• Bethesda's recommendation for fixing Dishonored 2's shoddy optimization: "just lower the settings"
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[QUOTE=spazthemax;51350205]Doom was good[/QUOTE] DooM was also a mess at launch. Distinct trend. [editline]11th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=The golden;51350376]Gamers are sadly the most gullible and, I hate to say it, stupid group of consumers I can think of. They're willing to get fucked over by doing something and will continue to do that thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over even though they're actually on the losing end of the deal every time.[/QUOTE] Don't forget the deluge of boxes if you dare call for objectivity and inspection before a launch.
[QUOTE=27X;51351472]DooM was also a mess at launch.[/QUOTE] How was it? The only problem I remember was the mouse smoothing and that was easily fixed by a launch command.
Crashes on launch in windowed mode, crashes for dx11 only cards, crashes at boss encounters, and occasionally falling through maps, weapon selection crashes
[QUOTE=27X;51351625]Crashes on launch in windowed mode, crashes for dx11 only cards, crashes at boss encounters, and occasionally falling through maps, weapon selection crashes[/QUOTE] Crashes for Phenom II owners.
You know actually, I do remember that crashes were an issue on launch for a significant amount of people, however I didn't really encounter those, though I guess I'm not the one to talk. Still though, I hope Bethesda doesn't continue on with this shit, they own some of my most favorite IPs and the last thing I want is for them sabotaging those properites.
I didn't encounter frequent crashes with DOOM until much later into the game, and it wasn't too long before a patch was out that fixed that. Still, despite that, the game ran like a fucking dream on my GTX 970. Absolute max settings, and averaging around 85 FPS, getting as high as 140 FPS in some areas, and the game looks amazing. Meanwhile, this is apparently struggling to get to 30 FPS for people on a GTX 1070... Maybe it's the difference in the versions of idTech (I remember hearing something about Void being based on idTech 5, which is notorious for being horribly optimized), but either way, it's inexcusable for any game to be in this state.
I just put all my settings down to very low then turned up a few settings that don't make much difference to performance like texture quality. Honestly find it hard to tell the difference between ultra and very low. Get a minimum of 40 in the city areas and about 80-100 inside on a 970. Game looks great despite all the problems, their art direction is on point.
[QUOTE=27X;51351625]Crashes on launch in windowed mode, crashes for dx11 only cards, crashes at boss encounters, and occasionally falling through maps, weapon selection crashes[/QUOTE] Crashes you can fix, shit performance is much more difficult.
I was really looking forward to this game. Hope they fix it sooner rather than later.
I sure do love holding off buying a game due to the fact that the majority of them are disasters on launch. Pretty sad.
It's like this sort of practice has become somewhat of an unspoken standard for AAA titles. Last game I pre ordered was Skyrim and I can't say I've had any issues with it running ever. But ever since the mega fuck-up that was the diablo 3 launch I've heard about launch issues a lot more.
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51350363]DOOM is the last Bethesda game I'll ever buy.[/QUOTE] Doom is soo good. Running buttery smooth in my 1060 Sad that d2 is running this badly after d1 was pretty well optimized.
fuck bethesda and this shit game. it shouldnt run like crap on a 800 dollar graphics card like the 1080 the only two major titles that run well on PC this year are BF1 and titanfall 2
its strange that the range of results seems to be so large. I can run the game on ultra with everything (including AA) maxed on a 980ti and 4770k and never drop below 55fps in intensive outdoor scenes (lots of water/particle effects)
[QUOTE=gk99;51351186]I mean it's that way for FO4. I exceed all of the recommended requirements except CPU by a massive amount but it runs like shit regardless when you get to urban areas.[/QUOTE] This is very late but I had bad performance in cities until I turned down some settings that had no difference between low and ultra and that made the cities bearable. Still not, of course, excusable. As for this: I'm glad I wasn't looking forward to this game since I haven't playedthe original, because it sounds like everyone's just been screwed over. Betesda's new "no review copies" policy is going to make for terrible launches and I hope they'll eventually suffer for it. ... least Doom 2016 was great, ehhh? Ehhhhhhhhh? [editline]11th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Piciul;51352776]fuck bethesda and this shit game. it shouldnt run like crap on a 800 dollar graphics card like the 1080 the only two major titles that run well on PC this year are BF1 and titanfall 2[/QUOTE] Doom 2016 ran very, very well as did Overwatch.
[QUOTE=PieClock;51350340]I'm not defending the shit optimization on release, because it's a pain that this is the fucking norm these days, but that headline is stupid. They're working on it, but if you want to play now they've listed settings to lower that the community has been saying do make a difference. The headline makes it sound like "ok we have your money, we know about the framerate but just lower your settings, have fun!"[/QUOTE] Sorry but when I put everything on lowest possible settings in the options I still get not more than 40 FPS in some specific areas. I have a 970, 6700K and 32 GB RAM. Bethesda's recommendation like that is just an insult to the consumer. To release a FAQ that basically says: "Hey, have you tried lowering details, yet?" is just really dumb of them for not accepting that it (seems to be) their mistake. And with their mistake I mean that they didn't want to postpone the release of the game and apparently forced Arkane to work with an engine they had no experience with.
[QUOTE=Antimuffin;51353179]Sorry but when I put everything on lowest possible settings in the options I still get not more than 40 FPS in some specific areas. I have a 970, 6700K and 32 GB RAM. Bethesda's recommendation like that is just an insult to the consumer. To release a FAQ that basically says: "Hey, have you tried lowering details, yet?" is just really dumb of them for not accepting that it (seems to be) their mistake. And with their mistake, I mean that they didn't want to postpone the release of the game and apparently forced Arkane to work with an engine they had no experience with.[/QUOTE] Like I said in the very same post you've quoted, I am not defending the shit performance. I agree with the game-postponing comments you've made. But the game is released so... There's obviously not much they can do right now. They're not sitting on top of a game-fixing patch right now giggling as they write blog posts like that. And again, the "hey, have you tried turning down the settings?" is stupidly misrepresentative of the actual post. They've listed specific settings that the community has noticed as heavy FPS hitters. They're talking to a wide audience and suggesting things that may help give people a slightly more enjoyable experience until they can get it fixed up. You don't need to be told these issues are being looked into because they obviously are. They just can't be fixed in an instant.
I'm probably going to stir the pot, but.. This game has Denuvo. A lot of games with Denuvo, come with a bunch of performance issues. Not ALL of them, but a lot of them seem to be. Now, it may not be COMPLETELY related.. But people who have pirated RoTTR, Doom 4, and other Denuvo DRM cracked games run BETTER than the actual product. Tis a shame.
[QUOTE=The golden;51350376]Gamers are sadly the most gullible and, I hate to say it, stupid group of consumers I can think of.[/QUOTE] This they're incredibly fickle as well EVGA went from hero to zero overnight because of a MISTAKE
The game runs well for me on a 970, I'm getting atleast 60fps on high-very high
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51353678]Paid them money for a shoddy product before it even came out. Part of the problem, man.[/QUOTE] It's ok they have him a free game worth under 10 bucks.
[QUOTE=Covalent;51353508]I'm probably going to stir the pot, but.. This game has Denuvo. A lot of games with Denuvo, come with a bunch of performance issues. Not ALL of them, but a lot of them seem to be. Now, it may not be COMPLETELY related.. But people who have pirated RoTTR, Doom 4, and other Denuvo DRM cracked games run BETTER than the actual product. Tis a shame.[/QUOTE] It definitely correlates with Denuvo. What a huge fucking mistake that was.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;51350049]the frame rate being locked to the mouse[/QUOTE] but why? why do devs keep doing this? the last i'd heard of frame rate-related bullshit for a while was for n64 era games, and then suddenly i'm hearing everywhere about devs fucking with frame rates again
Gee Bethesda, why didn't we think of that? It also doesn't do shit, fix your fucking game please.
[QUOTE=Piciul;51352776]fuck bethesda and this shit game. it shouldnt run like crap on a 800 dollar graphics card like the 1080 the only two major titles that run well on PC this year are BF1 and titanfall 2[/QUOTE] Gears of War 4, Shadow Warrior 2, Overwatch and DOOM (if you have enough VRAM) also run great.
[QUOTE=Richardroth;51354293]Gee Bethesda, why didn't we think of that? It also doesn't do shit, fix your fucking game please.[/QUOTE] It's arkane studios' game, not bethesda softworks'.
Why do people mention Overwatch? It's very static and visually simple, it would be embarrassing if it didn't run good.
[QUOTE=Covalent;51353508]I'm probably going to stir the pot, but.. This game has Denuvo. A lot of games with Denuvo, come with a bunch of performance issues. Not ALL of them, but a lot of them seem to be. Now, it may not be COMPLETELY related.. But people who have pirated RoTTR, Doom 4, and other Denuvo DRM cracked games run BETTER than the actual product. Tis a shame.[/QUOTE] Is this just a blatantly anti DRM/Denuvo post or do you have evidence? Evidence, of course, thats contrary to all the denuvo games that DO have good performance?
[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;51354008]It definitely correlates with Denuvo. What a huge fucking mistake that was.[/QUOTE] Correlation is not causation however. I've seen little to no evidence that Denuvo is actually a problem because [I]it's almost certainly not the problem[/I]. Here's the list of supported games from Wikipedia, with ones I generally don't know much about taken out, and how they performed for me and others; [quote] FIFA 15 - Runs fine Lords of the Fallen - Ran terribly at launch, can't tell if it's been resolved yet Dragon Age: Inquisition - Ran hit-and-missly, but lowering the graphical settings sped it up generally Battlefield: Hardline - Ran fine Batman: Arkham Knight - Shitting fuck this was bad at launch, minor improvements since Mad Max - Ran fine I believe? Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain - Like butter on a GTX 460 FIFA 16 - Silky Anno 2205 (until update v1.3) - Removed it anyway Star Wars Battlefront - Ran fine for the most part Just Cause 3 - Ran fine if you fixed the process to high priority, which it should be anyway Rise of the Tomb Raider - Seems fine? Plants vs. Zombies: Garden Warfare 2 - afjhsdfk Far Cry Primal - Ran fine I believe Hitman - Ran fine for most people Need for Speed - Can't really fuck this one up, right? DOOM - Silkiest, smoothest, prettiest thing ever Total War: Warhammer - Total War games have a history of fucked performance Mirror's Edge Catalyst - Didn't see many complaints about performance myself Deus Ex: Mankind Divided (Windows only) - Some issues that were resolved I believe? Pro Evolution Soccer 2017 - It's PES, lets ignore it FIFA 17 - Ran fine Battlefield 1 - Ran fine Just Dance 2017 - ... Titanfall 2 - Apparently has a pretty solid performance on every setting Dishonored 2 - Topic of the thread South Park: The Fractured But Whole - Hard to make this run bad right? [/quote] Almost all of those games run fine despite having Denuvo. In fact, I expect you weren't even aware it was in most of those because [I]it's not a problem[/I]. The performance issues are more likely down to stupid deadlines imposed by project management at the publisher. Games are really quite awkward things to program, especially to the scales consumers want today. If they aren't given time to actually optimise their work before release this happens, DRM or not.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;51355286]Is this just a blatantly anti DRM/Denuvo post or do you have evidence? Evidence, of course, thats contrary to all the denuvo games that DO have good performance?[/QUOTE] Denuvo is a shitty coded virtual machine based DRM with tons of badly implemented obfuscation, therefore it certainly does impact performance. It's all common knowledge, so I ain't spoonfeeding you.
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