• Tesla Motors: All Our Patent Are Belong To You
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The title is real oh wow
If the result of that action is that more auto companies build EV's, it will help push governments and private companies to build charging networks around the world like they have done [URL="http://www.ladestasjoner.no/"]here[/URL]. This will profit Tesla. Furthermore, normalizing the EV as a household vehicle could push sales of Teslas drastically. And finally, should more automotive companies work on building EV's, we'd see some drastic improvements in battery life (hopefully), perhaps a more efficient type of battery that's more sustainable than lithium-ion.
Really love Tesla, this will definitely excel the total electric car market.
I thought the "hurr tesla 'splode catch fire" joke was old enough that people would recognize it as one, but apparently not.
[QUOTE=MR2;45087802]Maybe the real reason why "the big car companies" are not copying the technology is because toyota and renault batteries don't explode.[/QUOTE] ..and neither do Teslas. [QUOTE]In 2013, two extremely unusual Model S collisions resulted in underbody damage that led to car fires. These incidents, unfortunately, received more national headlines than the other 200,000 gasoline car fires that happened last year in North America alone. In both cases, the occupants walked away unharmed, thanks to the car’s safety features. The onboard computer warned the occupants to exit the vehicles, which they did well before any fire was noticeable. However, even if the occupants had remained in the vehicle and the fire department had not arrived, they would still have been safely protected by the steel and ceramic firewall between the battery pack and the passenger compartment. It is important to note that there have been no fire injuries (or serious, permanent injuries of any kind) in a Tesla at all. The odds of fire in a Model S, at roughly 1 in 8,000 vehicles, are five times lower than those of an average gasoline car and, when a fire does occur, the actual combustion potential is comparatively small. However, to improve things further, we provided an over-the-air software update a few months ago to increase the default ground clearance of the Model S at highway speeds, substantially reducing the odds of a severe underbody impact.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE][..] like the other Model S impact fire, which occurred last year in Mexico. This happened after the vehicle impacted a roundabout at 110 mph, shearing off 15 feet of concrete curbwall and tearing off the left front wheel, then smashing through an eight foot tall buttressed concrete wall on the other side of the road and tearing off the right front wheel, before crashing into a tree. The driver stepped out and walked away with no permanent injuries and a fire, again limited to the front section of the vehicle, started several minutes later. [...][/QUOTE] You should read the rest. There's more. [url]https://medium.com/@teslamotors/tesla-adds-titanium-underbody-shield-and-aluminum-deflector-plates-to-model-s-544f35965a0d[/url]
What's with this 'competition is all gas-powered vehicles killing the earth' business? Elon makes out like Tesla's an environmental non-profit, not a business. He also acts like the only reason everyone doesn't have a Tesla is because he can't make enough of them and he needs major automakers to build some for him, hence the patents.
[QUOTE=mac338;45088003]...and neither do Teslas. You should read the rest. There's more. [url]https://medium.com/@teslamotors/tesla-adds-titanium-underbody-shield-and-aluminum-deflector-plates-to-model-s-544f35965a0d[/url][/QUOTE] Something you should know about MR2 is that he has a ferverent, almost psychotic hatred for electric vehicles, but especially Tesla because they at the forefront and push it harder than anyone. So he'll mislead and lie regularly to make them look bad and regularly gets called on it.
[QUOTE=MR2;45087802]Maybe the real reason why "the big car companies" are not copying the technology is because toyota and renault batteries don't explode.[/QUOTE] Lead acid car batteries can absolutely explode. So can the gas tank. The engine can blow up as well. In a wreck, all three of these things could theoretically explode instantly and simultaneously. The worst Tesla wreck involved a slow buildup of heat and a car that warned the driver to pull over and exit the vehicle before a fire even started. If you puncture the gas tank on your car and expose that to a spark in rapid succession, like what would happen if you hit the same curved piece of metal that the one Tesla hit, do you think you'll get much warning? [QUOTE=MR2;45087802]I thought the "hurr tesla 'splode catch fire" joke was old enough that people would recognize it as one, but apparently not.[/QUOTE] [i]"Haha just kidding I was only pretending"[/i]
[QUOTE=MR2;45088017]What's with this 'competition is all gas-powered vehicles killing the earth' business?[/QUOTE] Well, mister, we need to get rid of gas vehicles sooner or later. As nice as some of them are, gasoline is finite and pollution is fairly unarguably not a fantastic thing. [QUOTE=MR2;45088017]Elon makes out like Tesla's an environmental non-profit, not a business.[/QUOTE] I don't understand this argument, exactly. Mind re-phrasing? [QUOTE=MR2;45088017]He also acts like the only reason everyone doesn't have a Tesla is because he can't make enough of them and he needs major automakers to build some for him, hence the patents.[/QUOTE] That's actually true here in Norway. :v: There's a many month long wait to get one because they can't make them fast enough. It's actually been the best selling vehicle in this country for a few months now. I have nothing against regular auto makers. I generally find it to be an exceptionally integrous industry, actually, and I'm glad Tesla can be a part of it.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;45088034]If you puncture the gas tank on your car and expose that to a spark in rapid succession, like what would happen if you hit the same curved piece of metal that the one Tesla hit, do you think you'll get much warning?[/QUOTE] The magic of ICEs would carefully eject the the occupants out of the vehicle in a totally controlled explosion.
Best way to advance and spread technology is to share knowledge and allow it's use. Tesla wants the electric car to become a thing and for that they'll have to advance fast if they want to catch up to the combustion engine that has had already a century of development. They'll probably do the same with whatever they come up with in the battery Gigafactory they're building. Elon might just go down in history as the Ford of electric cars.
This is how you advance the human race, not by saying FUCK YOU GIVE ME MONEY.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;45088033]Something you should know about MR2 is that he has a ferverent, almost psychotic hatred for electric vehicles, but especially Tesla because they at the forefront and push it harder than anyone. So he'll mislead and lie regularly to make them look bad and regularly gets called on it.[/QUOTE] Yes, because in every thread about Tesla I talk shit about them. Oh wait, no I don't. Stop making shit up. Unless saying "I wouldn't drive one" counts as having a psychotic hatred from them, in which case you're just an imbecile. [editline]13th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=mac338;45088080]gasoline is finite. [/QUOTE] algae, my friend [QUOTE=mac338;45088080]Well, mister, we need to get rid of gas vehicles sooner or later.[/QUOTE] That's not going to happen though. There's too much of a market for ICE for that to happen, and it's not like the electric motor is inherently superior. The Model S doesn't perform nearly as good as some people make it out to. And don't act as if being driven by gigantic neodynium magnets, a resource we're in danger of losing way faster than gasoline, is something 100% ecological.
[QUOTE=MR2;45088132]Yes, because in every thread about Tesla I talk shit about them. Oh wait, no I don't. Stop making shit up. Unless saying "I wouldn't drive one" counts as having a psychotic hatred from them, in which case you're just an imbecile.[/QUOTE] No, you really do. And anyone who has ever read a thread about Tesla on here has likely seen it. Without fail, you do it. You've been doing it since you joined. You make crap up about them, you constantly exaggerate perceived flaws, conveniently ignore facts. All the damn time.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;45088180]No, you really do. And anyone who has ever read a thread about Tesla on here has likely seen it. Without fail, you do it. You've been doing it since you joined. You make crap up about them, you constantly exaggerate perceived flaws, conveniently ignore facts. All the damn time.[/QUOTE] If you're gonna make these claims, take screenshots or something. Most I've done is say subjective things like "I don't like electric cars because [reasons]" and then get showered by boxes because it's a sin to dislike the Model S, even if I've bloody driven one.
[QUOTE=MR2;45088132]algae, my friend[/QUOTE] A band aid to a problem we shouldn't have. Also burning gasoline is still pollution. [QUOTE=MR2;45088132]That's not going to happen though. There's too much of a market for ICE for that to happen, and it's not like the electric motor is inherently superior. The Model S doesn't perform nearly as good as some people make it out to. And don't act as if being driven by gigantic neodynium magnets, a resource we're in danger of losing way faster than gasoline, is something 100% ecological.[/QUOTE] Electric Motors are superior, they don't need to have gearboxes and can be simpler to maintain. Magnets can be recycled, fossil fuels can't. [editline]13th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=MR2;45088017]What's with this 'competition is all gas-powered vehicles killing the earth' business? Elon makes out like Tesla's an environmental non-profit, not a business. He also acts like the only reason everyone doesn't have a Tesla is because he can't make enough of them and he needs major automakers to build some for him, hence the patents.[/QUOTE] That is his point exactly, Tesla couldn't possibly make enough vehicles to replace all of the existing vehicles. The only chance we have of doing that is if we move to producing electric vehicles rather than just having Tesla and a few other token efforts.
This old post I dug up summarizes pretty much why I love the algae thing I talked about. [QUOTE=OvB;43478911]I really like algae farming for fuel and plastic production, I think it'll be a good way to get off of the need to drill. However I still think electric vehicles have a place in the future [I]along side[/I] side petrol/LNG/Hydrogen vehicles because if we were to replace our entire current oil usage with algae farms, I'd take a bet that it would require an extreme amount of land that could be better used for farming. Luckily, algae is less restricted to climates so maybe you could get away with growing it in the desert or other infertile areas. Nuclear, localized solar, wind, tidal for the energy grid. Algae farms for petroleum products. [B]Carbon emission: 0. [/B] (none from nuclear, solar, wind, and tidal, and Algae farming for petroleum is carbon neutral. If you can extract the carbon from the algae you could even use it for sequestration or carbon based products like industrial diamond and composites.) (I have no idea if any of this is true or accurate though, please correct me if I'm wrong.) What's not to love? [editline]9th January 2014[/editline] Oh I almost forgot to mention that something needs to be done about Lithium batteries because if we do make a switch to mostly EV's then we'll just be dependent on that like we are with oil now. Little food for thought for the future.[/QUOTE] [editline]13th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=danharibo;45088260]A band aid to a problem we shouldn't have. Also burning gasoline is still pollution.[/QUOTE] Except it's really not a "band aid", it's carbon neutral. [QUOTE=danharibo;45088260]Electric Motors are superior, they don't need to have gearboxes and can be simpler to maintain. [/QUOTE] But ICE motors are probably easier to mend yourself, less expensive and they have the advantage of range. The gearbox thing isn't necessarily an advantage; An ICE car spends the most gas in acceleration. The smoother your driving, the more you save, and it means that most of the time, the place where the most fuel economy occurs is the motorways. An electric car spends more the faster it goes, which makes it good for cities where the speed is never that high.
Hey I remember that post.
[QUOTE=MR2;45088017]What's with this 'competition is all gas-powered vehicles killing the earth' business? Elon makes out like Tesla's an environmental non-profit, not a business. He also acts like the only reason everyone doesn't have a Tesla is because he can't make enough of them and he needs major automakers to build some for him, hence the patents.[/QUOTE] He wants other automakers to produce their own electric vehicles, which would increase the popularity of electric vehicles, which would spur the government and private companies to invest more money in electric vehicle charging infrastructure, which would make a loop and prompt more people to purchase electric vehicles. Musk is confident that he can make the best electric vehicles, and confident that when more people start looking at EVs they'll look at Tesla first. I don't doubt that Musk wants to do good but make no mistake - this is a business decision too. [editline]12th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=MR2;45088289] But ICE motors are probably easier to mend yourself[/QUOTE] When was the last time you mended the motor in your car? A lot of things on an ICE vehicle are absolutely easy to fix, the motor and transmission are not a part of those things.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;45088455] When was the last time you mended the motor in your car? [/QUOTE] ...last weekend.
[QUOTE=MR2;45088503]...last weekend.[/QUOTE] And what was wrong with it? Replacing spark plugs doesn't count as mending the motor
[QUOTE=Zeke129;45088516]And what was wrong with it? Replacing spark plugs doesn't count as mending the motor[/QUOTE] It was the timing belt, or does that not count too? I've also done maintenance on my transmission last month. Clutches are wear items, after all.
[QUOTE=MR2;45088540]It was the timing belt, or does that not count too? I've also done maintenance on my transmission last month. Clutches are wear items, after all.[/QUOTE] Well, it's definitely not something that the average person knows how to fix, I'll give you that. It's still a part that has no comparable component (comparable point of failure) on an electric engine though. Knowing how to replace the timing belt or clutch after a quick lesson on the internet, but not knowing how to fix an electric motor without an engineering degree, doesn't really count as a strike against electric motors because with an electric motor you won't [i]need[/i] to ever replace anything like that.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;45088613] Knowing how to replace the timing belt or clutch after a quick lesson on the internet, but not knowing how to fix an electric motor without an engineering degree, doesn't really count as a strike against electric motors because with an electric motor you won't [i]need[/i] to ever replace anything like that.[/QUOTE] That's where I was getting at; if something does break, there's no looking it up on the internet. You gotta take it to the shop. And there's the subjective part of it too; fiddling with engines is fun v:v:v
[QUOTE=Zeke129;45088516]And what was wrong with it? Replacing spark plugs doesn't count as mending the motor[/QUOTE] I did an inner tie rod and lower ball joint 3 weeks ago on my car, replaced an ignition coil and sway-bar end links on the truck 2 weeks ago, and I'm putting a new intake manifold and throttle body on my car when I can get around to getting a tune written for it. Me and the guy I bought the car from replaced the stock camshafts with a set of comp cams mutha thumprs and when I replace the valve springs and retainers, that will also be done in the driveway. Replacing clutches, throw-out bearings, flywheels, and even replacing individual gears in a transmission isn't difficult to do, and can be done in your driveway when it comes to transmissions. Hell, I've done a transmission swap with my buddy on his old S10 in his driveway. I didn't know how to do any of these things before I did them. I researched how-to's and guides on the internet and realized that it was nothing more than unbolting and re-bolting parts, and torque values are easily found on the internet. The reason "the average person doesn't know how to fix the engine or transmission" is because they are either too scared to mess something up, too busy to put time aside to do it, or too lazy to do the research and troubleshoot/fix the problem. It doesn't mean that it can't be done by the owner. The difference with cars like the tesla is that you can't service it yourself, even if you wanted to. I can't take one of those electric motors out and replace the shaft or magnets in them. You can't service any of it in your driveway. Hell, you have to take the entire body off of the frame to get any kind of real access to anything. So even if you could modify any of that, you would need a way to lift the entire body off of the frame without messing it up. So you guys can buy all of the EVs that you want. That's cool with me. I'm going to stick with $75 in parts for a repair instead of being forced to pay a shop hundreds or thousands to fix a simple issue.
Where are the bunch of guys that say entrepreneurs and businessmen don't contribute shit to society? Ah... There they are...
Musk has more than lived up to Nikola Tesla's legacy. This man is a bona-fide Tony Stark, and the [i]real[/i] tech revolutionary of the early 21st century. Hit the showers, Jobs.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45088822]I did an inner tie rod and lower ball joint 3 weeks ago on my car, replaced an ignition coil and sway-bar end links on the truck 2 weeks ago, and I'm putting a new intake manifold and throttle body on my car when I can get around to getting a tune written for it. Me and the guy I bought the car from replaced the stock camshafts with a set of comp cams mutha thumprs and when I replace the valve springs and retainers, that will also be done in the driveway. Replacing clutches, throw-out bearings, flywheels, and even replacing individual gears in a transmission isn't difficult to do, and can be done in your driveway when it comes to transmissions. Hell, I've done a transmission swap with my buddy on his old S10 in his driveway. I didn't know how to do any of these things before I did them. I researched how-to's and guides on the internet and realized that it was nothing more than unbolting and re-bolting parts, and torque values are easily found on the internet. The reason "the average person doesn't know how to fix the engine or transmission" is because they are either too scared to mess something up, too busy to put time aside to do it, or too lazy to do the research and troubleshoot/fix the problem. It doesn't mean that it can't be done by the owner. The difference with cars like the tesla is that you can't service it yourself, even if you wanted to. I can't take one of those electric motors out and replace the shaft or magnets in them. You can't service any of it in your driveway. Hell, you have to take the entire body off of the frame to get any kind of real access to anything. So even if you could modify any of that, you would need a way to lift the entire body off of the frame without messing it up. So you guys can buy all of the EVs that you want. That's cool with me. I'm going to stick with $75 in parts for a repair instead of being forced to pay a shop hundreds or thousands to fix a simple issue.[/QUOTE] Everything important is accessed through the bottom. You'll need a heavy duty lift for that though.
Man, since the announcement of the Model S i loved Tesla with all of my heart but now they will have a special place in my heart forever. If life ever looks up to me again and i have a good income i will for sure get a fancy Model S. I even met Elon in Amsterdam. [editline]13th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45088822]I did an inner tie rod and lower ball joint 3 weeks ago on my car, replaced an ignition coil and sway-bar end links on the truck 2 weeks ago, and I'm putting a new intake manifold and throttle body on my car when I can get around to getting a tune written for it. Me and the guy I bought the car from replaced the stock camshafts with a set of comp cams mutha thumprs and when I replace the valve springs and retainers, that will also be done in the driveway. Replacing clutches, throw-out bearings, flywheels, and even replacing individual gears in a transmission isn't difficult to do, and can be done in your driveway when it comes to transmissions. Hell, I've done a transmission swap with my buddy on his old S10 in his driveway. I didn't know how to do any of these things before I did them. I researched how-to's and guides on the internet and realized that it was nothing more than unbolting and re-bolting parts, and torque values are easily found on the internet. The reason "the average person doesn't know how to fix the engine or transmission" is because they are either too scared to mess something up, too busy to put time aside to do it, or too lazy to do the research and troubleshoot/fix the problem. It doesn't mean that it can't be done by the owner. The difference with cars like the tesla is that you can't service it yourself, even if you wanted to. I can't take one of those electric motors out and replace the shaft or magnets in them. You can't service any of it in your driveway. Hell, you have to take the entire body off of the frame to get any kind of real access to anything. So even if you could modify any of that, you would need a way to lift the entire body off of the frame without messing it up. So you guys can buy all of the EVs that you want. That's cool with me. I'm going to stick with $75 in parts for a repair instead of being forced to pay a shop hundreds or thousands to fix a simple issue.[/QUOTE] Eh just so you know, this is the entire motor of the Model S. [img]http://images.fastcompany.com/upload/tesla-model-s-bones.jpg[/img] there is not much to replace about it.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;45086377]Continuum shows what goes wrong when you have a corporate congress[/QUOTE] Good thing I said supreme overlord and not congress member then! This just settles it, Elon Musk for god emperor of mankind!
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