Bethesda's recommendation for fixing Dishonored 2's shoddy optimization: "just lower the settings"
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[QUOTE=SouthParkMGT;51355664]Denuvo is a shitty coded virtual machine based DRM with tons of badly implemented obfuscation, therefore it certainly does impact performance. It's all common knowledge, so I ain't spoonfeeding you.[/QUOTE]
That isn't remotely close to the definition of common knowledge. Common knowledge is shit like "breathing keeps your dumb ass alive" or "humans can't withstand the surface temperature of the sun".
If you're going to claim shit about the implementation of something otherwise private, back yourself up with sources. I want to see links to in-depth reverse engineering attempts. I want to see actual scientific investigation into this thing. Pony up the links laddo. And no links to shit like cheat forums either, they're largely a punch of speculating lunatics.
[QUOTE=SouthParkMGT;51355664]Denuvo is a shitty coded virtual machine based DRM with tons of badly implemented obfuscation, therefore it certainly does impact performance. It's all common knowledge, so I ain't spoonfeeding you.[/QUOTE]
As hex said, can you provide some sources. There's nothing pointing to it having tons of [i]badly implemented obfuscations[/i].
Since it is a VM it will have some performance reduction but as previously provided list shows, most of them are barely affected. Such a huge performance issue simply cannot be due to Denuvo.
[QUOTE=Robber;51354356]Gears of War 4, Shadow Warrior 2, Overwatch and DOOM (if you have enough VRAM) also run great.[/QUOTE]
I can't get over how Shadow Warrior 2 runs better than the first game
[QUOTE=spazthemax;51350205]Doom was good[/QUOTE]
The main problem with Doom was that it was Shadow Warrior 2 with a doom paint job.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;51355286]Is this just a blatantly anti DRM/Denuvo post or do you have evidence? Evidence, of course, thats contrary to all the denuvo games that DO have good performance?[/QUOTE]
I think you got a bit too argumentative over what he said. He wasn't asserting anything as fact. He was saying that it seems there is a correlation between denuvo and poor performance. He said that pirated/cracked games using the DRM seem to run better. He wasn't making any grand statement about how broken it is, just posting observations. Observations I can mostly agree with.
[QUOTE=space1;51362270]The main problem with Doom was that it was Shadow Warrior 2 with a doom paint job.[/QUOTE]
What
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51352980]This is very late but I had bad performance in cities until I turned down some settings that had no difference between low and ultra and that made the cities bearable.
Still not, of course, excusable.[/QUOTE]
If I crank everything down to low it still a.) runs like garbage and b.) [url=http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/261597225404412275/62B1029C5433800BDE6228739CC89309D6F01408/]gets graphical errors.[/url] That screenshot is basically the bullshit that happens if you look into the void in a Source Engine game, except it happens on a fucking regular-ass prop and duplicates itself all the way across.
I genuinely have no way to actually play the game at a solid 60 FPS visually bug-free. It's already my least favorite FO4 game before we ever even get into the game or story or [I]anything[/I] because of that.
[QUOTE=Zeos;51355962]I can't get over how Shadow Warrior 2 runs better than the first game[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://windowsreport.com/shadow-warrior-2-denuvo-drm/"]
Shadow Warrior 2 doesn't have Denuvo.[/URL]
I know you're not claiming that it does, but I think it's worth bringing up, since it was considered.
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51354402]Why do people mention Overwatch? It's very static and visually simple, it would be embarrassing if it didn't run good.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget its a multiplayer game, this is single player so there's no damn excuses.
[QUOTE=spectator1;51363924]Don't forget its a multiplayer game, this is single player so there's no damn excuses.[/QUOTE]
Isn't it the other way around though? Devs put more emphasis on improving performance in MP games to make sure players with diverse PCs can enjoy the game. Due to being them MP games it's easier to optimize maps and performance to the fullest because it's usually just static arena maps.
[QUOTE=SuperPlamz;51363686][URL="http://windowsreport.com/shadow-warrior-2-denuvo-drm/"]
Shadow Warrior 2 doesn't have Denuvo.[/URL]
I know you're not claiming that it does, but I think it's worth bringing up, since it was considered.[/QUOTE]
...neither did the first game. So what's the point in bringing this up? SW2 just runs better, it has fuck all to do with their DRM and anti-tamper solutions.
Looks like we're not getting sources to how Denuvo is "awfully coded" and "a vm" either it seems. Darn, maybe one day anti-Denuvo people will have more credibility than a used condom.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;51363953]...neither did the first game. So what's the point in bringing this up?[/QUOTE]
Because I have seen it used as an example of well implemented Denuvo, because the devs were considering its use, when it's not the case? Why are you getting so upset over nothing?
[QUOTE=SuperPlamz;51363961]Because I have seen it used as an example of well implemented Denuvo, because the devs were considering its use, when it's not the case? Why are you getting so upset over nothing?[/QUOTE]
Ah, sorry about that, I read the post and somehow came to an entirely different conclusion.
Whoops.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;51363953]...neither did the first game. So what's the point in bringing this up? SW2 just runs better, it has fuck all to do with their DRM and anti-tamper solutions.
Looks like we're not getting sources to how Denuvo is "awfully coded" and "a vm" either it seems. Darn, maybe one day anti-Denuvo people will have more credibility than a used condom.[/QUOTE]
Uhh, denuvo IS a vm. Just google "denuvo vm". Unless of course anything not directly from developers' mouth is not credible to you, in which case this is pointless to discuss.
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51364452]Uhh, denuvo IS a vm. Just google "denuvo vm". Unless of course anything not directly from developers' mouth is not credible to you, in which case this is pointless to discuss.[/QUOTE]
Okay, but if you're going to claim things you should probably link people to the resources that explain it. It's not "common knowledge", it's a really fucking specific piece of knowledge related to a really fucking specific area of computing science.
I do know anti-tampers are generally VMs (it's the only way to do it reasonably currently as you need to abstract a lot of the lower level stuff to allow for obfuscation and encryption). But that doesn't mean someone should just not post a source explaining it.
Its sad cuz the game itself is great. There's some fixes out there which seem to have eliminated my performance problems. Hopefully the official patch comes soon.
I guess Ill have to grab the console version then.
[QUOTE=Covalent;51353508]I'm probably going to stir the pot, but.. This game has Denuvo. A lot of games with Denuvo, come with a bunch of performance issues. Not ALL of them, but a lot of them seem to be. Now, it may not be COMPLETELY related.. But people who have pirated RoTTR, Doom 4, and other Denuvo DRM cracked games run BETTER than the actual product.
Tis a shame.[/QUOTE]
Sources would be nice, but it's important to note that Rise of the Tomb Raider's cracked version is based on an updated Steam release, not the original release on either Steam or the Windows Store (which had the most problems). Those people are likely talking about those early, pre-patched versions.
It also took about 8 months to get cracked (10 or so if you count the Xbox One release), so Denuvo totally worked.
[QUOTE=Ager O'Eggers;51350561]Alright, it seems people might be getting things a bit mixed up here.
Arkane is the game's developer, these are the guys who actually made it.
Bethesda Publishing (aka Zenimax) are the one publishing the game and calling the shots.
Bethesda Software (devs of Elder Scrolls / Fallout) isn't involved in this.
Zenimax is a really scummy kind of publisher. It's right up there with EA in terms of extorting, and fucking over, game developers.
Like others have pointed out above, it wouldn't be surprising if they strong-armed Arkane into releasing the game early, in a broken state (like they did to Obsidian with New Vegas).[/QUOTE]
I know I'm a couple of days late, but I just want to point out that a lot of the confusion with Bethesda comes down to the names they use. There is no "Bethesda Publishing" or "Bethesda Software" and Bethesda [i]Softworks[/i] don't develop games.
Bethesda Softworks is the publishing side, Bethesda Game Studios is the development side.
[QUOTE=CasualTR;51365025]I guess Ill have to grab the console version then.[/QUOTE]
I saw Achievement Hunter playing it and afaik they were playing the Xbone version, which still has shitty framedrops in certain areas.
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