RNC vs DNC: More People Watched Trump's Speech Than Hillary's, but more DNC views than RNC views - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;50797876]I work with facts rather than emotion, but I don't think you understand the US president doesn't have as much power to be even remotely close to a "dictator", last time a politician got elected by the emotional vote (Of something with very politically aligned with Rodham!) we got (and we still are having) the worst crisis in our country which is making us a big joke due to the olympics[/QUOTE] Yeah, we'll see about the powers a president has when he can declare a state of emergency due to the nation having defaulted on it's debt(HIS PLAN). He'll rapidly gain powers once the nation is actually in crisis, which it will be as soon as he can put there by doing what he's [B]always said he's going to do[/B] and defaulting on American debt. Yeah, you're right, the president doesn't have much power. But that's not going to stop him.

[QUOTE=srobins;50797878]The entire convention was basically advertising for Trump. When they weren't talking about history or attempting to placate Sanders supporters, it was all just a huge Donald Trump moan-fest.[/QUOTE] On the one hand it's because Clinton is a harder sale than normal to Democrats. On the other hand, it's also because Trump is a[B] legendarily bad[/B] candidate.

[QUOTE=srobins;50797892]A. When has he flaunted his corruption? B. When has he said he wants to bring dictatorship into office?[/QUOTE] He's said he wants to bring the manner in which he runs his businesses, to government. When he openly, and actively has described himself as a dictator in his own companies since the early 90's, [B]what else could he mean[/B] I'd say saying that "that judge can't judge me because he's mexican" is a sign of corruption to come, but, looking at his business past, there's tons of shady, corrupt actions he's taken in the past, or else he wouldn't be dealing with the variety of lawsuits he is.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;50797898]On the one hand it's because Clinton is a harder sale than normal to Democrats. On the other hand, it's also because Trump is a[B] legendarily bad[/B] candidate.[/QUOTE] The worst candidate since the Civil War, without a shadow of a doubt.

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50797585]Ignoring the content of each candidates speeches, I think Trump does a much better job of captivating his audience in his speeches. He's got [B][I]HIGH ENERGY[/I][/B] even when he uses teleprompters. I don't think Clinton paces herself in an interesting way.[/QUOTE] It's not like the content is important or anything

[QUOTE=axelord157;50797853]Watched a video with Trump. [B]Said he wants to "really hit" people who criticized him at the DNC[/B] (Bloomberg in particular, I think). Trump is such a thin-skinned bastard, its not even funny. ALSO, Billymays, you sound like a fucking cultust, man. Talk like you can create own thoughts for once in a while.[/QUOTE] Trump brought this up during a rally today. Media spun it as a threat of physical violence when Trump's attacks are all verbal. If you want to claim otherwise then you should show the video of what he said. Call me whatever you want, I think for myself. I do not blindly worship Trump despite what you believe. I disagree with some of his statements and policies, but I still want him to become the next President, especially since the other option is Clinton.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;50797882]Which was nothing compared to Trumps "ISIS will butcher us in the streets" speech. I actually like how Republicans (not necessarily Trump) tend to push the importance of recognizing Islamist terrorism over those on the left who would prefer to stick their heads in the sand and even I was rolling my eyes at parts because it was so absurdly dramatic and tried to paint Donald Trump of all people as the savior of America. Clinton's speech was more measured, not as exciting, but decent. She has the charisma of a dry sponge but good speech writers.[/QUOTE]Yeah if there was one thing that I "stand with her!!!!!!!!!" on it's the policy toward the Middle East. She's leagues beyond Trump in understanding the situation there, her comments about "striking from the air and supporting local allies on the ground" were spot-on and I actually smiled hearing it. Trump? "Hurr lets tear up this Iran deal because it's WEAK" is not a good fucking plan, right now the Iranians are perfectly content with a peaceful nuclear program which has been our goal since... the mid-1990's I believe. So basically twenty years of work and Trump wants to shit all over it.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50797873] Fuck I can't even start to wrap my head around how much you Trumpets must HATE America.[/QUOTE] Spoken like a true canuk We dont have a choice, its that or voting in our version of turkeys Erdogan.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50797908]It's not like the content is important or anything[/QUOTE] I'm focusing on the stats from the article here. I've explained why the content doesn't matter when it comes to audience retention, its presentation skills. Additionally, the content of the speeches were made available before they gave the speeches. Trump knows how to captivate an audience, which is why he got more viewers.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50797911]right now the Iranians are perfectly content with a peaceful nuclear program which has been our goal since... the mid-1990's I believe. So basically twenty years of work and Trump wants to shit all over it.[/QUOTE] The iranians have always been happy with a peaceful nuclear program, the problem was that we demanded they hand over free access to the most intimate parts of their government. they refused, and obama made a deal without that requirement. I actually don't get why we couldn't do this sooner, i see this as one of obamas best works.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50797913][B]Spoken like a true canuk[/B] We dont have a choice, its that or voting in our version of turkeys Erdogan.[/QUOTE]Uh? [img]https://facepunch.com/fp/flags/be.png[/img]? What are you doing? [editline]to clarify[/editline] I don't understand, are you not a Belgian-born citizen commenting on our election or is flagdog being silly?

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50797913]Spoken like a true canuk We dont have a choice, its that or voting in our version of turkeys Erdogan.[/QUOTE] You mean voting in Trump is like voting in Erdogan? Yes it is. How odd that you would choose a dictator and leave a statement so poorly worded that it can so easily be applied against you.

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50797909]Trump brought this up during a rally today. Media spun it as a threat of physical violence when Trump's attacks are all verbal. If you want to claim otherwise then you should show the video of what he said. Call me whatever you want, I think for myself. I do not blindly worship Trump despite what you believe. I disagree with some of his statements and policies, but I still want him to become the next President, especially since the other option is Clinton.[/QUOTE] I disagree with MOST of what he says, but still... not fucking Clinton

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50797873] Fuck I can't even start to wrap my head around how much you [B]Trumpets[/B] must HATE America.[/QUOTE] First its Trumpsters, now its Trumpets. If you aren't going to refer to Trump supporters as Centipedes as preferred, at least have some consistency. I don't like how I can walk over to GD and lgbt threads in SH and there's respect for people who want to be ID'd as he/she/whatever but that goes out the window when it comes to Trump supporters.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50797903]He's said he wants to bring the manner in which he runs his businesses, to government. When he openly, and actively has described himself as a dictator in his own companies since the early 90's, [B]what else could he mean[/B] I'd say saying that "that judge can't judge me because he's mexican" is a sign of corruption to come, but, looking at his business past, there's tons of shady, corrupt actions he's taken in the past, or else he wouldn't be dealing with the variety of lawsuits he is.[/QUOTE] Oh come on, stuff like this is exactly why I have to constantly play devils advocate for Trump. You really think he wants to rule as a dictator? Describing yourself as a dictator in business is perfectly acceptable, business has nothing to do with democracy and almost everything revolves around chain of command. When he says he wants to bring his business skills and management to office he's clearly just saying he will run the country more efficiently and broker better deals (that's not to say he actually will do that, but still). Saying a Mexican judge shouldn't try his case is politically incorrect but still kind of reasonable. A Mexican person is likely to exhibit some pro-Mexican bias when residing over a case that would severely impact the lives of Mexicans and Mexican-Americans.

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50797909]Trump brought this up during a rally today. Media spun it as a threat of physical violence when Trump's attacks are all verbal. If you want to claim otherwise then you should show the video of what he said. Call me whatever you want, I think for myself. I do not blindly worship Trump despite what you believe. I disagree with some of his statements and policies, but I still want him to become the next President, especially since the other option is Clinton.[/QUOTE] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqkmJpUd6qs[/media] [quote]“Get him out,” Trump said according to CBS. “Try not to hurt him. If you do I’ll defend you in court.” Then he said, “Are Trump rallies the most fun? We’re having a good time.” Trump said a protester started “swinging and punching” when rally-goers “took him out.” “It was really amazing to watch,” he said.[/quote] [url=http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/trump-gives-supporters-permission-to-be-violent-with-protesters-if-you-hurt-them-ill-defend-you-in-court/]Source[/url] [editline].[/editline] [quote]At a rally on the day of the Iowa caucuses this year, Donald Trump told the audience that he'd been warned about protesters with tomatoes in the audience. "So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of 'em, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell — I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise." Later the month, as a protester was being led out of another rally, Trump lamented that he wasn't closer. "I’d like to punch him in the face, I tell ya," he said.[/quote] [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/02/23/donald-trump-on-protester-id-like-to-punch-him-in-the-face/[/url] [editline].[/editline] So how did the media spin it when he literally said it?

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50797943]First its Trumpsters, now its Trumpets. If you aren't going to refer to Trump supporters as Centipedes as preferred, at least have some consistency. I don't like how I can walk over to GD and lgbt threads in SH and there's respect for people who want to be ID'd as he/she/whatever but that goes out the window when it comes to Trump supporters.[/QUOTE] You want to crash the global economy Yeah you're not going to get fucking anything resembling sympathy from me when you literally want the US to default on the debt causing another global recession

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50797935]I disagree with MOST of what he says, but still... not fucking Clinton[/QUOTE] I'm a practical person. I don't care as much for what a person says or believes as much as I care for what it means in getting good stuff done. I've talked about his energy policy before regarding this. [editline]29th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50797950]You want to crash the global economy Yeah you're not going to get fucking anything resembling sympathy from me when you literally want the US to default on the debt causing another global recession[/QUOTE] I want Trump to be president. You are extrapolating way too far.

[QUOTE=srobins;50797945]Saying a Mexican judge shouldn't try his case is politically incorrect but still kind of reasonable. A Mexican person is likely to exhibit some pro-Mexican bias when residing over a case that would severely impact the lives of Mexicans and Mexican-Americans.[/QUOTE] It implies that something inherent to Mexicans makes them unable or unwilling to disassociate themselves from their cultural identity and make a fair, reasonable decisions as judges. It's an absurd statement that is the exact opposite of reasonable.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50797924]The iranians have always been happy with a peaceful nuclear program, the problem was that we demanded they hand over free access to the most intimate parts of their government. they refused, and obama made a deal without that requirement. I actually don't get why we couldn't do this sooner, i see this as one of obamas best works.[/QUOTE]Really it was, and it improved relations enough that when a USN boat was taken over for being in their waters they turned it back over to us with the crew without some big fucking dramatic shitshow. Out of Obama's entire presidency I think the deal with Iran is the absolute best thing he did, but I wish it wasn't hand-in-hand with letting Iraq fucking implode. Yeah, they asked us to leave but for fuck's sake surely there was something else that could have been done.

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50797952]I'm a practical person. I don't care as much for what a person says or believes as much as I care for what it means in getting good stuff done. I've talked about his energy policy before regarding this. [editline]29th July 2016[/editline] I want Trump to be president. You are extrapolating way too far.[/QUOTE] But that's one of his mainline promises. Do you support it or not? Why vote for someone when they're going to crash the global economy at all unless you want that

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50797952]I'm a practical person. I don't care as much for what a person says or believes as much as I care for what it means in getting good stuff done. I've talked about his energy policy before regarding this. [editline]29th July 2016[/editline] I want Trump to be president. You are extrapolating way too far.[/QUOTE] Yeah but if that's the case shouldn't you be totally against Trump? Of all the candidates who ran, he is the most vague of anybody. He never gives specifics and continues to promise ridiculous results without any clear path to getting them. Case in point, making Mexico build a wall.

I've yet to hear what exactly Clinton would do. All I'm told is not to vote for her because she is corrupt, and emails, and various conspiracy theories about assassinations and Saudi princes. What damage will she do as president? What policy of hers is bad? Like with Trump I can point to policy and say "This will hurt the economy" or "This will cause distrust amongst our allies" or "This won't solve the problem of climate change". Sometimes it's opinion based, like you can have an opinion on how much gun control is necessary and make the point that Clinton has argued too left on that subject, but what damage are people afraid she will do that makes them go for anyone but her? [QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50797952]I'm a practical person. I don't care as much for what a person says or believes as much as I care for what it means in getting good stuff done. I've talked about his energy policy before regarding this.[/QUOTE] Right, literal blind faith. You don't care what someone has said, or what their parties platform is, or how they have acted before, you think Trump will just magic away climate change. You're not a practical person at all. This is not how practical people think.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50797949] [URL="http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/trump-gives-supporters-permission-to-be-violent-with-protesters-if-you-hurt-them-ill-defend-you-in-court/"]Source[/URL] [editline].[/editline] [URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/02/23/donald-trump-on-protester-id-like-to-punch-him-in-the-face/[/URL] [editline].[/editline] So how did the media spin it when he literally said it?[/QUOTE] [URL="https://youtu.be/UGv0NkuXJOE?t=4445"]He talks about it here, go watch it[/URL] Also we're getting off track from the results from the conventions with viewer numbers and turning into another Trump v Clinton shit flinging contest

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50797952]I'm a practical person. I don't care as much for what a person says or believes as much as I care for what it means in getting good stuff done. I've talked about his energy policy before regarding this.[/QUOTE] his energy and environmental policy is pretty terrible considering he is a global warming denialist

Frankly I'm voting for Clinton in November despite everything. I'm voting less for her, and more against the acidic shit storm of Trump and those who rally to him. The man promotes torture even if it doesn't work, taking out families and innocents in the middle east to weed out terrorists, thinks disabling the internet is a wise tactic against terrorism, thinks climate change is a hoax, and vaccines cause autism. Let alone Trump, it's those he'd have promoting him that I find to be the reason I find to oppose him. You have Putin and Kim Jong Un who run dictatorships, Mike Pence who thinks smoking is perfectly healthy along with other similar beliefs, a slew of supremacists across the most loathsome ideologies, and those who view him as some infallible god figure. He's willing to skimp out on making charities unless he's called out on it. He's married thrice and has a child who hunts endangered animals for sport. The man thinks making walls is able to make a country safer, but it will only embolden many to come and break it. He thinks killing is how you shut down volatile ideologies, it will only make them be seen as martyrs and fight harder for their stagnant ideals. I can't support someone who thinks becoming like our enemies will move us forward, it will set us back centuries just like the countries and terrorist groups we're opposed to. I loathe Clinton for the corruption of her scandals and the actions of the DNC, but frankly it's a far far lesser evil than what the only other choice. I'd love to vote third party, but I find voting for them at this point in time to be a wedge that could easily push trump to victory and highly unlikely to succeed. I supported Sanders from the start as he was the least worst of all options, but that ship sailed long ago though I will continue to respect the man for his consistency and hopefully he'll rise in the senate if Clinton wins. This is truly a loathsome election, but a choice must be made and I'm supporting Clinton as I'm in Ohio and do not want to see an infestation from the volatile movement of Trump. No candidate is the end of the world if they're elected, but there will always be repercussions from them as a leader, some unseen from the start, many foreseeable from their words and their choices.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50798005]his energy and environmental policy is pretty terrible considering he is a global warming denialist[/QUOTE] I'm not going to go into this topic again. If you really want to solve climate change you need to revive nuclear energy and make it the top source of energy production by 2050.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50797963]Really it was, and it improved relations enough that when a USN boat was taken over for being in their waters they turned it back over to us with the crew without some big fucking dramatic shitshow. Out of Obama's entire presidency I think the deal with Iran is the absolute best thing he did, but I wish it wasn't hand-in-hand with letting Iraq fucking implode. Yeah, they asked us to leave but for fuck's sake surely there was something else that could have been done.[/QUOTE] It's hard to blame them. As you said, Iraq wanted us out, and the overwhelming amount of Americans wanted us out. It's easy to blame the following destabilization on one person but it was really a confluence of factors. One of the big ones that gets ignored a lot is the Iraqi government itself, which cracked down harshly on the Sunni people.

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50798016]I'm not going to go into this topic again. If you really want to solve climate change you need to revive nuclear energy and make it the top source of energy production by 2050.[/QUOTE] he wants to revive coal mining as a major industry and restart the keystone pipeline considering he also doesnt give a shit about the environment he will likely get rid of numerous environmental protection policies if you are going to fix things you don't do it by reviving coal mining

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50798005]his energy and environmental policy is pretty terrible considering he is a global warming denialist[/QUOTE] I don't expect much in the way of mitigating global warming for the next 4-8 years.