Iowa teen sues school district, saying he was bullied, severely injured in student attack
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It's sad when kids are more afraid to fight back or at least tell someone about it. They can't defend themselves or they will get in trouble. LOGIC.
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;40137078]Does your school not have security cameras? That could've been used as evidence.[/QUOTE]
They didn't have any cameras in that area, I got cornered in a doorway with an overhang so there was nowhere I could go. I got beat down to the ground by 3 kids and then one of them jumped up and landed on my ankle shattering it at the growth plate. I remember it was like 3 years before we got any news from the lawyer we hired, the whole situation was bullshit.
And the whole fight started because someone had said I was talking shit about them behind their back which I never did. It's okay though, the one who actually broke my ankle got put in jail some time back for assault and theft. As far as I know he is still there.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;40133220]Not to be a dick or anything, but I find it hard to believe that a bunch of guys just smashed their way into a nurses office and attacked the nurse before assaulting an injured guy by breaking his bones, much less that they didn't get into any trouble.[/QUOTE]
i guess i cant blame you for being skepical, ill try to clear a few things up.
this was the one time we got anything done about it, via the police.
we managed to take three of the kids to court, on charges of ABHwith intent to harm/GBH with intent to harm (cant remember exactly, i was 16 at the time) and all i got was £50 compensation from two of the guys, one got off.
most of the guys involved were 16 or younger, and throught the whole process leading up to the hearing i was bullied further by groups of kids who were firends with the guys,( some of them were also spoken to by police for things like "threats to kill", never given more than a warning) but i didnt know who the majority of them were or what their names were, the school made life incredibly difficult for everyone becuase they kept denying anyone involved access to student records under "proctecting students confidentiality" for as long as they could, and even giving the police misinformation at one point.
i didnt really know much about the legal stuff, my mum handled it all with the police, writing letters to other partys etc, occasionally i was called downstairs while at home to talk to police officers and other people with different jobs, including witness proctection, but thats all i really knew about it, i spent most time at home trying to forget it was going on.
[QUOTE=plunger435;40136741]That's what I was thinking, because he also says the nurse was assaulted and they still did nothing. If the nurse is getting assaulted, things will get done.[/QUOTE]
She was involved with the police and at the court as a witness- (although i never saw her personally becuase witness proctection let me talk in seperate room to the rest of the court room, via a camera, i could only see whoever was currently talking to me from my screen and was only present for my part). although i think you are right, i remember my mum did keep saying the the only reason they did anything about it was becuase some members of staff were involved.
[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;40134050] you'd have plenty of eyewitness testimony in your favor.[/QUOTE]
most of the witnesses who werent instigators were my friends and they did back me up in the court case, had some trouble becuase it was deemed too risky to involve people like andy becuase then the deffence could say he used unreasonable force to get them off me.
the whole legal side was a mess, and even after the court case the bullying continued- so i left.
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oh and in regaurds to the compensation, there was some noise about one of them being unable to pay it in one go, so he could choose a weekly ammount to pay instead- the cunt chose somthing like 25p and i was assured this was totally legal.
My school was shit with bullying, the most you'd get was staying in the class during lunchtime. If i wasn't overweight and tall, i would have been bullied so fucking much. Thank god for food.
[QUOTE=wug;40139721]My school was shit with bullying, the most you'd get was staying in the class during lunchtime. If i wasn't overweight and tall, i would have been bullied so fucking much. Thank god for food.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I didn't get bullied a whole lot thanks to my height, but when I did it was pretty brutal because it was always more than one kid.
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;40133138]So what would happen if you call the Police what would the School do/react and what would the Police do and where is this CAN US UK etc[/QUOTE]
Basically the school must hand the investigation over to the police. They will usually participate in one way or another, but be assured, the police are in charge. If the school attempts to punish you for any reason, tell them you will not accept any punishment unless the punishment and the reason for it is given in writing and signed by the principal/headmaster/whatever. It is highly unlikely they will accept these terms and will likely give up. If they do go ahead with it, take the document to the police. I also suggest alerting the PTA (parent-teacher association) and school board to the punishment and provide them with the documentation. DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING. DO NOT CONSENT TO ANY PUNISHMENT, FORMAL OR OTHERWISE. You're not of age anyway, but this way you can avoid having to fight a court battle in the first place.
Where am I coming from? I learned a lot with my own experience with some very persistant school bullies. After years of bullying, getting suspended ~30 out of 180 days a year (they walked free every time), and the administration herp-derping on every single complaint I put in, one day, one of them started a fight with me in front of the whole school. I've seen some serious fights before, but this went bad fast, even by my standards. Somehow I was on top of him strangling him, and only then did the 2 supervisors (who were just standing around before) finally intervene. They told me I was going to get expelled for endangering the life of a student (to be fair, I had nearly strangled him to death). I made sure to get all of this in writing, as well as having a friendly staff member make me copies of all the complaints I had filed. This, along with the various police reports, made for a compelling case. The school board took 2 weeks to review my case, and finally let me back in (with terms of course, you can't just let a victim walk completely free right?). I imagine they saw that our litigation threats were well founded and they were pretty much fucked on all fronts. In retrospect I should not have even accepted their terms but it ended up working in my favour anyway.
It's a good thing I'm as good at school as I am, missing about 10-20% of a school year every year for as long as I did would have held most people back.
I got suspended a few times because I got really mad at people who would pick on me.
So this is how we deal with the problem. It never was an ethics or justice issue with schools. By making it a money issue, they'll be forced to stop being shitheads.
I solved my bullying-problem by outgrowing my bullies. The school did nothing even though I was visibly bullied in front of several teachers. Couple of times they gently pushed the bully and me off each other (I never fought back, I saw what happened to a friend of mine who did, it got worse, MUCH worse, I didn't want that) and said "Come on now, boys." Nowadays I tower over all of my old bullies. They're a bit afraid of me, but I'm not looking for revenge. Their fear of one is enough for me.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;40140315]Basically the school must hand the investigation over to the police. They will usually participate in one way or another, but be assured, the police are in charge. If the school attempts to punish you for any reason, tell them you will not accept any punishment unless the punishment and the reason for it is given in writing and signed by the principal/headmaster/whatever. It is highly unlikely they will accept these terms and will likely give up. If they do go ahead with it, take the document to the police. I also suggest alerting the PTA (parent-teacher association) and school board to the punishment and provide them with the documentation. DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING. DO NOT CONSENT TO ANY PUNISHMENT, FORMAL OR OTHERWISE. You're not of age anyway, but this way you can avoid having to fight a court battle in the first place.
Where am I coming from? I learned a lot with my own experience with some very persistant school bullies. After years of bullying, getting suspended ~30 out of 180 days a year (they walked free every time), and the administration herp-derping on every single complaint I put in, one day, one of them started a fight with me in front of the whole school. I've seen some serious fights before, but this went bad fast, even by my standards. Somehow I was on top of him strangling him, and only then did the 2 supervisors (who were just standing around before) finally intervene. They told me I was going to get expelled for endangering the life of a student (to be fair, I had nearly strangled him to death). I made sure to get all of this in writing, as well as having a friendly staff member make me copies of all the complaints I had filed. This, along with the various police reports, made for a compelling case. The school board took 2 weeks to review my case, and finally let me back in (with terms of course, you can't just let a victim walk completely free right?). I imagine they saw that our litigation threats were well founded and they were pretty much fucked on all fronts. In retrospect I should not have even accepted their terms but it ended up working in my favour anyway.
It's a good thing I'm as good at school as I am, missing about 10-20% of a school year every year for as long as I did would have held most people back.[/QUOTE]
where these kids like on the Sport's team or something
[QUOTE=thisispain;40128946]zero tolerance exists because its unfair to expect school staff to play judge jury and executioner.
its not their job to sort out disputes between students because that basically makes them liable for whatever happens, zero tolerance protects the staff (some argue at the cost of the students)[/QUOTE]
Schools have an obligation to protect their students though.
I don't know if it's the whole of Britain, or just my school, but one of the few things it's alright at is the bullying policy. They're still obsessed with self-image, so they'll only take small steps like moving bullies, etc, but as soon as a kid (especially a smart one, who a lot of the victims are because we're in a semi-chavvy area) breaks down in class, the school's right on the case, bringing parents in, having discussions, getting names, and taking action. Shame it's probably motivated more by wanting the student to be stable enough to get good grades than actually just helping them, but it's a good step towards making kids realise that if they talk to somebody, [b]that person can actually help[/b] if they're an authority figure. Most of the time.
[editline]3rd April 2013[/editline]
Seriously though, I see far too many people breaking down at this school.
[QUOTE=Doomish;40128796]I got beat up once by a guy two grades up and a head taller than me in high school, and [I]I[/I] got a week's suspension because he was on the track team and was basically their star runner
Being on any sort of sports team basically makes you immune to penalties so you can bully whoever you want and get away with it and that's fucking dumb
Fuck bullies, seriously[/QUOTE]
Sounds like an american thing to me.
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