RNC vs DNC: More People Watched Trump's Speech Than Hillary's, but more DNC views than RNC views - Polidicks

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50798857]Honestly, nothing really. I'm saying I don't care about his coal policy because it doesn't matter in the long run to me. If [I]anything[/I] inclines me to think he would [I]overwhelmingly[/I] support nuclear, its because he wants to revive the coal industry to bring back jobs for coal miners. Its such a bold and unwanted proposal to the rest of the country that I could see him pulling the same with the nuclear industry [url=http://i.imgur.com/Msw4acH.png?1]if the issue is worded in his favor[/url]. This is why in the AMA I never mentioned climate change, I only talked about jobs and economic prospects. Nuclear power is such a sensitive political topic that no politician dares to have a serious discussion over it. If Trump developed a stance on nuclear energy it would be one of the [I]least[/I] controversial topics in his campaign. I think he's crazy enough to bring nuclear energy onto the political floor. In my opinion, I see his ratings increasing if he chose to support nuclear power because of the climate change implications he doesn't care about.[/QUOTE] I don't get where your blind optimism of Trump suddenly [i]overwhelmingly[/i] supporting nuclear comes from. Why would he even touch it?

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50799185]I don't get where your blind optimism of Trump suddenly [i]overwhelmingly[/i] supporting nuclear comes from. Why would he even touch it?[/QUOTE] I'm not optimistic. Trump has done so much crazy shit in his campaign that I wouldn't consider bringing up nuclear energy a surprise anymore. I don't think it'll happen but if anyone would dare touch nuclear energy in the middle of a presidential campaign, it would be Trump.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50799171]Honestly, since when did people who support a candidate who has such paper thin skin develop such paper thin skin themselves?[/QUOTE] And again, more cringe.

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50799200][B]I'm not optimistic. [/B]Trump has done so much crazy shit in his campaign that I wouldn't consider bringing up nuclear energy a surprise anymore. I don't think it'll happen but if anyone would dare touch nuclear energy in the middle of a presidential campaign, it would be Trump.[/QUOTE] Then I'm getting seriously mixed messages because you're not optimistic that Trump will push for nuclear power but somehow more optimistic than Clinton who would definitely support a budget that subsidizes nuclear power. It's not a popular issue; Trump doesn't have much to gain from supporting it other than rhetorically as he has been. [QUOTE=*Freezorg*;50799223]And again, more cringe.[/QUOTE] Were you going to contribute to the discussion or just keep shitposting? Because if you aren't going to at least explain why his posts make you cringe you should get a blog or something.

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50799200]I'm not optimistic. Trump has done so much crazy shit in his campaign that I wouldn't consider bringing up nuclear energy a surprise anymore. I don't think it'll happen but if anyone would dare touch nuclear energy in the middle of a presidential campaign, it would be Trump.[/QUOTE] Trump never talks about actual issues or solutions. His whole shtick is "Make America Great Again". Just look at his AMA.

"You're wasting your vote if you vote third party," "<candidate> is a scumbag," ""you're an idiot for voting for <candidate>," etc. So many people in these threads basically browbeating anyone who doesn't vote for their candidate. Tribalism at it's finest. Us versus them. Dehumanize those who disagree, label and berate so their opinions are discarded. Any other debate and you'd get called on this shit, but if it involves Hilary or Trump it's fair game. I never understood why politics and religion got so vitriol and toxic. Any other debate by most of the posters here refrains from ad hominem, personal attacks, appeal to emotion, etc but I guess if it's politics feel free to catastrophize and shit sling. We've had our arguably bad presidents with no experience, our Reagans, Taylors, Grants, etc. and we've lived through the Civil War, the Cold War, WW2, the great depression, the great recession and more. We got past slavery, Japanese internment camps, lynchings, riots, and more. We've come to the brink multiple times in the history of America, I think having Hillary/Trump is not going to mark the end of days. Both candidates don't have a death wish and have their own financial needs to look after, and even if they royally fuck things up in 4 years we'll have someone else take charge and potentially change course. Both say some royally dumb/false shit, but they're not crazy enough to hit the big red button, fuck the working class, tax us to hell, ruin foreign policy, start mob rule, etc. We understand that most politicians are liars but when it comes to presidential candidates we take everything they say at face value when most likely they're saying shit to get whatever group of people they're addressing to chant their name. This isn't the last four years of your life. Stop treating this election like if one candidate wins the Earth will be swallowed by the sun. It's not healthy, it's going to make your life miserable. This election is a total shit show but at least we're not North Korea, Iran, Turkey, etc. and at least we still have local representatives to vote for.

[QUOTE=SleepyAl;50799380]"You're wasting your vote if you vote third party," "<candidate> is a scumbag," ""you're an idiot for voting for <candidate>," etc. So many people in these threads basically browbeating anyone who doesn't vote for their candidate. Tribalism at it's finest. Us versus them. Dehumanize those who disagree, label and berate so their opinions are discarded. Any other debate and you'd get called on this shit, but if it involves Hilary or Trump it's fair game. I never understood why politics and religion got so vitriol and toxic. Any other debate by most of the posters here refrains from ad hominem, personal attacks, appeal to emotion, etc but I guess if it's politics feel free to catastrophize and shit sling. We've had our arguably bad presidents with no experience, our Reagans, Taylors, Grants, etc. and we've lived through the Civil War, the Cold War, WW2, the great depression, the great recession and more. We got past slavery, Japanese internment camps, lynchings, riots, and more. We've come to the brink multiple times in the history of America, I think having Hillary/Trump is not going to mark the end of days. Both candidates don't have a death wish and have their own financial needs to look after, and even if they royally fuck things up in 4 years we'll have someone else take charge and potentially change course. Both say some royally dumb/false shit, but they're not crazy enough to hit the big red button, fuck the working class, tax us to hell, ruin foreign policy, start mob rule, etc. We understand that most politicians are liars but when it comes to presidential candidates we take everything they say at face value when most likely they're saying shit to get whatever group of people they're addressing to chant their name. This isn't the last four years of your life. Stop treating this election like if one candidate wins the Earth will be swallowed by the sun. It's not healthy, it's going to make your life miserable. This election is a total shit show but at least we're not North Korea, Iran, Turkey, etc. and at least we still have local representatives to vote for.[/QUOTE] Part of what you're saying is true, but I disagree with another part of entirely. I watched enough of the RNC convention to see that the current republican mindset is "the sky is falling, Trump can save us". The problem is the world isn't ending right now, there's a lot of problems but it's not nearly as bad as the vision painted by the RNC, and the GOP in general, and certainly a picture painted in Trumps speech. Fear was the message, I read that clear as day. I can only take that one way coming from a person like Trump, who's been acting like a crazy person since day one of his campaign. That under his rule, bad things will happen, and it will be everyone elses fault, and Trump will sell that very well to enough people that enough people will go with it. That's my genuine fear. Call me crazy or disconnected or out of it or cringy as freezorg up there insists I am, but a guy who has proposed as many things as he has, in such vague terms, has used fear to such effect, and has a really violent message and has a high chance of getting elected to the White House is a serious threat. I don't see Trump posters really dealing with the direct questions people like Raidyr, Sobotonik, killerjaguar, myself, others ask. That doesn't bode well. I agree there's tribalism involved in every election. I truly believe that. I am not sure how much that's at play for myself personally, no matter what anyone says. I don't like Hilary, I really don't want her to be president, I don't like many of her decisions and I think she'll fall back on many of them when she can. I see her as a contiuation of the corruption that the countries politics is made out of, but I see Trump as a serious threat to basically everything due to his views on nuclear use and how offhand he is about his thoughts regarding that, his views on climate change, and due in large part to the serious and real cult of personality has generated around himself. He's able to get away with a lot of things that no one else is. He's able to say off the cuff thoughtless remarks and be held in high regard, that is lunacy to me. He's part of the problem but the fact there's enough people to hold him aloft from the flames of his own statements is absolutely disturbing, and telling.

The DNC was absolutely dumbass. They don't understand the fact that they already have locked down black, female, Hispanic, etc vote easily at this point. The vote that will be the determining factor in this election is angry white men. It is hard to target that demographic by what may appear to be to them pandering to minorities.

[QUOTE=matt000024;50799453]The DNC was absolutely dumbass. They don't understand the fact that they already have locked down black, female, Hispanic, etc vote easily at this point. The vote that will be the determining factor in this election is angry white men. It is hard to target that demographic by what may appear to be to them pandering to minorities.[/QUOTE] except minorities generally have even lower turnout than white males. the DNC was a complete success getting the message out to minorities that they must be out in force come november if they want to continue progressing forward or get movement on police/immigration/tax reform. They made sure to show how the RNC, Trump and their platform will be bad for everyone, but mostly very bad for minorities. its not a bad strategy since its pretty much exactly what the post-romney report identified as a glaring weakness in the republican party Oddly enough another thing the DNC had going for it was that minorities haven't felt the same drop in wealth that the Trump demographics have, so the message that the world is on fire and everything is shit doesn't resonate very well with them

[QUOTE=matt000024;50799453]The DNC was absolutely dumbass. They don't understand the fact that they already have locked down black, female, Hispanic, etc vote easily at this point. The vote that will be the determining factor in this election is angry white men. It is hard to target that demographic by what may appear to be to them pandering to minorities.[/QUOTE] Its less pandering to minorities that's the issue, its that they preach white men are the problem and cause of issues for minorities. On top of that, they make a big deal that Clinton has a vagina and that electing the first woman president is somehow a key issue in the election. [editline]29th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Sableye;50799471]except minorities generally have even lower turnout than white males. the DNC was a complete success getting the message out to minorities that they must be out in force come november if they want to continue progressing forward or get movement on police/immigration/tax reform. They made sure to show how the RNC, Trump and their platform will be bad for everyone, but mostly very bad for minorities. its not a bad strategy since its pretty much exactly what the post-romney report identified as a glaring weakness in the republican party Oddly enough another thing the DNC had going for it was that minorities haven't felt the same drop in wealth that the Trump demographics have, so the message that the world is on fire and everything is shit doesn't resonate very well with them[/QUOTE] I thought both parties did an amazing job in getting voter turnout for the primaries. Sanders got young liberals to vote, Trump got angry "who cares anymore" people back into voting. I am expecting this year to have the largest voter turnout of any election ever.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;50798017]It's hard to blame them. As you said, Iraq wanted us out, and the overwhelming amount of Americans wanted us out. It's easy to blame the following destabilization on one person but it was really a confluence of factors. One of the big ones that gets ignored a lot is the Iraqi government itself, which cracked down harshly on the Sunni people.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I don't blame the resulting collapse on Obama so much as I blame it on the general situation. Had we handled the occupation better then Iraq would be far, far more stable and all of that happened under Bush's watch, Obama just lived up to his promise to pull us out. No matter what it was a shit sandwich and everyone had to take a bite at some point.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50799290]Trump never talks about actual issues or solutions. His whole shtick is "Make America Great Again". Just look at his AMA.[/QUOTE] He doesn't need to, and statements like [QUOTE]I don't think it'll happen but if anyone would dare touch nuclear energy in the middle of a presidential campaign, it would be Trump.[/QUOTE] demonstrate why. Trump has an enormous number of voters that aren't interested in what he wants to do, but what [I]they think[/I] he wants to do. Trump being Trump magically makes the unlikely seem likely if not certain to these people.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;50799097] His posts are pretty civil. I dunno what your problem is.[/QUOTE] Problem is he dares to question dear leader Mr. Trump and his followers.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50799442]Part of what you're saying is true, but I disagree with another part of entirely. I watched enough of the RNC convention to see that the current republican mindset is "the sky is falling, Trump can save us". The problem is the world isn't ending right now, there's a lot of problems but it's not nearly as bad as the vision painted by the RNC, and the GOP in general, and certainly a picture painted in Trumps speech. Fear was the message, I read that clear as day. I can only take that one way coming from a person like Trump, who's been acting like a crazy person since day one of his campaign. That under his rule, bad things will happen, and it will be everyone elses fault, and Trump will sell that very well to enough people that enough people will go with it. That's my genuine fear. Call me crazy or disconnected or out of it or cringy as freezorg up there insists I am, but a guy who has proposed as many things as he has, in such vague terms, has used fear to such effect, and has a really violent message and has a high chance of getting elected to the White House is a serious threat. I don't see Trump posters really dealing with the direct questions people like Raidyr, Sobotonik, killerjaguar, myself, others ask. That doesn't bode well. I agree there's tribalism involved in every election. I truly believe that. I am not sure how much that's at play for myself personally, no matter what anyone says. I don't like Hilary, I really don't want her to be president, I don't like many of her decisions and I think she'll fall back on many of them when she can. I see her as a contiuation of the corruption that the countries politics is made out of, but I see Trump as a serious threat to basically everything due to his views on nuclear use and how offhand he is about his thoughts regarding that, his views on climate change, and due in large part to the serious and real cult of personality has generated around himself. He's able to get away with a lot of things that no one else is. He's able to say off the cuff thoughtless remarks and be held in high regard, that is lunacy to me. He's part of the problem but the fact there's enough people to hold him aloft from the flames of his own statements is absolutely disturbing, and telling.[/QUOTE] The difference between you and I in terms of how we view Trump is that, to me, all these offhand comments are just rhetoric. Right now, his number one concern is getting elected, and he knows he has no chance of gaining the liberal vote because he's a republican. Anti climate change, anti homosexuality, anti abortion, pro religion in politics are largely positions rooted in ignorance that the GOP has pushed for over a decade. The economic theory of trickle down and focusing the tax burden away from the rich is likewise. The way the GOP has framed their party with their issues it's only natural that Trump is going to pander to the people who eat this shit up, the people who always vote republican no matter what, the same people who voted for Bush twice, the same people who don't watch the news aside from dumb Facebook comments filled with misinformation, the same people who call Obama "Obongo" and rail about how shitty of a president he is without knowing one thing that he's done aside from ACA. The GOP has raised a voter base of people who "listen and believe" and don't critically think, who have no trust of the scientific or medical community, who fear people who are different from them, who believe in big corporations saving America and fuck anybody who can't pull up their boot straps because anyone can make it big with the American Dream that hasn't existed since the GI Bill. So Trump is naturally trying to get their vote, trying to be a "warmonger" and "take no shit" guy because his voter base likes that and won't think of the consequences. If Trump comes into office, I doubt he'll follow through on any of that. His focus will be getting a cabinet that can make his decisions for him, advise him on what will benefit him and his cronies rather than the country, and making life for him and his friends much more luxurious. I honestly wouldn't doubt him being a sociopath, but he's far from stupid. He's not going to turn the USA into a war zone. He's going to continue the status quo. The republicans understand that he's not going to do anything crazy because they control the senate and it won't be difficult to get the democratss to agree on not passing some stupid shit. And the republicans at worst are going to continue the Bush era policies, which while sucky are just four years of bleh. So to me, he's basically the same thing as Hillary, but with a different coat of paint. The difference is that while Trump is aiming for angry or dumb white Christians and people who want to burn the system to the ground, Hillary is appealing to minorities, women, and amping up the fear factor in a different way. "If you vote for Trump the sky will fall" is the message the democrats are sending clear as day. They're using fear to get people on the fence to vote for Hillary because she's "the lesser of two evils" when she's just another flavor of corrupt liar. And if you vote for a third party you're just helping Trump win, which while historically true of third parties thanks to our shitty FPTP, this is ignoring Gary Johnson's pull on republicans as well as the absolute hatred of both parties a lot of independents have. It backs intelligent voters into a corner and that's not how democracy should be, and voting strategically is both legitimizing the things the DNC does and is also continuing the status quo of corruption. You don't give the dog a treat after it bites you. Hillary has plenty of lofty goals that sound great on paper, but there's no guarantee she'll keep them, as she's got a track record for bold faced on the record lying, and she has to keep her donators happy. Expect TPP to be pushed through, health care to be half assed again, the minimum wage stuff to not go anywhere, and campaign finance reform a total failure. She's going to do things that keep her in power, benefit her and her cronies, and if she can afford to toss a bone to the American public she'll toss one if she has to. Hillary has to trick smart people into voting for her, which is harder, when Trump has to trick idiots, which is a lot easier. There's plenty of "listen and believe" on both sides, as plenty of people have whitewashed both the rhetoric of each candidate as well as the shady past and possible criminal activity. Either major party you vote for you're voting for a lying corrupt scumbag who will continue the status quo, but you get to choose either strawberry or vanilla flavor status quo. Realistically this year's election is a bust, and showing Democrats that you will not stand for corruption by voting third party or Trump is going to send a message that they need to treat their voter base better or they will lose power, and losing power is the only thing that will get them to enact change, because they're concerned about themselves first and America second. Likewise voting third party or Hillary because you won't vote for a clown that somehow was better than any other potential republican candidate tells the GOP they better shape the fuck up.

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;50798881]Thanks. Now stop being a dick, at least [I]pretend[/I] to be civil. And don't try to get out of it with "[I]but why should I be civil with people who want nuclear apocalypse?[/I]" Give me a break.[/QUOTE] could I request that you be civil by not voting for trump? it's not a very nice thing to do

interestingly enough, a lot of conservatives really didn't like trump's RNC [url]http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/conservatives-agree-dnc-was-disaster-for-gop[/url] problem with us is that we tend to be echo chambers; the convention that won was the one that we supported in the first place lol DNC would have been a lot better without the boo's from bernie supporters. and just personally, the corniness was too cringe. but obama, biden, bloomberg, cory, and etc. fucking killed it in the other hand, RNC needed more of donald trump jr's speech, that dude was fucking amazing on the mic and made everyone feel good. echoing what a lot of conservative & republicans in that article said, trump needed more love and optimism in his convention rather than a gigantic hatefest against hillary and prophecy of doom

[url]https://twitter.com/Kragar_LGF/status/759163566922436608[/url] I know you guys hate idiots who can't use computers so are you going to vote for a complete tech illiterate? check it out

[QUOTE=Raidyr;50799097] His posts are pretty civil. I dunno what your problem is.[/QUOTE] You have a bad memory. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50062244]Fuck this election. I see no reason why the US should be run by a person who's either in bed with every major conglomerate there is, who's defended to the death by people like yourself because for some reason, Sanders is the devil to you people. Hilary's going to win, and we're going to see the US continue down the ultra corporatist path it's going down, and people like you will scream and cry that this isn't your america but you voted for it.[/QUOTE] Now HumanAbyss is all for a Hillary presidency because everything has to be overblown and world ending if its not on his side. Chicken Little syndrome to a tee and the perfect example of the "new" average voter, they think they are informed and impartial but fall into the same pitfalls time and time and time again.

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50799200]I'm not optimistic. Trump has done so much crazy shit in his campaign that I wouldn't consider bringing up nuclear energy a surprise anymore. I don't think it'll happen but if anyone would dare touch nuclear energy in the middle of a presidential campaign, it would be Trump.[/QUOTE] Then why the hell are you supporting him based on an unsupported assumption? He hasn't said he wants to expand or revive nuclear power as a major policy. He has however talked at length about reviving fossil fuels such as coal and oil by expanding mining and drilling operations in addition to expanding the infrastructure for both. Only a deluded person would somehow think he's for nuclear when he hasn't even said much about it. Plus even if he DID support nuclear it still doesn't absolve him of boosting a dead and awful industry which destroy the environment. I mean is this how loads of formerly self-respecting people justify voting for Trump? They think "oh he's not actually that bad, he just says shit but he might actually do this really good thing" It's bullshit. It's complete and utter bullshit because there's no indication he is going to do anything about climate change. Even you said yourself you aren't optimistic. You don't know if Trump will be good for nuclear power (probably because he doesn't have the attention span to think about it), and you aren't optimistic that he ever will. The mental contortions one must go through to support Trump - the biggest anti-intellectual in presidential history and who would be probably be the worst president since Andrew Jackson - are incredible.

[QUOTE=davethestoner;50797520]Trump is the first candidate to get a boost from both conventions, the DNC really fucked up.[/QUOTE] Source? I know you're not basing that on polls because there haven't been any post-DNC polls yet

[media]https://twitter.com/JDiamond1/status/759200443666923520[/media] This stupid bullshit would normally literally kill a campaign, but Trumpets care so little about what this man says and does, whilst simultaneously tearing over Hillary Clinton's every last action and word, that it won't make a difference. Trump is a disgrace to America. And, as I already [URL="https://laeffyblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/30/where-trump-and-corbyn-meet/"]said[/URL] (an extended version of my original post on my blog), Trump is absolutely not a patriot.

[QUOTE=Turnips5;50800331][url]https://twitter.com/Kragar_LGF/status/759163566922436608[/url] I know you guys hate idiots who can't use computers so are you going to vote for a complete tech illiterate? check it out[/QUOTE] This is another issue that I have is that people and the media spin EVERYTHING he says to make it negative. What he is saying is not get rid of computers but instead if you want to deliver secret documents or private information to simply hand the general in charge a hand written letter or document or whatever and not to send it over networks that can be hacked. Did you even watch the video? It's privacy issue not computer illiteracy. I don't support either candidate, but open your dam eyes and ears and try to not spin his words out of control like everyone else does.

[QUOTE=redBadger;50800809]This is another issue that I have is that people and the media spin EVERYTHING he says to make it negative. What he is saying is not get rid of computers but instead if you want to deliver secret documents or private information to simply hand the general in charge a hand written letter or document or whatever and not to send it over networks that can be hacked. Did you even watch the video? It's privacy issue not computer illiteracy. I don't support either candidate, but open your dam eyes and ears and try to not spin his words out of control like everyone else does.[/QUOTE] And put our army/intelligence services behind every first world country?

[QUOTE=plunger435;50800826]And put our army/intelligence services behind every first world country?[/QUOTE] That's not the point. The point is if you're sending an email saying youre gonna nuke north Korea the fact is its much safer to send it by hand or word of mouth instead of emailing them. See how well that worked for Clinton.

[QUOTE=redBadger;50800891]That's not the point. The point is if you're sending an email saying youre gonna nuke north Korea the fact is its much safer to send it by hand or word of mouth instead of emailing them. See how well that worked for Clinton.[/QUOTE] Usually if you're in a situation where you need to give the go ahead on nuclear weapons you need a faster way to communicate it than the pony express, not to mention email and written word are by far not our only means of communicating information already. Otherwise SIGINT would be out of jobs.

[QUOTE=plunger435;50800966]Usually if you're in a situation where you need to give the go ahead on nuclear weapons you need a faster way to communicate it than the pony express, not to mention email and written word are by far not our only means of communicating information already. Otherwise SIGINT would be out of jobs.[/QUOTE] Nitpicking the example I gave. If you're failing to see the point I can't convince you otherwise.

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;50799223]And again, more cringe.[/QUOTE] "I don't actually have a valid counterargument to anything you're saying, but I'll try to save face by calling your posts cringe because God forbid I lose face on a new Internet forum by admitting I'm wrong."

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50800776][media]https://twitter.com/JDiamond1/status/759200443666923520[/media] This stupid bullshit would normally literally kill a campaign, but Trumpets care so little about what this man says and does, whilst simultaneously tearing over Hillary Clinton's every last action and word, that it won't make a difference. Trump is a disgrace to America. And, as I already [URL="https://laeffyblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/30/where-trump-and-corbyn-meet/"]said[/URL] (an extended version of my original post on my blog), Trump is absolutely not a patriot.[/QUOTE] Only Cult of Trump can be openly anti-military in USA and get away with it without any consequences. [editline]30th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=redBadger;50800809]This is another issue that I have is that people and the media spin EVERYTHING he says to make it negative. What he is saying is not get rid of computers but instead if you want to deliver secret documents or private information to simply hand the general in charge a hand written letter or document or whatever and not to send it over networks that can be hacked. Did you even watch the video? It's privacy issue not computer illiteracy. I don't support either candidate, but open your dam eyes and ears and try to not spin his words out of control like everyone else does.[/QUOTE] That worked brilliantly well in World War One. Oh wait!

[QUOTE=CroGamer002;50801030]Only Cult of Trump can be openly anti-military in USA and get away with it without any consequences. [editline]30th July 2016[/editline] That worked brilliantly well in World War One. Oh wait![/QUOTE] Trump is anti-military? ok He is the only candidate who even bothered mentioning how terrible our veteran are treated, it was one of the first things he mentioned in his campaign, next to the wall.

[QUOTE=wystan;50801117]Trump is anti-military? ok He is the only candidate who even bothered mentioning how terrible our veteran are treated, it was one of the first things he mentioned in his campaign, next to the wall.[/QUOTE] Ah so one of those Trump's populist rethorics you chose to cherry pick as a real policy Trump will fight for?