Outrage in Delhi after woman brutally gang raped on bus - protesters clash with police amid calls fo - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Boxbot219;38937746]So you really think that the existence of the death penalty is justified because a rapist or whoever you would consider to be deserving of death can be killed by it? I ask you this because you claim that you don't actually support the government using the death penalty, but killing someone who you consider deserving of it is the very essence of the death penalty.[/QUOTE] I didn't say I didn't support the government using the death penalty, I said that I'm aware they can abuse it. I don't support the existence of governments as we know them at all, the death penalty isn't the problem. to answer your question, yes I think death penalty CAN be justified.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;38938082]I didn't say I didn't support the government using the death penalty, I said that I'm aware they can abuse it. I don't support the existence of governments as we know them at all, the death penalty isn't the problem. to answer your question, yes I think death penalty CAN be justified.[/QUOTE] How can the death penalty be justified in the hands of those that can make mistakes? Just a heads up, the only way the death penalty can ever be infallible is if the people who run it somehow became infallible, which will never happen. So either you support the death penalty as the fallible entity it is or you don't, because an infallible death penalty is impossible.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;38934139] Okay, that is fucking disturbing. Almost 2 rapes a day![/QUOTE] Well it does have a population of some 15 million and a generally strong patriarchal view in indian society. Not to mention there are about one million less females in Delhi than there are males. That can cause long term issues as well. WIth that in mind the number isn't that surprising.

Bruhmis: the problem with the death penalty for rapists isn't because they don't deserve to die. In my opinion, they [I]do[/I] deserve to die, but there are various problems with allowing the death penalty. 1) It sets a dangerous precedent to legally allow people to kill someone in a non-self-defense situation. 2) Innocents get caught in the death penalty due to human error. This is unacceptable. 3) Having the penalty for rape be worse than or equal to the penalty for murder doesn't decrease the amount of rapes, but does increase the percentage of rapes that become rape-murders. 4) I'm having a hard time thinking of how to explain this, but here's an example: just because Fred Phelps deserves to be punched in the face doesn't mean that it's okay to do so. As for why it's right to rehabilitate rapists instead of focusing on punishing them (once you take the death penalty out of the equation): focusing on rehabilitation instead of revenge is actually [I]scientifically[/I] better. Countries that focus on rehabilitating criminals instead of punishing them have lower rates of return for criminals. Plus, think about it like this: with the death penalty, you go from 1 bad person to nothing, but you also have a lot of things wrong with this that I explained before, so this is the worst choice. With simply punishing them, you don't change anything, you go from 1 bad person to 1 bad person. With rehabilitation, though, you go from 1 bad person to 1 [I]good[/I] person. Instead of focusing on punishing the rapist, isn't it better to turn them into a good person and have them repent for the rest of their life? And if rehab doesn't work for someone, we keep them in prison where they can't hurt anyone outside. [QUOTE=taipan;38937613]Rape and violence should be 5 years in prison max. I mean it sucks and leaves you emotionally scarred, but life in prison or death is way way to much of a punishment. It isnt that bad.[/QUOTE] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_and_aftermath_of_rape]Get.[/url] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_trauma_syndrome]Out.[/url] [url=http://rainn.org/get-information/effects-of-sexual-assault]Now.[/url]

[QUOTE=taipan;38937613]Rape and violence should be 5 years in prison max. I mean it sucks and leaves you emotionally scarred, but life in prison or death is way way to much of a punishment. It isnt that bad.[/QUOTE] i agree no death penalty but 5 years seems like a slap on the wrist for rape

[QUOTE=Boxbot219;38938278]How can the death penalty be justified in the hands of those that can make mistakes? Just a heads up, the only way the death penalty can ever be infallible is if the people who run it somehow became infallible, which will never happen. So either you support the death penalty as the fallible entity it is or you don't, because an infallible death penalty is impossible.[/QUOTE] I'm fairly certain you didn't even read what you responded to because you've shown much better comprehension skills up until now. you're basically just repeating what I said. the concept of the death penalty is not the problem, it's the fact that it's used by corrupt politicians to kill innocent people. they don't need the death penalty for that, it just makes it easier. in this case, corruption doesn't matter because we're certain of the crimes these people committed and (in my opinion) they fully deserve the death penalty. I was NEVER debating the effectiveness or moral merit of the death penalty, like I've stated many times, the point is, these people did something that warrants death in my eyes.

[QUOTE=Last or First;38938482]Bruhmis: the problem with the death penalty for rapists isn't because they don't deserve to die. In my opinion, they [I]do[/I] deserve to die, but there are various problems with allowing the death penalty. 1) It sets a dangerous precedent to legally allow people to kill someone in a non-self-defense situation. 2) Innocents get caught in the death penalty due to human error. This is unacceptable. 3) Having the penalty for rape be worse than or equal to the penalty for murder doesn't decrease the amount of rapes, but does increase the percentage of rapes that become rape-murders. 4) I'm having a hard time thinking of how to explain this, but here's an example: just because Fred Phelps deserves to be punched in the face doesn't mean that it's okay to do so. As for why it's right to rehabilitate rapists instead of focusing on punishing them (once you take the death penalty out of the equation): focusing on rehabilitation instead of revenge is actually [I]scientifically[/I] better. Countries that focus on rehabilitating criminals instead of punishing them have lower rates of return for criminals. Plus, think about it like this: with the death penalty, you go from 1 bad person to nothing, but you also have a lot of things wrong with this that I explained before, so this is the worst choice. With simply punishing them, you don't change anything, you go from 1 bad person to 1 bad person. With rehabilitation, though, you go from 1 bad person to 1 [I]good[/I] person. Instead of focusing on punishing the rapist, isn't it better to turn them into a good person and have them repent for the rest of their life? And if rehab doesn't work for someone, we keep them in prison where they can't hurt anyone outside. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_and_aftermath_of_rape]Get.[/url] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_trauma_syndrome]Out.[/url] [url=http://rainn.org/get-information/effects-of-sexual-assault]Now.[/url][/QUOTE] Rape is worse then murder, in my opinion. Murder kills someone inside and out, and releases them from the pain the killer caused them. Rape (and torture and kidnapping) seem worse to me, as they kill the victim inside, but leave them alive so that they can fester and rot emotionally, leaving them wretched and pitiful. Rapists are just the epitome of human scum that deserve fates worse then death.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;38934046]"This world belongs to women" Ugh...[/QUOTE] So they can rape all the men they like. I hope I brought my Rape-X on my ass.

The point of any civilized prison system is rehabilitation. You have to get an offender to understand what they did was wrong, and that they should not do it again. Yes, they do have to be separated from society, but only until they are judged, hopefully by some sort of board of highly qualified psychologists or something along those lines, fit to be reintroduced to society. And if someone just can't be rehabilitated, as there are some cases in which they can't, then you try to find out [I]why[/I] they are like that. What happened, what part of their life caused them to irreparably change. Just killing them solves literally nothing but sating the bloodlust and knee-jerk anger of a select few. To live in a free and equal civilized society, but to allow our governing power to execute people at it's whim, then there is something fundamentally wrong with that society.

[QUOTE=Last or First;38938482]Bruhmis: the problem with the death penalty for rapists isn't because they don't deserve to die. In my opinion, they [I]do[/I] deserve to die, but there are various problems with allowing the death penalty. 1) It sets a dangerous precedent to legally allow people to kill someone in a non-self-defense situation. 2) Innocents get caught in the death penalty due to human error. This is unacceptable. 3) Having the penalty for rape be worse than or equal to the penalty for murder doesn't decrease the amount of rapes, but does increase the percentage of rapes that become rape-murders. 4) I'm having a hard time thinking of how to explain this, but here's an example: just because Fred Phelps deserves to be punched in the face doesn't mean that it's okay to do so. As for why it's right to rehabilitate rapists instead of focusing on punishing them (once you take the death penalty out of the equation): focusing on rehabilitation instead of revenge is actually [I]scientifically[/I] better. Countries that focus on rehabilitating criminals instead of punishing them have lower rates of return for criminals. Plus, think about it like this: with the death penalty, you go from 1 bad person to nothing, but you also have a lot of things wrong with this that I explained before, so this is the worst choice. With simply punishing them, you don't change anything, you go from 1 bad person to 1 bad person. With rehabilitation, though, you go from 1 bad person to 1 [I]good[/I] person. Instead of focusing on punishing the rapist, isn't it better to turn them into a good person and have them repent for the rest of their life? And if rehab doesn't work for someone, we keep them in prison where they can't hurt anyone outside. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_and_aftermath_of_rape]Get.[/url] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_trauma_syndrome]Out.[/url] [url=http://rainn.org/get-information/effects-of-sexual-assault]Now.[/url][/QUOTE] I seriously think you guys aren't reading what I'm saying and are just angry that I have an opinion that differs from yours. I'm not going to respond to what you said because I already have many times, if you're interested you can read what I've already said.

[QUOTE=thisispain;38937221]hehe SaniuS squad *farts* stop making posts like these dude[/QUOTE] i'll stop pointing out sanius' bullshit when you kids stop derailing every second fuckin' thread in this section

I despise men who use culture and tradition as an excuse for sexually assaulting women.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;38934026]life sentences is enough tbh, death penalty does nothing and the government shouldn't have the right to take away your life because of an action, they should have the right to detain you for as long as possible as long as it benefits society[/QUOTE] Once you break the social contract you have every right to be murdered. We shouldn't be responsible to keep them alive.

[QUOTE=newbs;38952425]Once you break the social contract you have every right to be murdered. We shouldn't be responsible to keep them alive.[/QUOTE] So we should be responsible for killing them? Do you not comprehend what is wrong with the idea of having a system that punishes people with something as absolute as death that is run by human beings, creatures capable of making mistakes? And then what does killing them even accomplish? It certainly doesn't save any money and it's not going to make whatever they did go away. The only purpose the death penalty serves is fulfilling this retributive bloodlust that people like you have. Oh and "right to be murdered" what a hilarious joke.