• Mormons continue to baptise Dead Jews, inciting anger in everyone (including me)
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[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34940816]It's desecrating bodies.[/QUOTE] They're not digging them up.
[QUOTE=Drasnus;34940897]They're not digging them up.[/QUOTE] It's still a massive lack of respect. You don't see people going to random graves to change the dates of birth and death or the name of whoever is inside, so you shouldn't see people changing one's beliefs after his death.
[QUOTE=Kwaq;34940171]who cares about this most of the people on this forum are atheist and this is literally doing nothing to anyone[/QUOTE] I am an Atheist and I care. This is incredibly unethical and disrespectful. It's the religious equivalent of pissing and shitting on someone's grave, something people here on the forum [I]would[/I] care about. I don't see why you shouldn't care. EDIT: Reading more into it I see Mormons give the choice to the spirit be baptized or not so I guess it isn't so bad, but I can really see how the conflict here unfolds. No one's the "bad guy" here.
1.) I read this as "Morons continue to baptise Dead Jews" at first 2.) Don't bash on Mormons because of the stupid shit their institution is doing. America has an awful history of religious persecution based on cultural beliefs, and Mormons are one of those entities who have fallen victim to this persecution repeatedly. Go against the institution, not the people involved.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34940931]It's still a massive lack of respect. You don't see people going to random graves to change the dates of birth and death or the name of whoever is inside, so you shouldn't see people changing one's beliefs after his death.[/QUOTE] But it doesn't. It simply provides the option to the dead in the event that they abruptly decide to become a Mormon after death. It's entirely motivated by good intentions; I know if I were basically standing at the gates of Hell with some pointy-horned dude saying "ya shoulda been a Mormon fuckface" I'd feel sort of screwed over by the system. It's sort of a divine escape route in case anybody needs it. If they don't, great. If they do, it's there for them.
[QUOTE=Cone;34940966]But it doesn't. It simply provides the option to the dead in the event that they abruptly decide to become a Mormon after death. It's entirely motivated by good intentions; I know if I were basically standing at the gates of Hell with some pointy-horned dude saying "ya shoulda been a Mormon fuckface" I'd feel sort of screwed over by the system. It's sort of a divine escape route in case anybody needs it. If they don't, great. If they do, it's there for them.[/QUOTE] Except they are doing it to dead people who as far as I'm concerned didn't ask for shit. If these people decided to follow the Judaic religion, then let them die Jewish and remain Jewish after death, instead of assuming they might have wanted to be Mormons and baptise them post-mortem. These mormons aren't the best placed to tell other people what religion to or not to follow.
If they died jewish then they died jewish, and if there is some kind of afterlife they will still be jewish since that's the belief they had when they died. Just because some mormons desecrated their grave doesn't mean their belief they had when they were alive has changed. That just sounds stupid. It's still wrong to desecrate someones grave, especially since the family of the dead one are affected by it.
[QUOTE=gamefreek76;34940181]Nah. Mormons are generally nice people. They're a bit weird, but friendly. Like canadians. Infact, Mormons absolutely love Jews and hold them in high regard. They don't mean any malicious intent when the posthumously baptize jews.[/QUOTE] I was merely clarifying the Op's statement after the article, I too think bashing mormons is a bit radical.
[QUOTE=Kwaq;34940171]who cares about this most of the people on this forum are atheist and this is literally doing nothing to anyone[/QUOTE] Just because they're atheist doesn't mean they have no morals.
As sad as this is, is spreading more hate to another specific group really a long-term solution? FUCK I'm so sick of people preaching tolerance and then turning around and going "but these guys are REALLY bad so let's shit all over them." The Mormons are doing what they spiritually believe to be right. The Jews do the same. Yeah, it's sad when something like this happens, placing two religions at odds with one another, but that doesn't make followers of the Mormon faith any less deserving of respect than Jewish people.
I don't see this as any more absurd or outrageous than any other aspect of their or any religion.
[QUOTE=SaintHitler;34940178]You do know Hitler infact had a jewish girlfriend in his teen life (circa 13 to 15.), right?[/QUOTE] I wonder if she dumped him in a particularly harsh way...
[QUOTE=Kwaq;34940171]who cares about this most of the people on this forum are atheist and this is literally doing nothing to anyone[/QUOTE] Pretend for a second they're baptizing atheists. Would you still say "this is literally doing nothing to anyone?" It's a matter of respect for someones beliefs and morals, regardless of whether or not you believe in the same things they do.
I don't understand how this is being considered as the "desecration" of their grave considering the physical grave is not even so much as looked at. The baptism itself is done by a living, willing person who goes through the physical baptism process in their name, and its not done by just anyone either. Its done in their Temples, buildings that to them are so friggen awesome that you have to go through a screening process to be let in. I got to see one while it was being re-dedicated during a tour they had. its an incredibly beautiful building. Had to wear little booties and everything. The "Baptisms for the Dead" as they call them are one of the most important things they do there. Seriously the damn baptism pool is the size of a large hot tub. The one I saw was on top of this massive decorated pillar with all this symbolism and stuff. It was pretty impressive. Regardless, the point I'm trying to make here is they take these very seriously. Their objective is not to screw with people in the afterlife. Their objective is to give them an out should they wish to be "saved" (Mormon "saved"). They don't want to insult anyone or disrespect anyone, they're just giving them an eternal alternative should they wish to change their mind at some point in the next infinity billion years. The only reason I see for people to be upset over this is if they simply don't understand the process or what it means and symbolizes. I myself am not of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (what a mouthful) but I at least get the point of it.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34944012]I don't understand how this is being considered as the "desecration" of their grave considering the physical grave is not even so much as looked at. The baptism itself is done by a living, willing person who goes through the physical baptism process in their name, and its not done by just anyone either. Its done in their Temples, buildings that to them are so friggen awesome that you have to go through a screening process to be let in. I got to see one while it was being re-dedicated during a tour they had. its an incredibly beautiful building. Had to wear little booties and everything. The "Baptisms for the Dead" as they call them are one of the most important things they do there. Seriously the damn baptism pool is the size of a large hot tub. The one I saw was on top of this massive decorated pillar with all this symbolism and stuff. It was pretty impressive. Regardless, the point I'm trying to make here is they take these very seriously. Their objective is not to screw with people in the afterlife. Their objective is to give them an out should they wish to be "saved" (Mormon "saved"). They don't want to insult anyone or disrespect anyone, they're just giving them an eternal alternative should they wish to change their mind at some point in the next infinity billion years. The only reason I see for people to be upset over this is if they simply don't understand the process or what it means and symbolizes. I myself am not of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (what a mouthful) but I at least get the point of it.[/QUOTE] Mormons have temples?
[QUOTE=Nevermind.;34940203]Don't bash on Mormons just because of this, that's silly that just because a very radical group of Mormons are doing this does not mean you should take the religion as a whole as crazy.[/QUOTE] Because the bases of their religion isn't crazy at all? :v:
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34944063]Mormons have temples?[/QUOTE] Yeah. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/1Nb04.jpg[/IMG] That's only one of them. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_temples_of_The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints"]They have a lot[/URL].
[QUOTE=SaintHitler;34940141]This is like religion rape by [b]forcing a religion on to someone whos dead[/b] or can't say anything about it, people need to start bashing mormons asap, so they won't spread there stupidity anymore. SOURCE FROM THE YAHOO TIMES ([B][I]Requested by: Megafan[/I][/B]) [URL="http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/trending-now/public-outrage-over-alleged-mormon-baptism-anne-frank-173843648.html"]http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/trending-now/public-outrage-over-alleged-mormon-baptism-anne-frank-173843648.html[/URL][/QUOTE] No it isn't - they believe that they can reject their baptism.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34944063]Mormons have temples?[/QUOTE] Oh yeah. They got HUGE temples. [url]http://www.ldschurchtemples.com/atlanta/[/url] [img]http://www.ldschurchtemples.com/atlanta/images/atlanta-mormon-temple.jpg[/img] Fancy places, MEGA fancy places. The people that go in there [I]only[/I] wear white clothes. There are some rooms that you don't even [I]speak[/I] in. Serious stuff. To get in there is a huge interview process and a spiritual cleansing and so much stuff just to simply walk in the doors. Process takes a good couple months.
[QUOTE=Megafan;34940471]You did not just source Daily Mail, did you?[/QUOTE] Ass. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Why Reply?" - Megafan))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=EmperorVagak;34944182]Yeah. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/1Nb04.jpg[/IMG] That's only one of them. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_temples_of_The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints"]They have a lot[/URL].[/QUOTE] That is a pretty awesome building if I'm honest.
Wait, how are the mormons doing this? Are they forcing their way into funeral homes and baptizing them? Have the mormons dominated the coroner industry? [QUOTE] Now it has been revealed [Daniel Pearl] was baptised by proxy in June 2011 at a Mormon temple in Twin Falls, Idaho, in a practice that has already been causing outrage among Jews.[/QUOTE] Wait wasn't he decapitated :pwn:
I just came across this website by accident :v: [url]http://alldeadmormonsarenowgay.com/[/url]
[QUOTE=Kljunas;34945452]I just came across this website by accident :v: [url]http://alldeadmormonsarenowgay.com/[/url][/QUOTE] Holy shit I just made someone gay :v:! (Never though I'd say that)
fuck dem mormon cunts
[QUOTE=timmah638;34943941]Pretend for a second they're baptizing atheists. Would you still say "this is literally doing nothing to anyone?" It's a matter of respect for someones beliefs and morals, regardless of whether or not you believe in the same things they do.[/QUOTE] they could be baptizing potatoes for all i care
Colbert's conversions [url]http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/409086/february-23-2012/posthumous-mormon-baptism[/url] (don't quote me on the video since it might not be the exact clip due to me not being able to see it due to country restrictions)
it's not that important for jews because we (well not me personally) believe that going to heaven relies on being a good person and nothing else.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34949272]it's not that important for jews because we (well not me personally) believe that going to heaven relies on being a good person and nothing else.[/QUOTE] I should so be jewish, that sounds so awesome. Like seriously.
[QUOTE=Kljunas;34945452]I just came across this website by accident :v: [url]http://alldeadmormonsarenowgay.com/[/url][/QUOTE] Not trying to be "that guy", but Mormons believe that when they baptize the dead (via proxy), the deceased's spirit has the option of choosing to accept Mormonism or not. This website, even if it's entirely satirical, only really shows how gays(?) don't understand how the process works. The dead Mormon would have to accept being gay, they just don't suddenly become gay. Similarly, the dead Jew doesn't suddenly become Mormon against their will, they have the option of accepting it.
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