Outrage in Delhi after woman brutally gang raped on bus - protesters clash with police amid calls fo - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;38936207]the appeals aren't what takes so long. it's waiting for the appeals. they waste a lot of time, I don't know exactly how to fix it but I know it can be better. OBVIOUSLY I'm not suggesting we execute people without trials, it seems to me that almost half the people who get arrested haven't done anything wrong. I'm just saying leaving people on deathrow for decades at a time is stupid.[/QUOTE] It takes decades because we have a system in place that decides that someone can only be executed when there is as much as an absolute certainty that the are guilty that the legal system is capable of being. Doing absolutely anything to streamline death row is a disgusting goal.

let's be perfectly honest, this wasn't a [I]legitimate[/I] gang rape if it was [I]legitimately[/I] rape then the female body has natural response mechanisms that would stop a rape from [I]actually[/I] occurring, so clearly she wanted it god, doesn't anyone listen to todd akin

[QUOTE=Boxbot219;38936439]It takes decades because we have a system in place that decides that someone can only be executed when there is as much as an absolute certainty that the are guilty that the legal system is capable of being. Doing absolutely anything to streamline death row is a disgusting goal.[/QUOTE] ok, well I've seen multiple people get executed with almost zero evidence before. the system isn't working very well, is it?

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;38936623]ok, well I've seen multiple people get executed with almost zero evidence before. the system isn't working very well, is it?[/QUOTE] Well good job. You just explained exactly why the government, which is run by human beings who are quite capable of making mistakes, shouldn't have access to a system that puts people to death. I have never supported the death penalty.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;38934046]"This world belongs to women" Ugh...[/QUOTE] You'll notice how the women's head is blocking the word "too" on that sign

[QUOTE=Boxbot219;38936700]Well good job. You just explained exactly why the government, which is run by human beings who are quite capable of making mistakes, shouldn't have access to a system that puts people to death. I have never supported the death penalty.[/QUOTE] do you think living in a cage your entire life, eating scraps, and getting beaten and raped everyday is better than death? if the government wants you dead, you're going to die. legally or not. they don't need the death penalty to execute people, they've proven that many times. only point I ever tried to make was that someone participating in a brutal gang rape of an innocent woman is not undeserving of death.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;38936818]do you think living in a cage your entire life, eating scraps, and getting beaten and raped everyday is better than death? if the government wants you dead, you're going to die. legally or not. they don't need the death penalty to execute people, they've proven that many times. only point I ever tried to make was that someone participating in a brutal gang rape of an innocent woman is not undeserving of death.[/QUOTE]I am so sick of this argument. You are trying to refute my argument by telling me that prison conditions are horrible. These kinds of prison conditions are the very reason we have so many petty criminals become hardened violent criminals when they do their time. How about instead of being complacent with our awful prison system and suggesting the death penalty as a better alternative we actually fix shit instead?

Good. They need to be executed. Shows that India has progressed a lot from "Untouchables are not allowed to eat and are legitimate targets for rape" to "Put down those monsters!". Good on them.

Talk about a "bumpy" ride. Real women enjoy it for what it's worth. EDIT: come at me Bro! [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling or dumb" - verynicelady))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=FrankOfArabia;38936894]Good. They need to be executed. Shows that India has progressed a lot from "Untouchables are not allowed to eat and are legitimate targets for rape" to "Put down those monsters!". Good on them.[/QUOTE]Explain exactly why they [b]need[/b] to be executed. What exactly does killing a rapist accomplish that justifies the existence of a death penalty system where mistakes can be made to kill an innocent person?

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;38936623]ok, well I've seen multiple people get executed with almost zero evidence before. the system isn't working very well, is it?[/QUOTE] Yay anecdotal evidence.

[QUOTE=Boxbot219;38936939]Explain exactly why they [b]need[/b] to be executed. [/QUOTE] You don't want his explanation. Trust me.

[QUOTE=Boxbot219;38936859]I am so sick of this argument. You are trying to refute my argument by telling me that prison conditions are horrible. These kinds of prison conditions are the very reason we have so many petty criminals become hardened violent criminals when they do their time. How about instead of being complacent with our awful prison system and suggesting the death penalty as a better alternative we actually fix shit instead?[/QUOTE] what, by giving a paradise to criminals? prison is supposed to be horrible, that's the entire purpose of having it in the first place. honestly, I can't see any meaningful change happening in my lifetime, but I think if we were to fight for something it should be keeping people who don't deserve prison out of prison, not making it livable in case an innocent person get's convicted. I was never trying to make a point for or against any government systems. once again, all I was saying is that someone who views life in such a way that they're capable of raping an innocent woman is better off dead. it's alarming to me that someone can rate that sentiment ''dumb''.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;38937066]what, by giving a paradise to criminals? prison is supposed to be horrible, that's the entire purpose of having it in the first place. honestly, I can't see any meaningful change happening in my lifetime, but I think if we were to fight for something it should be keeping people who don't deserve prison out of prison, not making it livable in case an innocent person get's convicted. I was never trying to make a point for or against any government systems. once again, all I was saying is that someone who views life in such a way that they're capable of raping an innocent woman is better off dead. it's alarming to me that someone can rate that sentiment ''dumb''.[/QUOTE] What is reformation

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;38937066]what, by giving a paradise to criminals? prison is supposed to be horrible, that's the entire purpose of having it in the first place. honestly, I can't see any meaningful change happening in my lifetime, but I think if we were to fight for something it should be keeping people who don't deserve prison out of prison, not making it livable in case an innocent person get's convicted. I was never trying to make a point for or against any government systems. once again, all I was saying is that someone who views life in such a way that they're capable of raping an innocent woman is better off dead. it's alarming to me that someone can rate that sentiment ''dumb''.[/QUOTE] Your view on how such an awful prison system is a good thing is incredibly dumb, so yes you have earned every dumb rating you get. Again I ask you are you aware that a prison system like that only serves to breed more violent criminals right? There is an enormous problem when criminals feel safer in a prison gang then they do under the eye of the prison guards. This creates a sentiment that the law won't protect them, so why should they obey the law? Please get yourself a reality check.

Poor woman. I'm glad they're taking to the streets in anger. Shit needs to change if a woman can get gang-raped for an hour [I]in a moving bus[/I]. [QUOTE=Bruhmis;38935011]and then that woman's tax dollars pay to feed, clothe and shelter the men who raped her.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Bruhmis;38936818]do you think living in a cage your entire life, eating scraps, and getting beaten and raped everyday is better than death?[/QUOTE] what are you doing First you're implying that her tax dollars are going into giving the men a good life that's paid for them, so it's better to kill them so that we're not nice to them. And now you're implying that prison life (the one tax dollars would be paying for) is absolutely horrible, so it's better to kill them so that we're being nice to them. Again: [I]what are you doing[/I]

[QUOTE=Ericson666;38937129]What is reformation[/QUOTE] I have a feeling you're the rapist rating all my posts, hope I'm right.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;38937177]I have a feeling you're the rapist rating all my posts, hope I'm right.[/QUOTE] I have a feeling your a psychopathic murderer trying to sate your bloodlust by supporting the death penalty. See I can make posts as dumb as your's too.

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;38934077]you're tempting fate bub[/QUOTE] hehe SaniuS squad *farts* stop making posts like these dude

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;38937177]I have a feeling you're the rapist rating all my posts, hope I'm right.[/QUOTE] uhhhhhh amazing argument, love the ad hominem. And do you really think we should lock anyone who commits any crime in a crime against humanity style prison? Also lol caring about ratings

[QUOTE=Last or First;38937173]Poor woman. I'm glad they're taking to the streets in anger. Shit needs to change if a woman can get gang-raped for an hour [I]in a moving bus[/I]. what are you doing First you're implying that her tax dollars are going into giving the men a good life that's paid for them, so it's better to kill them so that we're not nice to them. And now you're implying that prison life (the one tax dollars would be paying for) is absolutely horrible, so it's better to kill them so that we're being nice to them. Again: [I]what are you doing[/I][/QUOTE] I said none of the sort. I said her tax dollars would feed, clothe and shelter them. nowhere did I imply that I viewed this as a good life. once again, it was a point against people who have qualms with the concept of the death penalty. maybe you think life in prison is more efficient, I'm not really interested in debating that. like I've said about 5 times now, the only point I tried to make is *someone capable of brutally raping an innocent girl for no reason other than to satisfy their self would be a just recipient of punishment by death*. I seriously can't tell if people actually disagree with that or if you're just mad because you think I'm trying to defend the government's use of the death penalty. [editline]22nd December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Ericson666;38937227]uhhhhhh amazing argument, love the ad hominem. And do you really think we should lock anyone who commits any crime in a crime against humanity style prison? Also lol caring about ratings[/QUOTE] I'm not arguing with you, you just seem like the type of person who would watch this thread and wait for me to post something so you can rate it dumb. and I prefer that reality over one where people actually think that a rapist should be free to live his life after he's done something like this. I really don't care about ratings, but until now I thought we were a generally anti-rape society. [editline]22nd December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Boxbot219;38937211]I have a feeling your a psychopathic murderer trying to sate your bloodlust by supporting the death penalty. See I can make posts as dumb as your's too.[/QUOTE] I just really don't like that guy.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;38937333]I said none of the sort. I said her tax dollars would feed, clothe and shelter them. nowhere did I imply that I viewed this as a good life. once again, it was a point against people who have qualms with the concept of the death penalty. maybe you think life in prison is more efficient, I'm not really interested in debating that. like I've said about 5 times now, the only point I tried to make is *someone capable of brutally raping an innocent girl for no reason other than to satisfy their self would be a just recipient of punishment by death*. I seriously can't tell if people actually disagree with that or if you're just mad because you think I'm trying to defend the government's use of the death penalty.[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter how much someone is considered to be deserving of death. What matters is when is it ever ok for someone to have the right to kill someone when it isn't an act of self defense? The death penalty takes a prisoner, someone who is contained and no longer a threat to society, and just kills them for no real purpose other than to sate some sort of lust for criminal blood, because the only justification I have ever seen for the death penalty that doesn't involve money is that the people who are killed in it deserve it. [QUOTE=Bruhmis;38937333] I just really don't like that guy.[/QUOTE] I don't really like some people too. But I don't go around calling people rapists and murderers and whatever labels people get for committing heinous crimes.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;38937333]I said none of the sort. I said her tax dollars would feed, clothe and shelter them. nowhere did I imply that I viewed this as a good life. once again, it was a point against people who have qualms with the concept of the death penalty. maybe you think life in prison is more efficient, I'm not really interested in debating that. like I've said about 5 times now, the only point I tried to make is *someone capable of brutally raping an innocent girl for no reason other than to satisfy their self would be a just recipient of punishment by death*. I seriously can't tell if people actually disagree with that or if you're just mad because you think I'm trying to defend the government's use of the death penalty.[/QUOTE] Your view of a just death is based on your own lust for revenge. A justice system shouldn't be based on revenge, because revenge isn't justice, and revenge does not make you a better human being. I live in a country where the criminal prosecution system is based on rehabilitation. Instead of wasting a human life like some kind of savage or tossing them in a place to rot, my government actually tries to turn them into better people, and it works too. But if it doesn't work, at least they're in a place where they can't do more harm. I am not old enough to pay taxes yet, but when I do grow old enough, I will happily pay, knowing that the government is doing the right thing.

[QUOTE=Boxbot219;38937493]It doesn't matter how much someone is considered to be deserving of death. What matters is when is it ever ok for someone to have the right to kill someone when it isn't an act of self defense? The death penalty takes a prisoner, someone who is contained and no longer a threat to society, and just kills them for no real purpose other than to sate some sort of lust for criminal blood, because the only justification I have ever seen for the death penalty that doesn't involve money is that the people who are killed in it deserve it. I don't really like some people too. But I don't go around calling people rapists and murderers and whatever labels people get for committing heinous crimes.[/QUOTE] ok, well he's arguing that rape isn't as bad as I claim it is, so I said I had a FEELING he might be a rapist. people have been called rapists for much less valid reasons. ''when is it ever ok for someone to have the right to kill someone when it isn't an act of self defense?'' well, this is where our opinions differ. I think there are things people can do wherein doing said things, they forfeit their humanity. the way I see it, there are actions that can justify death as a punishment. I'm not someone who takes the subject lightly, for that reason I don't eat animals and I'm haunted by the fact that I ever did. but humans are capable of doing horrific things. [editline]22nd December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=UnknownDude;38937495]Your view of a just death is based on your own lust for revenge. A justice system shouldn't be based on revenge, because revenge isn't justice, and revenge does not make you a better human being. I live in a country where the criminal prosecution system is based on rehabilitation. Instead of wasting a human life like some kind of savage or tossing them in a place to rot, my government actually tries to turn them into better people, and it works too. But if it doesn't work, at least they're in a place where they can't do more harm. I am not old enough to pay taxes yet, but when I do grow old enough, I will happily pay, knowing that the government is doing the right thing.[/QUOTE] it has nothing to do with revenge, I've never been sexually abused. the idea of criminal rehabilitation is great, but that doesn't change the fact that perfectly sane people do horrible things for no reason other than to further their own agenda. even if that agenda is as small scale as forced sex with a stranger.

Rape and violence should be 5 years in prison max. I mean it sucks and leaves you emotionally scarred, but life in prison or death is way way to much of a punishment. It isnt that bad.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;38937560]I think there are things people can do wherein doing said things, they forfeit their humanity. the way I see it, there are actions that can justify death as a punishment. I'm not someone who takes the subject lightly, for that reason I don't eat animals and I'm haunted by the fact that I ever did. but humans are capable of doing horrific things.[/QUOTE] You can't really forfeit your humanity. And nothing justifies death as a form of punishment. Killing someone who is an immediate threat to others is justified. Killing someone who is locked in a large cage isn't.

[QUOTE=Boxbot219;38937683]You can't really forfeit your humanity. And nothing justifies death as a form of punishment. Killing someone who is an immediate threat to others is justified. Killing someone who is locked in a large cage isn't.[/QUOTE] I disagree.

Death penalty ain't gonna do nothin'. Give them a life sentence, let the poor bastards suffer.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;38937690]I disagree.[/QUOTE] So you really think that the existence of the death penalty is justified because a rapist or whoever you would consider to be deserving of death can be killed by it? I ask you this because you claim that you don't actually support the government using the death penalty, but killing someone who you consider deserving of it is the very essence of the death penalty.

Maybe the weirdness has kicked in, but making death "the most horrific punishment anyone could bare to face"... is kind of sad. We're all going to die. Yet we treat the inevitability as objectively the worst possible thing. If anything, death would probably be an escape for those who are mentally unstable. Think about it, would you like to a live a life with horrific things going through your mind 24/7 or claim peace by dying in such a way that you're happy to rather than suicide. May not make sense now... but one day.