Veganism works if you have a solid understanding of vegetable nutrition and caloric intake. If you remove the nutrients you would get from meat & egg sources, you [I]have[/I] to replace them with a vegetable substitute. Especially for growing kids.
Moron parents who think you can just pop out meat & eggs out of a regular human diet and replace it with some random veggies from the market are the real problem. They take on veganism without understanding the responsibility on the body that they must take.
[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;50860453]Don't cows eventually die painfully if they aren't milked for too long?[/QUOTE]
Anything that produces milk can. It's called Mastitis. Basically infected milk gland tissue that can kill the issue can cause the udder to fall off.
[QUOTE=VeniVidiVici74;50860949]They need to be milked because their reproductive cycle is artificially stimulated by their keepers. They are impregnated and separated from their soon-to-be-veal calf.
The Italian law does not target vegan diets. It targets malnourishment. It is easy to be malnourished on a vegan diet because nutrients like protein and essential vitamins are more expensive in vegan-safe foods. Considering the rising ethical consciousness in western culture, this anti-vegan consensus is pretty strange for FP.[/QUOTE]
Cows can continue to be in milk for many months after weaning. My mom has milk goats and the kids stay on the tit for 3 months (Average weaning age). Since her goats birth in March, by June, the kids are weaned. This means from June to September or October, she'll be milking. In the case of some does, they produce so much milk that she has to milk them.
They will straight up bellyache and bellow if they're not milked on time. Cows are the same way.
[QUOTE=VeniVidiVici74;50860949]They need to be milked because their reproductive cycle is artificially stimulated by their keepers. They are impregnated and separated from their soon-to-be-veal calf.
The Italian law does not target vegan diets. It targets malnourishment. It is easy to be malnourished on a vegan diet because nutrients like protein and essential vitamins are more expensive in vegan-safe foods. Considering the rising ethical consciousness in western culture, this anti-vegan consensus is pretty strange for FP.[/QUOTE]
I'm not seeing this "rise in ethical consciousness".
A lot of people I know are all for eating meat and ridicule animal rights organizations.
Call me a reactionary on this topic, but I'm all for eating meat/slaughtering animals for food.
[QUOTE=aznz888;50861056]Veganism works if you have a solid understanding of vegetable nutrition and caloric intake. If you remove the nutrients you would get from meat & egg sources, you [I]have[/I] to replace them with a vegetable substitute. Especially for growing kids.
Moron parents who think you can just pop out meat & eggs out of a regular human diet and replace it with some random veggies from the market are the real problem. They take on veganism without understanding the responsibility on the body that they must take.[/QUOTE]
This reminds me of a short newspaper article I saw some years back. Long story short, some dumbfuck bought an Atkins Diet book and read just enough of it to decide that he could lose tons of weight by eating nothing but pastrami and cheesecake. After the emergency double-bypass, he sued the book publisher. Judge threw it out of court. He was probably suing anyone he could just to find some way of getting someone else to pay for his self-inflicted medical bills, but the point is that people these days have a market of plenty and a nutritional education approaching zero.
[QUOTE=unrezt;50860430]parents are shit
at walmart I saw a kid in a cart ask his mom to buy apples and she said "you don't want that"[/QUOTE]
does this lady thing they are candy or something
Why not just eat vegetables and meat and not give a shit about ethics?
The article is worded terribly and goes back and fourth with contradictions
[quote]Parents who force a vegan diet on to their children [B]would[/B] face prison under a new law proposed in Italy.[/quote]
Vegan diets = malnourishment
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Elvira Savino, of centre-right party Forza Italia, has proposed legislation under which parents who provide children aged 16 and under with a [B]"diet lacking essential elements for an healthy growth"[/B] face up to two years of prison.
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Apparently not talking about vegan/vegetarianism now
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Ms Savino writes that vegan diets leave children [B]potentially [/B]lacking in iron, zinc and B12, which can lead to neurological problems and anaemia, reports Italian newspaper La Repubblica.
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Wait we are talking about vegan/vegetarian diets - except now they're only potentially harmful
[QUOTE=J!NX;50861952]does this lady thing they are candy or something[/QUOTE]
no, but she had literal candy in the cart (lucky charms)
[QUOTE=unrezt;50862394]no, but she had literal candy in the cart (lucky charms)[/QUOTE]
But Lucky Charms are magically delicious, they must be healthy because the magic will make the kids grow up strong.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;50859476]Why do you need a law just for diets? Isn't it already illegal to harm a child though negligence?[/QUOTE]
In a perfect world we'd only need a single law stating "don't do stupid shit" but because people (myself incl. sadly) try to cut corners with the law then everything needs several books worth of defining
[QUOTE=Tools;50863278]In a perfect world we'd only need a single law stating "don't do stupid shit" but because people (myself incl. sadly) try to cut corners with the law then everything needs several books worth of defining[/QUOTE]
Well, because different people have different interpretations of "stupid shit", that wouldn't really work that well.
[QUOTE=false prophet;50862191]Why not just eat vegetables and meat and not give a shit about ethics?[/QUOTE]
Because that makes too much sense. :v:
Stickin' it to The Man vicariously through your son (specially at the cost of his health) is the cat's pajamas, [I]maaaan![/I]
[QUOTE=VeniVidiVici74;50860949]They need to be milked because their reproductive cycle is artificially stimulated by their keepers. They are impregnated and separated from their soon-to-be-veal calf.
The Italian law does not target vegan diets. It targets malnourishment. It is easy to be malnourished on a vegan diet because nutrients like protein and essential vitamins are more expensive in vegan-safe foods. Considering the rising ethical consciousness in western culture, this anti-vegan consensus is pretty strange for FP.[/QUOTE]
Ethical?
The legitimate reasons for veganism aren't ethical, they're practical. Current meat consumption in the West is unsustainable at the global scale, and is detrimental to health. It makes sense that we should reduce our consumption (not necessarily do without), but I don't think we should be concerned about killing animals for meat when that's what happens to them in the wild in the first place.
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