Bernie Sanders draws crowd of 11,000 in Red State Arizona. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Rossy167;48244424]Why can't we have guys like Bernie here in the UK? for a more inherently left wing country we sure have terrible left wing politicians.[/QUOTE] It's really a shame the Lib Dems fell apart during the coalition. Smart move on the Tories to take the only real left wing contender they have and keep them as the fall guy with false promises of power. Hopefully this term of Tory nightmares will remind people that Clegg, for all his failings, did actually try and reign shit in during the coalition. [editline]19th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=benzi2k7;48244442]the media over here does that for our politicians[/QUOTE] True, the whole Milliband thing is a good example really. After looking weird eating one sandwich the media fixated on him as "that weird guy who fucked his brother over". But at least the politicians themselves can't run this stuff, and if they are found funding it I expect that can be quite unpleasant.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;48244448]It's really a shame the Lib Dems fell apart during the coalition. Smart move on the Tories to take the only real left wing contender they have and keep them as the fall guy with false promises of power. Hopefully this term of Tory nightmares will remind people that Clegg, for all his failings, did actually try and reign shit in during the coalition.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately, I've said this time and time again: Tory voters love Tories, they think they're the best thing ever, they don't understand how austerity completely negates Keyne's ideas on economics (and he's right Imo, he was THE economist) and they really believe the Tories are what's best for the UK. It really sucks, we have no actual liberal and left wing party that any of the informed or young generation will vote for.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;48244448]True, the whole Milliband thing is a good example really. After looking weird eating one sandwich the media fixated on him as "that weird guy who fucked his brother over". But at least the politicians themselves can't run this stuff, and if they are found funding it I expect that can be quite unpleasant.[/QUOTE]the fantastic thing is they've gotten themselves into a position over the decades that they don't have to run it or fund it themselves, News Corp voluntarily position themselves as the rights loudspeaker blaring noise. they get to sit back and relax while the news cycle runs on auto-pilot. doesn't stop them getting involved when the system gets [URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2104406/Michael-Gove-Leveson-Inquiry-created-chilling-atmosphere-threatens-free-speech.html"]threatened[/URL] of course. their relationship is very close, in a perverse way, especially in regards to people like Andy Coulson and Rebekah Brooks. ed miliband also got very cosy with rupert back in 2011, not that it helped him cus labour is still lefty labour aka The Enemy in the eyes of the media, no matter how much their policies started to look like the tories. we don't really have the money or scale to do the full on constant fox news type media over here, but the british public is infatuated with print journalism and that works just as well.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;48244013]The Republicans have been getting weaker? From the mid-term election last year, the Republicans have their largest majority in the House of Representatives [b]since 1928[/b]. And it's not just at the federal level; of the 36 governorships up for election last year, 24 went to Republicans.[/QUOTE] six words: low voter turnout rural backwater states [QUOTE=Rangergxi;48243371]America has had 3 parties before. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_(United_States,_1912)[/url] Hell, before the Republicans you had a party called the Whigs. Parties can die and be replaced.[/QUOTE] the progressive party only existed because teddy roosevelt was the one running on the ticket ironically, that split the republican vote and was basically the only reason woodrow wilson was elected into office

[QUOTE=joes33431;48246262]six words: low voter turnout rural backwater states[/QUOTE] So what? The Republicans aren't getting weaker, pull your head out of your ass. If Democrats can't turn up to vote, too fucking bad.

I dunno, Bernie is the first candidate I've seen that's actually made me get off my ass and need to vote. And I know many like me, who wouldn't even bother to vote in this election if it wasn't for him.

arizona is a red state but phoenix is firmly blue

I'm unfortunately skeptical for Bernie only because of Clinton's name-recognition she has going for her. I'm really hoping her poor reputation mixed with Sanders' (in my opinion) fantastic ideals will put him in the lead for the primaries.

[QUOTE=WitheredGryphon;48248156]I'm unfortunately skeptical for Bernie only because of Clinton's name-recognition she has going for her. I'm really hoping her poor reputation mixed with Sanders' (in my opinion) fantastic ideals will put him in the lead for the primaries.[/QUOTE] It's gonna take more than that, it takes individual people that would normally not volunteer to help with the campaign and get the word out.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;48248195]It's gonna take more than that, it takes individual people that would normally not volunteer to help with the campaign and get the word out.[/QUOTE] Which I think Sanders has the most chance at getting. Clinton and Bush aren't going to get those who usually don't do anything because they are quite literally more of the same candidates that have been running/in power for the last couple decades. I don't think he has enough support yet, but I can damn well hope he gets it.

[QUOTE=WitheredGryphon;48248156]I'm unfortunately skeptical for Bernie only because of Clinton's name-recognition she has going for her.[/QUOTE] She's also got billionaire backing, which Bernie won't and never will have because they don't like him and he doesn't' want them.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48248319]She's also got billionaire backing, which Bernie won't and never will have because they don't like him and he doesn't' want them.[/QUOTE] but she also has an absolute fuckload of people who hate her

[QUOTE=butre;48248386]but she also has an absolute fuckload of people who hate her[/QUOTE] Bernie has just as many if not many more.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48248435]Bernie has just as many if not many more.[/QUOTE] bernie hasn't outright said he wants to ban guns entirely yet so he's still got a chance

I like bernie, but I also think he has no chance of going up against Hillary

[QUOTE=butre;48248477]bernie hasn't outright said he wants to ban guns entirely yet so he's still got a chance[/QUOTE] He supports banning semi-automatic weapons[del] and the 'right' to sue gun companies if their products are used in a crime.[/del] He's also identified as a Socialist. That's a very fast way to make enemies in this country.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48248535]He supports banning semi-automatic weapons and the 'right' to sue gun companies if their products are used in a crime. He's also identified as a Socialist. That's a very fast way to make enemies in this country.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Sanders has faced criticism from the left for voting in 2005 to shield gun manufacturers from lawsuits by gun violence victims -- which frustrated the families of the victims of the 2012 Aurora, Colorado theater shooter. "If somebody has a gun and it falls into the hands of a murderer and the murderer kills somebody with a gun, do you hold the gun manufacturer responsible? Not any more than you would hold a hammer company responsible if somebody beats somebody over the head with a hammer. That is not what a lawsuit should be about," Sanders said Sunday.[/QUOTE] And does he actually want to ban semi-automatic weapons (as in pistols as well)?

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;48248708]And does he actually want to ban semi-automatic weapons (as in pistols as well)?[/QUOTE] My bad I misread the first part. But he still wants to ban semi-automatic weapons (that would include all semi-automatics). Many people don't agree with that, including myself.

It's great to see him rising in the polls. :hypeisreal: [url]http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary[/url] [url]http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html[/url]

[QUOTE=joes33431;48246262]six words: low voter turnout rural backwater states[/QUOTE] So? It doesn't mean the GOP are dying. It means the same thing could happen again in 2018, 2022 and so on. However the GOP are in a strong position for the 2016 election, especially with their majority in the Senate. If for some reason Sanders is nominated as the candidate for the Democrats, they might as well just give away the Presidency to a Republican on a silver platter. He's too far to the left for most Americans; it would provide a moderate Republican candidate with great odds.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48248435]Bernie has just as many if not many more.[/QUOTE] Depends most people hate him because of the horrible reputation socialism has here

[QUOTE=Antdawg;48249047]So? It doesn't mean the GOP are dying. It means the same thing could happen again in 2018, 2022 and so on. However the GOP are in a strong position for the 2016 election, especially with their majority in the Senate. If for some reason Sanders is nominated as the candidate for the Democrats, they might as well just give away the Presidency to a Republican on a silver platter. He's too far to the left for most Americans; it would provide a moderate Republican candidate with great odds.[/QUOTE] Unless it's a Tea Party reactionist like Santorum, most moderates support some degree of progressive social change, rather than regressing to how things used to be [editline]19th July 2015[/editline] Imagine him debating a Republican though. He'd probably say something radical and populist, to which the republican would snicker" Of course you think that, you're a socialist" expecting that to get him mad because socialism is a dirty word here, but he'll just be like "Yes I am, buddy boy, what else is new"

[QUOTE=WitheredGryphon;48248156]I'm unfortunately skeptical for Bernie only because of Clinton's name-recognition she has going for her. I'm really hoping her poor reputation mixed with Sanders' (in my opinion) fantastic ideals will put him in the lead for the primaries.[/QUOTE] It's pretty common knowledge Hillary was a straight bitch to white house staff when she was First Lady, and still is. She hasn't a chance, even with all her money and name. She's just too unlikable and phony.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48248435]Bernie has just as many if not many more.[/QUOTE] I disagree. The two message boards I visit most are Facepunch (fairly liberal) and a small gaming related forum that happens to be full of neocons for some reason. I've seen nothing but mountains of hate for Hillary on both boards, and I've seen nothing but love for Bernie on Facepunch and hardly any hate for him on the board full of neocons. Then again, I didn't see much hate for Obama until he won the primary, so who knows.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;48248708]And does he actually want to ban semi-automatic weapons (as in pistols as well)?[/QUOTE] Can someone link me this? I can't find where he said anything about semi auto weapons. I'm not a gun owner, but he comes off to me as pretty sensible and [URL="http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/24/417180805/bernie-sanders-walks-a-fine-line-on-gun-control"]understanding about guns[/URL].

[QUOTE=Antdawg;48249047]So? It doesn't mean the GOP are dying. It means the same thing could happen again in 2018, 2022 and so on. However the GOP are in a strong position for the 2016 election, especially with their majority in the Senate. If for some reason Sanders is nominated as the candidate for the Democrats, they might as well just give away the Presidency to a Republican on a silver platter. He's too far to the left for most Americans; it would provide a moderate Republican candidate with great odds.[/QUOTE] Is this a joke? His "too far left" politics are surging in popularity right now. [editline]20th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=CreeplyTuna;48249769]Can someone link me this? I can't find where he said anything about semi auto weapons. I'm not a gun owner, but he comes off to me as pretty sensible and [URL="http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/24/417180805/bernie-sanders-walks-a-fine-line-on-gun-control"]understanding about guns[/URL].[/QUOTE] He supports a federal assault weapon ban. His official stance on gun control is that gun laws need to be localized on the state and city level because gun ownership means different things to different people depending on where they live in the US.

The NRA still ranks him as an F on gun control. Their ratings are a bit of a joke, being a Democrat virtually guarantees an F regardless of your actual stance.

[QUOTE=laserpanda;48249923]The NRA still ranks him as an F on gun control. Their ratings are a bit of a joke, being a Democrat virtually guarantees an F regardless of your actual stance.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure you need to legalize military grade flamethrower sales for them to give you anything above D.

Yeah a lot of you have your heads in your asses. Bernie has a huge amount of support from fed-up conservatives and libertarians. He has been shooting up in the polls lately, and is beginning to campaign down south. Something Democrats barely do anymore. He has raised 15 million mostly from donations less than 200 dollars. He's pretty moderate on gun-control, and really isn't far left at all. Sure, he may have a hard time getting the nomination, he will, but the nomination isn't completely out of grabs like we all thought 2 months ago.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;48249047]So? It doesn't mean the GOP are dying. It means the same thing could happen again in 2018, 2022 and so on. However the GOP are in a strong position for the 2016 election, especially with their majority in the Senate. If for some reason Sanders is nominated as the candidate for the Democrats, they might as well just give away the Presidency to a Republican on a silver platter. He's too far to the left for most Americans; it would provide a moderate Republican candidate with great odds.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=FlashMarsh;48247556]So what? The Republicans aren't getting weaker, pull your head out of your ass. If Democrats can't turn up to vote, too fucking bad.[/QUOTE] i was suggesting that governorships and congressional seats aren't effective evidence to prove a majority public consensus since, y'know, they can be skewed by things like voter turnout