believe that the whole thing is a hoax or that he's still alive.
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791107]A universe where the government hides more than people think because the majority is so fucking ignorant they can get away with virtually anything[/QUOTE]
the government is out to get us brooooo
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[QUOTE=CjienX;29791145]Neither side released proof, I said I'm undecided until somebody does, not that I believe that the whole thing is a hoax or that he's still alive.[/QUOTE]
what proof do you want?
photos aren't going to be definitive proof to many - they're very easy to spoof in this day and age.
what do you want?
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791145]Why not? If they just did they already have you blindly defending them
[editline]13th May 2011[/editline]
Neither side released proof, I said I'm undecided until somebody does, not that I believe that the whole thing is a hoax or that he's still alive.[/QUOTE]
Blindly? Do you not see the evidence against your shitty and illogical conspiracy theorist dribble? I guess your people never fucking do, never do see the lack of logic in your arguments.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;29791162]the government is out to get us brooooo
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what proof do you want?
photos aren't going to be definitive proof to many - they're very easy to spoof in this day and age.
what do you want?[/QUOTE]
I want the god damn pictures or any other form of proof that isn't just their word how hard it it for you to comprehend that? Photos are easy to spoof, they also get found out when they're spoofed. If they released a real picture there wouldn't exactly be much to call out on being fake if there's no sign of it being edited
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[QUOTE=Tetracycline;29791183]Blindly? Do you not see the evidence against your shitty and illogical conspiracy theorist dribble? I guess your people never fucking do, never do see the lack of logic in your arguments.[/QUOTE]
All I see is words, words mean jack shit without proof.
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791107]What are you guys saying each time something the government is questioned? THIS IS A CONSPIRACY LOOK AT HOW STUPID IT SOUNDS
[editline]13th May 2011[/editline]
A universe where the government hides more than people think because the majority is so fucking ignorant they can get away with virtually anything[/QUOTE]
The government is some of the worst when it comes to hiding things.
Watergate, Wikileaks, etc...
There are so many people involved in government the amount of cover up is astronomical. This is one thing conspiracy theorists consistently ignore.
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791195]I want the god damn pictures or any other form of proof that isn't just their word how hard it it for you to comprehend that? Photos are easy to spoof, they also get found out when they're spoofed. If they released a real picture there wouldn't exactly be much to call out on being fake if there's no sign of it being edited
[editline]13th May 2011[/editline]
All I see is words, words means jack shit without proof.[/QUOTE]
Pictures can be edited too, does it really matter?
[QUOTE=5killer;29791205]The government is some of the worst when it comes to hiding things.
Watergate, Wikileaks, etc...
There are so many people involved in government the amount of cover up is astronomical. This is one thing conspiracy theorists consistently ignore.[/QUOTE]
The things that are hidden aren't found overnight, they're found because people don't conform to what everyone else believes like you are, and they go and dig up the proof.
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[QUOTE=captainHOE;29791207]Pictures can be edited too, does it really matter?[/QUOTE]
I literally JUST commented on that statement. Like you're literally answering my comment to that with the same statement.
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791224]The things that are hidden aren't found overnight, they're found because people don't conform to what everyone else believes like you are, and they go and dig up the proof.
[editline]13th May 2011[/editline]
I literally JUST commented on that statement. Like you're literally answering my comment to that with the same statement.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but I don't understand why does it matter, since pictures can be edited too and have the same credibility of words.
[QUOTE=captainHOE;29791242]Yeah, but I don't understand why does it matter, since pictures can be edited too and have the same credibility of words.[/QUOTE]
Pictures don't have close to the same credibility as words. I can tell you that I have a flying monkey caged in my room, until I take a picture of it the words mean jack shit.
And again, it matters because even though pictures can be edited, there are people that spend all their time faking pictures, they're good enough to tell an original picture from a fake. If they release a REAL picture, when people look at it they'll see that there are no hints that it's a fake. Even if people DO claim it's fake, once people who can reputably analyze it do, the rest of the people complaining are on par with birthers
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791266]Pictures don't have close to the same credibility as words. I can tell you that I have a flying monkey caged in my room, until I take a picture of it the words mean jack shit.
And again, it matters because even though pictures can be edited, there are people that spend all their time faking pictures, they're good enough to tell an original picture from a fake. If they release a REAL picture, when people look at it they'll see that there are no hints that it's a fake. Even if people DO claim it's fake, once people who can reputably analyze it do, the rest of the people complaining are on par with birthers[/QUOTE]
That isn't the same thing. The movie industry can make pictures of dead people look very real, and if the movie industry can - the government can tenfold. Thus, anything produced by the government (apart of videos, perhaps) has the same creditability. Either you accept all of it, or you don't.
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791145]Neither side released proof, I said I'm undecided until somebody does, not that I believe that the whole thing is a hoax or that he's still alive.[/QUOTE]
Here's the two sides:
"Osama Is Dead"
-The Obama administration, who took huge risks to carry out this operation and would be taking even huger risks to try to fake it, and who would get nothing out of it except a minor boost in poll numbers, which most pundits think isn't going to last very long.
-The numerous congressmen and women who serve on the intelligence committees, many of whom are Republicans and would have no reason to go along with a fraud perpetrated by the Obama administration, and every reason to try to expose it.
-The news media, who have a vested interest in reporting accurate information, and every reason to investigate legitimate leads that suggest the Obama administration is lying, if there are any.
-Al Qaeda, who have no reason to help the Obama administration perpetrate a fraud and every reason to try to expose it.
"Osama Is Not Dead/Was Dead 10 Years Ago"
-Random dudes on the internet.
-A few TV fringe commentators.
-A fundamentalist, Islamist rogue nation whose leaders have attended Holocaust-denial conferences and suggested that 9/11 was perpetrated by the U.S. government and who may be covertly developing nuclear weapons despite the objections of pretty much the entire world.
You are treating these two sides as of equal credibility when they really aren't in any way. It's like people who say they don't support creationism or evolution but think schools should "teach the controversy." There is no controversy. If there was, we would know.
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791195]I want the god damn pictures or any other form of proof that isn't just their word how hard it it for you to comprehend that? Photos are easy to spoof, they also get found out when they're spoofed. If they released a real picture there wouldn't exactly be much to call out on being fake if there's no sign of it being edited[/QUOTE]
Hahaha you haven't spent much time on the internet have you. People call EVERYTHING out for being "shopped" whether it's legitimate or not.
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791266]Pictures don't have close to the same credibility as words. I can tell you that I have a flying monkey caged in my room, until I take a picture of it the words mean jack shit.
And again, it matters because even though pictures can be edited, there are people that spend all their time faking pictures, they're good enough to tell an original picture from a fake. If they release a REAL picture, when people look at it they'll see that there are no hints that it's a fake. Even if people DO claim it's fake, once people who can reputably analyze it do, the rest of the people complaining are on par with birthers[/QUOTE]
We already confirmed this with DNA. How is [I]even that[/I] not concrete enough for you?
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791195]I want the god damn pictures or any other form of proof that isn't just their word how hard it it for you to comprehend that? Photos are easy to spoof, they also get found out when they're spoofed. If they released a real picture there wouldn't exactly be much to call out on being fake if there's no sign of it being edited[/QUOTE]
lol. Clearly you don't understand what lengths people will go to make shit up.
[QUOTE=TH89;29791295]Here's the two sides:
"Osama Is Dead"
-The Obama administration, who took huge risks to carry out this operation and would be taking even huger risks to try to fake it, and who would get nothing out of it except a minor boost in poll numbers, which most pundits think isn't going to last very long.
-The numerous congressmen and women who serve on the intelligence committees, many of whom are Republicans and would have no reason to go along with a fraud perpetrated by the Obama administration, and every reason to try to expose it.
-The news media, who have a vested interest in reporting accurate information, and every reason to investigate legitimate leads that suggest the Obama administration is lying, if there are any.
-Al Qaeda, who have no reason to help the Obama administration perpetrate a fraud and every reason to try to expose it.
"Osama Is Not Dead"
-Random dudes on the internet.
-A few TV fringe commentators.
-A fundamentalist, Islamist rogue nation whose leaders have attended Holocaust-denial conferences and suggested that 9/11 was perpetrated by the U.S. government. Oh yeah, and held U.S. citizens hostage.
You are treating these two sides as of equal credibility when they really aren't in any way. It's like people who say they don't support creationism or evolution but think schools should "teach the controversy." There is no controversy. If there was, we would know.[/QUOTE]
Actually, the two sides are "We killed him 2 weeks ago" and "He died 10 years ago"
You're putting him still being alive into the argument yourself. All I said on that was that I'm not going to rule it out until I see proof he's dead even though I don't believe it
[editline]13th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29791307]We already confirmed this with DNA. How is [I]even that[/I] not concrete enough for you?[/QUOTE]
Because the fucking test was performed by the government with absolutely nobody else to confirm any of what happened.
Seriously, name ONE thing that isn't purely word of mouth reporting that shows he's dead. [b]ONE[/b] thing that supplies sufficient proof that he's dead and I'll stop posting in GD\ITN.
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791314]Actually, the two sides are "We killed him 2 weeks ago" and "He died 10 years ago"
You're putting him still being alive into the argument yourself. All I said on that was that I'm not going to rule it out until I see proof he's dead even though I don't believe it[/QUOTE]
Okay, my bad, I edited it. Now will you respond to the actual point I was making?
Why don't you explain why you think so many different organizations with no reason to cooperate with each other (and, indeed, many reasons to try to embarrass each other) would be cooperating to perpetrate such a massive fraud that doesn't particularly benefit any of them very much.
[QUOTE=TH89;29791295]-The numerous congressmen and women who serve on the intelligence committees, many of whom are Republicans and would have no reason to go along with a fraud perpetrated by the Obama administration, and every reason to try to expose it.[/QUOTE]
This is an important but often overlooked point. There are a lot of people that would have to be in on this, and I can bet you that at least one, if not for their own honesty, but out of personal gain would reveal this. Can you imagine being the lone guy who stood up against a cover-up of this magnitude? Your re-election to whatever office you hold would be guaranteed and the public would view you as the one honest guy in a sea of deceit. People that would have to know this and go along with it would have everything to gain by revealing it, there's again [B]literally no reason to cover this up.[/B]
[editline]12th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791314]Because the fucking test was performed by the government with absolutely nobody else to confirm any of what happened.[/QUOTE]
Yet another group of people who would have to have agreed to not say anything.
[QUOTE=TH89;29791337]Okay, my bad, I edited it. Now will you respond to the actual point I was making?[/QUOTE]
Here's the proof we have
"Osama died 2 weeks ago"
-Word of mouth reporting
"Osama died 10 years ago"
-Word of mouth reporting
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791351]Here's the proof we have
"Osama died 2 weeks ago"
-Word of mouth reporting
"Osama died 10 years ago"
-Word of mouth reporting[/QUOTE]
Did you completely miss the part where [B]there was no reason to make this up?[/B]
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791351]Here's the proof we have
"Osama died 2 weeks ago"
-Word of mouth reporting
"Osama died 10 years ago"
-Word of mouth reporting[/QUOTE]
Why don't you explain why you think so many different organizations with no reason to cooperate with each other (and, indeed, many reasons to try to embarrass each other) would be cooperating to perpetrate such a massive fraud that doesn't particularly benefit any of them very much.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29791361]Did you completely miss the part where [B]there was no reason to make this up?[/B][/QUOTE]
Did you completely miss the part where [b]there was no reason to hide the proof of his death?[/b]
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791370]Did you completely miss the part where [b]there was no reason to hide the proof of his death?[/b][/QUOTE]
Actually, there were lots of reasons, which the White House has articulated clearly.
Why don't you explain why you think so many different organizations with no reason to cooperate with each other (and, indeed, many reasons to try to embarrass each other) would be cooperating to perpetrate such a massive fraud that doesn't particularly benefit any of them very much.
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791370]Did you completely miss the part where [B]there was no reason to hide the proof of his death?[/B][/QUOTE]
We've already gone over why there's no reason to make it up, and a cover-up of this magnitude not only carries an [B]ENORMOUS[/B] risk, but the amount of people you would have to convince to go along with it is unimaginable. If you look to my earlier post, I've even covered what any one of these people would stand to gain from revealing the cover-up.
Frankly why they didn't release the photos is irrelevant by this point.
[QUOTE=TH89;29791378]Actually, there were lots of reasons, which the White House has articulated clearly.[/QUOTE]
All of which were bullshit. There was also no reason to dump the body so quickly, but nothing suspicious there right? Like I said, one piece of proof and I'll go away, if you can't provide one piece of proof you're all even stupider than you're saying I am for blindly supporting something that you can't prove. I'm not saying you should be rebelling against them, I'm saying you shouldn't just blindly support it.
You are fooling yourself into making it seem suspicious. A common flaw with many conspiracy theories is throwing away evidence that defeats your view, and perceiving unimportant events into something that is important.
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791419]All of which were bullshit. There was also no reason to dump the body so quickly, but nothing suspicious there right? Like I said, one piece of proof and I'll go away, if you can't provide one piece of proof you're all even stupider than you're saying I am for blindly supporting something that you can't prove. I'm not saying you should be rebelling against them, I'm saying you shouldn't just blindly support it.[/QUOTE]
:aaaaa:
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791419]All of which were bullshit. There was also no reason to dump the body so quickly, but nothing suspicious there right? Like I said, one piece of proof and I'll go away, if you can't provide one piece of proof you're all even stupider than you're saying I am for blindly supporting something that you can't prove. I'm not saying you should be rebelling against them, I'm saying you shouldn't just blindly support it.[/QUOTE]
Thousands of times, this. Jesus christ you idiots truly believe whatever that's on the news and quickly turn your jacket depending on the opinion of the general public
[editline]13th May 2011[/editline]
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[QUOTE=CjienX;29791419]All of which were bullshit. There was also no reason to dump the body so quickly, but nothing suspicious there right? Like I said, one piece of proof and I'll go away, if you can't provide one piece of proof you're all even stupider than you're saying I am for blindly supporting something that you can't prove. I'm not saying you should be rebelling against them, I'm saying you shouldn't just blindly support it.[/QUOTE]
[b]And why don't you explain why you think so many different organizations with no reason to cooperate with each other (and, indeed, many reasons to try to embarrass each other) would be cooperating to perpetrate such a massive fraud that doesn't particularly benefit any of them very much.[/b]
(that's like the fourth or fifth time I've posted this. So far you've ignored it or refused to respond, so you're hardly in a position to accuse anyone of "blindly" asserting their position)
[QUOTE=Raiskauskone V2;29791469]Thousands of times, this. Jesus christ you idiots truly believe whatever that's on the news and quickly turn your jacket depending on the opinion of the general public
[editline]13th May 2011[/editline]
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Uh no, I follow evidence and rational thought.
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