[QUOTE=5killer;29791477]Uh no, I follow evidence and rational thought.[/QUOTE]
So where's the evidence you're following exactly?
[QUOTE=Raiskauskone V2;29791469]Thousands of times, this. Jesus christ you idiots truly believe whatever that's on the news and quickly turn your jacket depending on the opinion of the general public
[editline]13th May 2011[/editline]
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I'm not blindly following some media outlet or the White House in saying that was without suspicion, but there's still no reason to question that he was killed in the raid, given that, again, there was no reason to make it up.
[editline]12th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=TH89;29791474][b]And why don't you explain why you think so many different organizations with no reason to cooperate with each other (and, indeed, many reasons to try to embarrass each other) would be cooperating to perpetrate such a massive fraud that doesn't particularly benefit any of them very much.[/b]
(that's like the fourth or fifth time I've posted this. So far you've ignored it or refused to respond, so you're hardly in a position to accuse anyone of "blindly" asserting their position)[/QUOTE]
I'm with you here.
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791483]So where's the evidence you're following exactly?[/QUOTE]
Why don't you explain why you think so many different organizations with no reason to cooperate with each other (and, indeed, many reasons to try to embarrass each other) would be cooperating to perpetrate such a massive fraud that doesn't particularly benefit any of them very much.
(Gonna keep reposting this until you make an effort to engage in actual debate instead of shutting your eyes and shouting LALALA over anything that doesn't fit your 5-year-old's perception of world politics, you fucking baby)
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29791487]I'm not blindly following some media outlet or the White House in saying that was without suspicion, but there's still no reason to question that he was killed in the raid, given that, again, there was no reason to make it up.[/QUOTE]
Yes you are, you're believing something with absolutely no proof aside from the word from the white house and some media outlet.
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791483]So where's the evidence you're following exactly?[/QUOTE]
DNA tests, multiple confirmations by people who have nothing to gain by lying, basically everything TH89 has said.
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791498]Yes you are, you're believing something with absolutely no proof aside from the word from the white house and some media outlet.[/QUOTE]
It's not just the white house and some media outlet. It is every major news organization on the planet, entire governments and agencies, and even Al Qaeda themselves.
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791498]Yes you are, you're believing something with absolutely no proof aside from the word from the white house and some media outlet.[/QUOTE]
I'm believing it based on common sense, and I really feel like I'm beating a dead horse here, so I'll just ask one more time: [B]WHAT POSSIBLE REASON WOULD THERE BE TO MAKE THIS UP?[/B]
[QUOTE=TH89;29791496]Why don't you explain why you think so many different organizations with no reason to cooperate with each other (and, indeed, many reasons to try to embarrass each other) would be cooperating to perpetrate such a massive fraud that doesn't particularly benefit any of them very much.[/QUOTE]
I've had my questions ignored over the course of SEVERAL threads, how about you go back and answer all of those, then I'll answer it.
[editline]13th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=5killer;29791504]DNA tests, multiple confirmations by people who have nothing to gain by lying, basically everything TH89 has said.[/QUOTE]
Which has all 100% been word of mouth reporting coming from the white house.
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791508]I've had my questions ignored over the course of SEVERAL threads, how about you go back and answer all of those, then I'll answer it.[/QUOTE]
lol, shut the fuck up. Your position is completely untenable and you know it.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29791506]I'm believing it based on common sense, and I really feel like I'm beating a dead horse here, so I'll just ask one more time: [B]WHAT POSSIBLE REASON WOULD THERE BE TO MAKE THIS UP?[/B][/QUOTE]
Reasoning isn't fact. You're contradicting yourself now
[editline]13th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=TH89;29791514]lol, shut the fuck up.[/QUOTE]
lol, answer the fucking questions
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791508]I've had my questions ignored over the course of SEVERAL threads, how about you go back and answer all of those, then I'll answer it.
[editline]13th May 2011[/editline]
Which has all 100% been word of mouth reporting coming from the white house.[/QUOTE]
Just because the White House reported it doesn't mean it was done by the same group.
[editline]12th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791516]Reasoning isn't fact. You're contradicting yourself now[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying it's fact, I'm saying there's no reason to believe otherwise other than the mildly suspicious rapid dump of the body.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29791521]Just because the White House reported it doesn't mean it was done by the same group.[/QUOTE]
The body was dumped within 9 hours of being killed, there wasn't TIME for anybody else to be there. The identification and tests were all done while en route to the spot he was dumped.
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791508]I've had my questions ignored over the course of SEVERAL threads, how about you go back and answer all of those, then I'll answer it.[/QUOTE]
If you're going to hold grudges over the span of several different debates, maybe this isn't the game for you.
[QUOTE=Raiskauskone V2;29791469]Thousands of times, this. Jesus christ you idiots truly believe whatever that's on the news and quickly turn your jacket depending on the opinion of the general public[/QUOTE]
Nah, some people just use rational thought. Others don't know the meaning of rational.
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791516]lol, answer the fucking questions[/QUOTE]
Explain why you think so many different organizations with no reason to cooperate with each other (and, indeed, many reasons to try to embarrass each other) would be cooperating to perpetrate such a massive fraud that doesn't particularly benefit any of them very much.
If you do that, and then post a list of questions you have, I swear to god I will answer every one of them to the best of my ability. Seriously. Because I am capable of debating in good faith and making reasoned arguments. :)
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791534]The body was dumped within 9 hours of being killed, there wasn't TIME for anybody else to be there. The identification and tests were all done while en route to the spot he was dumped.[/QUOTE]
Okay, but what specifically about those tests makes them somehow invalid? Simply because they came from the White House?
[editline]12th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=TH89;29791546]If you do that, and then post a list of questions you have, I swear to god I will answer every one of them to the best of my ability. Seriously. Because I am capable of debating in good faith and making reasoned arguments. :)[/QUOTE]
I too enjoy measured, reasonable debate.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29791536]If you're going to hold grudges over the span of several different debates, maybe this isn't the game for you.[/QUOTE]
I'm not holding grudges, I'm using the same argument TH89 is genius. My questions were ignored by your side, so I'm ignoring questions until mine are answered.
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791568]I'm not holding grudges, I'm using the same argument TH89 is genius. My questions were ignored by your side, so I'm ignoring questions until mine are answered.[/QUOTE]
It's probably not a good idea to lump everyone who disagrees with you on certain subjects onto a 'side'.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29791548]Okay, but what specifically about those tests makes them somehow invalid? Simply because they came from the White House?
[editline]12th May 2011[/editline]
I too enjoy measured, reasonable debate.[/QUOTE]
No, because there's no confirmation that they're true because there was only one test done and it was only overlooked by the same people that could possibly be lying about it.
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791577] it was only overlooked by the same people that could possibly be lying about it.[/QUOTE]
This merely brings us back to the point I mentioned earlier: What do any of these people stand to gain by lying about this? It's like a crime case. If there's no reason or motive behind the person you think might be lying, they probably aren't lying.
[QUOTE=TH89;29791546]Explain why you think so many different organizations with no reason to cooperate with each other (and, indeed, many reasons to try to embarrass each other) would be cooperating to perpetrate such a massive fraud that doesn't particularly benefit any of them very much.
If you do that, and then post a list of questions you have, I swear to god I will answer every one of them to the best of my ability. Seriously. Because I am capable of debating in good faith and making reasoned arguments. :)[/QUOTE]
Using a smiley and making it seem like you're being reasonable doesn't change that I'm not answering anything until you answer the questions that I've been asking that have been ignored.
[editline]13th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29791587]This merely brings us back to the point I mentioned earlier: What do any of these people stand to gain by lying about this?[/QUOTE]
Which brings us to my point, if they have nothing to gain from lying why are they hiding the proof?
Okay, you're ignoring me again CjienX, so I'll give some ground here.
[b]If you post a list of your questions, and I answer them to the best of my ability, do you promise to answer this question, to the best of your ability?[/b]
[quote]why don't you explain why you think so many different organizations with no reason to cooperate with each other (and, indeed, many reasons to try to embarrass each other) would be cooperating to perpetrate such a massive fraud that doesn't particularly benefit any of them very much.[/quote]
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791592]Which brings us to my point, if they have nothing to gain from lying why are they hiding the proof?[/QUOTE]
Because they have a lot to lose by releasing the photos. Why is this hard to understand?
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791592]Which brings us to my point, if they have nothing to gain from lying why are they hiding the proof?[/QUOTE]
I don't have the answer as to why, but I find it more reasonable to believe a side that has no reason to lie about something than I do a side that does nothing but demand more evidence.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;29791608]Because they have a lot to lose by releasing the photos. Why is this hard to understand?[/QUOTE]
What the fuck do they have to lose? They're proving that he's dead.
[QUOTE=TH89;29791604]Okay, you're ignoring me again CjienX, so I'll give some ground here.
[b]If you post a list of your questions, and I answer them to the best of my ability, do you promise to answer this question, to the best of your ability?[/b][/QUOTE]
How very amicable of you.
[editline]12th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791621]What the fuck do they have to lose? They're proving that he's dead.[/QUOTE]
Well didn't even Al-Qaeda admit that he had died?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29791612]I don't have the answer as to why, but I find it more reasonable to believe a side that has no reason to lie about something than I do a side that does nothing but demand more evidence.[/QUOTE]
So as a person that claims you go by facts, you'd rather go with the side that seems more reasonable then to take a neutral until you see proof from one side?
Glad to see you stick to your standards
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29791624]How very amicable of you.[/QUOTE]
I know, right? I'm placing all my trust in this CjienX character's sense of fair debate and rational discussion. I hope he agrees!
[editline]13th May 2011[/editline]
Nope, he's ignoring me again.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29791624]How very amicable of you.
[editline]12th May 2011[/editline]
Well didn't even Al-Qaeda admit that he had died?[/QUOTE]
They didn't admit he was dead, they vowed they'd attack us in retaliation which they'd do regardless of if we killed him.
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791636]So as a person that claims you go by facts, you'd rather go with the side that seems more reasonable then to take a neutral until you see proof from one side?
Glad to see you stick to your standards[/QUOTE]
I go with that side in the sense that I lean towards believing it.
[editline]12th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=CjienX;29791646]They didn't admit he was dead, they vowed they'd attack us in retaliation which they'd do regardless of if we killed him.[/QUOTE]
Ah, I see. Additionally, if you could address TH89's proposal (he did propose it quite nicely), that'd be great.
[QUOTE=TH89;29791640]I know, right? I'm placing all my trust in this CjienX character's sense of fair debate and rational discussion. I hope he agrees!
[editline]13th May 2011[/editline]
Nope, he's ignoring me again.[/QUOTE]
Or, you know, maybe I'm getting the questions. But if you can't even replicate the patience of a toddler I'm not going to even bother.
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