Don't come to Britain, it sucks - Polidicks

[QUOTE=NoDachi;39416269]You are nonsensical to the point of frustration. Everything you say are deliberations that masquerade as coherent and reasonable but are inept, incompetent, deficient in intellectual seriousness, and reflective of an insufficient commitment to the pursuit of truth.[/QUOTE] As I already said a bunch of times, you must live in the world of the perfect economic state where everyone can get a job and whoever feels like creating a business will shit diamonds out of their ass in a few months from how successful they are. [b]It is beyond ridiculous how you think allowing just about everyone in will save economy and employment with what seems to be the worst fucking economy state the world has seen with countries up to their eyeballs in debt, everything from small to large companies dying and unemployment rates going through the roof, with new and even worse statistics coming out every few months or each year that passes.[/b] Did you know the world is gonna hit a new, higher number of unemployment? Yeah...

[QUOTE=NoDachi;39416269] You didn't read the article did you :downs:[/QUOTE] I only just read it because you edited it in. Also that article doesn't answer my question. We have a lot of unemployed people, why let people in to take jobs that could be taken by people already in this country? And the biggest of all question is, given the masses of people that the border agency have 'lost' track of, and also considering that the article suggest fewer people will be interested in the UK, what is the problem with putting heavier controls on who is allowed in?

[QUOTE=butt2089;39416374]I only just read it because you edited it in. Also that article doesn't answer my question. We have a lot of unemployed people, why let people in to take jobs that could be taken by people already in this country? And the biggest of all question is, given the masses of people that the border agency have 'lost' track of, and also considering that the article suggest fewer people will be interested in the UK, what is the problem with putting heavier controls on who is allowed in?[/QUOTE] Because [quote]Mr Stewart and Ms May omit to mention the positive effects of the last big influx of workers from new EU member countries. It was vastly higher than predicted, but it was also more successful than forecast. According to a study conducted by The Migration Observatory at the University of Oxford, migrants from so-called A8 countries (the eight countries that joined the EU in 2004) made a positive contribution to the country’s public finances in each fiscal year since their EU accession. Although they mostly work in low-wage jobs, their labour-force participation and employment rates tend to be higher than average, which offsets the impact of their lower wages. A number of studies show that immigrants are slowing the ageing of Britain’s population. And despite the popular belief that a new wave of immigrants will increase unemployment, the National Institute of Economics and Social Research says there is no aggregate impact of migration on unemployment.[/quote] and this will also answer your question at the end: [url]http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21564841-britains-immigration-policy-crippling-business-and-economy-wake-up-mr-cameron-tories[/url] [quote]As emerging countries grow, the enthusiasm of young, talented foreigners to get an education in a British university or to sell their wares to Britain’s relatively prosperous consumers is likely to diminish. For now, though, the country’s global popularity gives it a huge advantage, which the government is squandering. The world is a competitive place. Britain is trying to run with its shoelaces tied together.[/quote]

[QUOTE=butt2089;39416374]considering that the article suggest fewer people will be interested in the UK, what is the problem with putting heavier controls on who is allowed in?[/QUOTE] Well if they don't want to come here then why bother?

[QUOTE=butt2089;39416250]Except we live in an age where machines do most of our work, we do not need a massive young workforce to sustain the older part of our population - a part of the population which will undoubtedly work until a much older age. I also fail to see how allowing people without qualifications or skills into the country will be of any benefit?[/QUOTE] Don't you get it? It's magical land! They will suddenly get jobs, their lives will improve, and others will start companies with the money they don't quite have yet! It's gonna be awesome to see a carpenter doing chemistry!

where are the citations jesus christ, is this just make up your own argument day or something

[QUOTE=Bobie;39416404]where are the citations jesus christ, is this just make up your own argument day or something[/QUOTE] What fucking citations? Fuck sakes, go read a newspaper or watch the news or the economist or whatever. I don't even study economy and I know that it's in shambles. Oh, forgot to mention. I DID ask someone who studies economy, who confirmed what I've been saying since forever.

[QUOTE=Bobie;39416404]where are the citations jesus christ, is this just make up your own argument day or something[/QUOTE] Bobie did you know that immigrants spend up to 80% of their day plotting to kill the Queen? I don't need a source, of course, it's just common sense. [B]Also bolding your arguments makes them legally correct, regardless of content![/B]

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39416494]What fucking citations? Fuck sakes, go read a newspaper or watch the news or the economist or whatever. I don't even study economy and I know that it's in shambles. Oh, forgot to mention. I DID ask someone who studies economy, who confirmed what I've been saying since forever.[/QUOTE] So basically... You have nothing. Great. Well done. You failed to even form a basic argument.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;39416382]Because and this will also answer your question at the end: [url]http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21564841-britains-immigration-policy-crippling-business-and-economy-wake-up-mr-cameron-tories[/url][/QUOTE] Because progress never reaches a halt right?...

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39416494]What fucking citations? Fuck sakes, go read a newspaper or watch the news or the economist or whatever. I don't even study economy and I know that it's in shambles. [b]Oh, forgot to mention. I DID ask someone who studies economy, who confirmed what I've been saying since forever.[/b][/QUOTE] im tempted to call poe's law at this point

[QUOTE=NoDachi;39416512]So basically... You have nothing. Great. Well done. You failed to even form a basic argument.[/QUOTE] And you have a piece on something that could change in a year. Congratulations.

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39416513]Because progress never reaches a halt right?...[/QUOTE] [b]WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN YOU UNSUBSTANTIATING SHIT[/b] seriously though, get a grip and actually start making sense.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;39416508]Bobie did you know that immigrants spend up to 80% of their day plotting to kill the Queen? I don't need a source, of course, it's just common sense. [B]Also bolding your arguments makes them legally correct, regardless of content![/B][/QUOTE] Hey, look who popped out of the closet full of boxes to make a dumb out of topic joke.

[QUOTE=Bobie;39416515]im tempted to call poe's law at this point[/QUOTE] it's looking that way.

my mate [i]totally[/i] knows about the economy for a living. he was once crowned 'most knowledgeable person on the economy ever'. he said every argument i made in this thread was 100% true and that he also wanted to add that you're all poopy heads, and gay.

needs more bold

THE ECONOMIST JUST DOESN'T [B]UNDERSTAND THE ECONOMY![/B] dave from down the street does tho [editline]edit[/editline] did i do good

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39416540]Hey, look who popped out of the closet full of boxes to make a dumb out of topic joke.[/QUOTE] It's true, I asked a guy who knows a guy who once heard an immigrant slag off the Queen. Of course they're trying to kill her!

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39416196]Thats the funny thing. Heres some more information from Portugal... Every single PM from 2000 onwards has constantly said the same thing: "Buckle up and save as much as you can, because taxes are gonna be increased."[/QUOTE] That's nice. This is the UK, not Portugal. [QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39416196]Which takes me to the second point: Where are you gonna get your customers when they don't have the "power" to buy anything with high taxes and high unemployment?[/QUOTE] So then it's not an immigration issue, but a taxation and employment issue. [QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39416196]How wont it make it any worse? You assumedly have to give benefits to everyone who starts living in your country, employed or non-employed, don't you?[/QUOTE] No... Why would we give benefits to people who move into the UK and support themselves? It doesn't work like that.

[QUOTE=Hellduck;39416396]Well if they don't want to come here then why bother?[/QUOTE] When Poland joined the EU we were told that not very many would come, a lot came. If so few want to come then processing their applications/forms shouldn't be too much of a problem, surely? Immigrants should have employment, sponsorship or a place of study to enter the UK - why else would we want them to come? [QUOTE=Bobie;39416404]where are the citations jesus christ, is this just make up your own argument day or something[/QUOTE] Barely any of your posts have citations.. The citation you gave me a few pages back was in regard to complaints made to the border agency numbering 480, the example given of a Jamaican guy who's case had been lost. There are 150,000 cases of immigrants who have overstayed their visas and refuse to leave - you couldn't complain to them about it because you have no link to any of the cases.

[QUOTE=butt2089;39416584]When Poland joined the EU we were told that not very many would come, a lot came.[/QUOTE] Which turned out to be brilliant for the economy. remember this part? [quote]Mr Stewart and Ms May omit to mention the positive effects of the last big influx of workers from new EU member countries. It was vastly higher than predicted, but it was also more successful than forecast.[/quote]

[QUOTE=butt2089;39416584]When Poland joined the EU we were told that not very many would come, a lot came. If so few want to come then processing their applications/forms shouldn't be too much of a problem, surely? Immigrants should have employment, sponsorship or a place of study to enter the UK - why else would we want them to come? Barely any of your posts have citations.. The citation you gave me a few pages back was in regard to complaints made to the border agency numbering 480, the example given of a Jamaican guy who's case had been lost. There are 150,000 cases of immigrants who have overstayed their visas and refuse to leave - you couldn't complain to them about it because you have no link to any of the cases.[/QUOTE] does a citation not count as a citation when you don't like the outcome

[QUOTE=NoDachi;39416607]Which turned out to be brilliant for the economy. remember this part?[/QUOTE] Please give me some citation. The economist omit to mention what the positive effects actually were, besides the fact that they were "positive". [QUOTE=Bobie;39416624]does a citation not count as a citation when you don't like the outcome[/QUOTE] A citation doesn't count when it's irrelevant [url]http://www.citation.co.uk/[/url] - here you go, I believe I win this argument.

[QUOTE=butt2089;39416642]Please give me some citation. The economist omit to mention what the positive effects actually were, besides the fact that they were "positive".[/QUOTE] You mean one of the most globally credible sources in the world isn't good enough for you? If you [B]actually read the article[/B] like I keep saying, then it explains it. Don't expect me to quote the whole damn thing for you.

[QUOTE=butt2089;39416642]Please give me some citation. The economist omit to mention what the positive effects actually were, besides the fact that they were "positive". A citation doesn't count when it's irrelevant [url]http://www.citation.co.uk/[/url] - here you go, I believe I win this argument.[/QUOTE] you asked for a citation on whether or not the border control was secure. i showed you that a vast majority of border control disputes are solved. if anything, your made up fact (you didnt actually cite the number) is far less relevant. you can either cite sources or i can make incredibly witty remarks about how dumb your views are for the next 5 pages. your choice

[QUOTE=Bobie;39416699]i can make incredibly witty remarks about how dumb your views are for the next 5 pages. your choice[/QUOTE] I choose this.

[QUOTE=David29;39416561]No... Why would we give benefits to people who move into the UK and support themselves? It doesn't work like that.[/QUOTE] Riiiight... Because free benefits or getting overly payed beyond normal doesn't happens at all.

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39416811]Riiiight... Because free benefits or getting overly payed beyond normal doesn't happens at all.[/QUOTE] It's not the norm at all. Most fresh immigrants can't claim benefits, except in certain situations.

I love it how you guys post a couple of citations from here and there, demanding that we post citations aswell, while completely ignoring the economical state we live in. OH hey! [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/01/31/euro-unemployment-rates_n_1243465.html[/url] OH hi! [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10604117[/url] For the UK, by the UK.