Don't come to Britain, it sucks - Polidicks

'small high street businesses' or 'mom and pop' stores usually suck anyway

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[QUOTE=DaysBefore;39392073]Yay, Bobie's back[/QUOTE] love u

[QUOTE=Bobie;39392183]love u[/QUOTE] ive been dreaming of u bby

[QUOTE=Bobie;39391975]if you think ultra-strict immigration is a good economic policy (and use chinese stores as a reason for such a policy), it's probably time to close the farage videos, ukip manifesto, daily mail tabs and experience the real world for a bit[/QUOTE] Implying you've experienced the real world? Like fuck you have. Try going to Sparkbrook or Sparkhill in Birmingham, then see how wonderful immigration has been.

[QUOTE=butt2089;39392257]Implying you've experienced the real world? Like fuck you have. Try going to Sparkbrook or Sparkhill in Birmingham, then see how wonderful immigration has been.[/QUOTE] or southhall, or upton park, or east ham......

[QUOTE=butt2089;39392257]Implying you've experienced the real world? Like fuck you have. Try going to Sparkbrook or Sparkhill in Birmingham, then see how wonderful immigration has been.[/QUOTE] i'm just giving you the facts, baby there's no real effect on unemployment as a direct result of open door immigration, however, closing the doors to all immigration can have quite the adverse effect on an economy. telling me to visit X city that has problems (likely entirely unrelated to immigration) doesn't really hold up as an actual argument "this predominantly ethnic community has alot of issues with unemployment! must be to do with the fact that they're immigrants"

[QUOTE=Bobie;39392300]i'm just giving you the facts, baby there's no real effect on unemployment as a direct result of open door immigration, however, closing the doors to all immigration can have quite the adverse effect on an economy. telling me to visit X city that has problems (likely entirely unrelated to immigration) doesn't really hold up as an actual argument "this predominantly ethnic community has alot of issues with unemployment! must be to do with the fact that they're immigrants"[/QUOTE] You're giving such a muddled argument. Firstly, what I quoted was not in reference to unemployment. You stated the economy as a whole - unemployment being a small part of which. How about the effects on public services, housing etc.? What of the massive increase in public sector jobs during the time mass immigration took place? The reference to bad areas in Birmingham was, again, not in reference to unemployment but to the effects of immigration as a whole. Secondly, you're misrepresenting your opposition. 'closing the doors to all immigration' - no one is suggesting that, and how is it not reasonable to suggest limited immigration? If people are skilled or want to study, great, they can come on a visa. Why would you want hundreds of thousands of unskilled workers when there are plenty out of work in this country already? And yes telling you to visit a certain area does hold up as an argument, particularly when you yourself were telling people to 'experience the real world' - yet you keep going back to 'statistics' - make up your mind..

[QUOTE=Bobie;39391772][URL]http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2013/01/eu-and-immigration[/URL][/QUOTE] [B]I really really wished the bad reading rating was still alive[/B]. [QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39391284]Errr... Some would disagree. Chinese stores actually fuck up business for other local stores. [B]People complain a lot about business going bad because of their much cheaper prices.[/B] Good for the customers though, and they are always so friendly.[/QUOTE] Learn to read the part where I said people complain that chinese owned stores usually sell stuff for lower prices than their stores. [editline]28th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=El Burro;39391875]An inherent problem with most superstores, I'm sure Tesco and Asda do more damage to small high street businesses than any Chinese supermarket could.[/QUOTE] That goes for places where there are those superstores. We don't have any of those here. In my city, theres about 4 or 5 chinese owned stores, some even on the same street. I wonder if they are all a partnership or something... [editline]28th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=NoDachi;39391855]You're right. They're completely uninformed over basic economics as well.[/QUOTE] So, you have a store, and then someone opens a store near yours that sells stuff for lower prices. That person isn't being bad for your business at all? Ok then... [editline]28th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Bobie;39391975]if you think ultra-strict immigration is a good economic policy (and use chinese stores as a reason for such a policy), it's probably time to close the farage videos, ukip manifesto, daily mail tabs and experience the real world for a bit[/QUOTE] I gave an example, nothing else. Didn't mention them as a straight reason for ultra-strict immigration policies. So, in your opinion, you should let anyone in? That isn't working out too well for a few countries. [editline]28th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=butt2089;39392257]Implying you've experienced the real world? Like fuck you have. Try going to Sparkbrook or Sparkhill in Birmingham, then see how wonderful immigration has been.[/QUOTE] "But statistics! And people aren't a hivemind!" [editline]28th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Bobie;39392300]i'm just giving you the facts, baby there's no real effect on unemployment as a direct result of open door immigration, however, closing the doors to all immigration can have quite the adverse effect on an economy. telling me to visit X city that has problems (likely entirely unrelated to immigration) doesn't really hold up as an actual argument "this predominantly ethnic community has alot of issues with unemployment! must be to do with the fact that they're immigrants"[/QUOTE] You know what idea I get from people around FP when it comes to one of these debates? FPers just start calling out "racist!" and stuff of the sort, telling people to go out and experience the real world, while all the information they get is the least bits of positive information from it. Theres people calling europeans racist... Really? So, the whole of Europe is racist? There is no problem at all with whatever people Europe are racist towards? White man is the bad man all the time? Just my 2 cents.

Title inmediatly reminded me of this: [video=youtube;wcJJfcRR3JQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcJJfcRR3JQ[/video]

[QUOTE=butt2089;39393436]Secondly, you're misrepresenting your opposition. 'closing the doors to all immigration' - no one is suggesting that, and how is it not reasonable to suggest limited immigration? If people are skilled or want to study, great, they can come on a visa. Why would you want hundreds of thousands of unskilled workers when there are plenty out of work in this country already?[/QUOTE] That is the problem some people here can't get through their heads. They expect every incoming immigrant to be able to get a job or anything of the sort and lead a normal life. This did NOT go well for so many countries that it isn't even funny...

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39393976]They expect every incoming immigrant to be able to get a job or anything of the sort and lead a normal life. This did NOT go well for so many countries that it isn't even funny...[/QUOTE] You respond to a post about misrepresenting the opposition by misrepresenting your own opposition? Obviously not [I]every[/I] immigrant who comes to a country is going to find work, but is that really how it should work? "Come and find a job if you can, but only if you're skilled and educated already, and if the job market's not too favourable and you don't get a job then we'll deport you. If we can't do that then we'll call you a benefits scrounger. And don't even think about trying to come over to get the education you need if the situation in your town or your country is poor, you're just an unskilled immigrant." Is that how it is? I'm not saying you are saying this but this is what it sounds like.

[QUOTE=Megafan;39394034]And don't even think about trying to come over to get the education you need if the situation in your town or your country is poor, you're just an unskilled immigrant." Is that how it is? I'm not saying you are saying this but this is what it sounds like.[/QUOTE] wrong because I did along with many others

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;39383103]The entire north side of the country is a dump, the wages are hilarious.[/QUOTE] lmao this is the most misinformed shit i've ever read. and here's a tip: wages are lower in the north but the living costs are also tiny in comparison to the majority of the south. university students in london get an extra large loan just to cope with the monumentally higher living costs

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39393752][B]I really really wished the bad reading rating was still alive[/B]. Learn to read the part where I said people complain that chinese owned stores usually sell stuff for lower prices than their stores. You know what idea I get from people around FP when it comes to one of these debates? FPers just start calling out "racist!" and stuff of the sort, telling people to go out and experience the real world, while all the information they get is the least bits of positive information from it. Theres people calling europeans racist... Really? So, the whole of Europe is racist? There is no problem at all with whatever people Europe are racist towards? White man is the bad man all the time? Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE] maybe if the chinese are successful in beating competitors, the other shops should learn to compete with them better? if anything, competition beating other competition is just capitalism being capitalism. and i've not mentioned you being racist or xenophobic once. i'm just saying, your beliefs go against basic economics.

I like living in Britain. Most people here will say it is shit but that is mostly because we are all cynical arseholes who love a bloody good moan.

i like putting up with rain and enjoying the security of living in a largely socialist-influenced state. the only places i'd consider living otherwise are sweden and a select few other northern european countries. i'd maybe live in the US if i was rich and secure i've been on holiday to a lot of countries in the med and it baffles me how little state involvement there is in the day-to-day lives of its citizens. just the little things like shit public transport, shit public services, roads that are half a century old, shitty old houses, shit internet, shit phones. i'll take inner-city manchester with all its rain and pigeons over that

[QUOTE=Megafan;39394034]You respond to a post about misrepresenting the opposition by misrepresenting your own opposition? Obviously not [I]every[/I] immigrant who comes to a country is going to find work, but is that really how it should work? "Come and find a job if you can, but only if you're skilled and educated already, and if the job market's not too favourable and you don't get a job then we'll deport you. If we can't do that then we'll call you a benefits scrounger. And don't even think about trying to come over to get the education you need if the situation in your town or your country is poor, you're just an unskilled immigrant." Is that how it is? I'm not saying you are saying this but this is what it sounds like.[/QUOTE] So, basically, be an immigrant that gets benefits, but can't benefit with anything towards society? You seriously don't see anything wrong there? I mean, nationals usually stop getting unemployment paychecks after a while, and they get no benefits whatsoever if they never worked and have good health and if they DO get welfare they ARE called scroungers... Yet, immigrants would totally be fine if they did that? ...you really don't see the problem there? You don't see the problems in a mass immigration spree? Heres a thought: Due to the ammount of unemployment in Portugal and the debt they have there, the welfare and unemployment checks are having its value cut down a lot. This has nothing to do with immigration, mind you. It's just an idea of what massive unemployment pay and debt does. [editline]28th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Bobie;39394195]maybe if the chinese are successful in beating competitors, the other shops should learn to compete with them better? if anything, competition beating other competition is just capitalism being capitalism. and i've not mentioned you being racist or xenophobic once. i'm just saying, your beliefs go against basic economics.[/QUOTE] So you'd have to sell your stuff EVEN CHEAPER than the chinese would, and thats ridiculous. Theres a reason why they are famous, and that reason is their absolutely low prices. I know you haven't, but I can sense several FPers waiting for someone to say something "outrageous" to jump on him with boxes and "hurr you're worse than Hitler!" remarks.

[QUOTE=Camundongo;39383327]Only parts of the UK suck. Like Portsmouth. Portsmouth sucks. I should know, I live here.[/QUOTE] I can back that up, not because I live there, but because I'm from your rival city. Southampton 2k13 blut blut. Seriously though, as much as I'd love to live somewhere else, it's really not that bad here. Then again I'm lucky enough to live in a nice area. Englands weird, you'll have a really nice area and then literally round the corner it's awful. All in all I like it here, but we're just a self loathing country. It's the people that suck

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39394298]So, basically, be an immigrant that gets benefits, but can't benefit with anything towards society? You seriously don't see anything wrong there? I mean, nationals usually stop getting unemployment paychecks after a while, and they get no benefits whatsoever if they never worked and have good health and if they DO get welfare they ARE called scroungers... Yet, immigrants would totally be fine if they did that? ...you really don't see the problem there? You don't see the problems in a mass immigration spree?[/QUOTE] the problem is in your head, roc there's no difference between an unemployed immigrant and an unemployed [I]pure blooded aryan[/I] british person. there has never been any sound proof that immigrants contribute to unemployment, or that they are more likely to be 'benefit scroungers'. if these invisible british store owners want to compete with the chinese, they better get rid of their morals and either work with the free market, or fight to end it

[QUOTE=Bobie;39394372]the problem is in your head, roc there's no difference between an unemployed immigrant and an unemployed [I]pure blooded aryan[/I] british person. there has never been any sound proof that immigrants contribute to unemployment, or that they are more likely to be 'benefit scroungers'. if these invisible british store owners want to compete with the chinese, they better get rid of their morals and either work with the free market, or fight to end it[/QUOTE] There isn't a problem in my head, you're just not understanding what I'm saying at all... The problem isn't the fact that it's an [b]immigrant[/b]! It's the fact that it's a mass of more individuals.

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39394420]There isn't a problem in my head, you're just not understanding what I'm saying at all... The problem isn't the fact that it's an [b]immigrant[/b]! It's the fact that it's a mass of more individuals.[/QUOTE] but without migration, the population increase of the uk would be incredibly stagnant. [URL="http://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/impact-migration-uk-population-growth"]half of our growth[/URL] is as a result of immigration [url]https://www.google.co.uk/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=sp_pop_grow&idim=country:GBR&dl=en&hl=en&q=population%20increase%20uk[/url] the rate is actually alot slower than it was 50 years ago

[QUOTE=Bobie;39394492]but without migration, the population increase of the uk would be incredibly stagnant. [URL="http://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/impact-migration-uk-population-growth"]half of our growth[/URL] is as a result of immigration [url]https://www.google.co.uk/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=sp_pop_grow&idim=country:GBR&dl=en&hl=en&q=population%20increase%20uk[/url] the rate is actually alot slower than it was 50 years ago[/QUOTE] Why do you keep talking about migration. I'm talking about how resources (not just natural resources, everything a person would need) can't keep up with an increase in the number of individuals depending on them.

[QUOTE=Legolas;39390249]Kinda late but I heard there's a new batch of Lithuanians incoming so you better be prepared :v:[/QUOTE] no complaints about Lithuanian women, if ya know what I mean. In fact ya all can send all your hottest women here, we already got a few of them, but they're fairly outnumbered by your other less desirables. also if we could just nuke northern Ireland from orbit, that'd be great. Of course once we get all the republicans out, the nationalists can decide if they wanna live or not, and the unionists, well don't need to explain anything to ya there.

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39394522]Why do you keep talking about migration. I'm talking about how resources (not just natural resources, everything a person would need) can't keep up with an increase in the number of individuals depending on them.[/QUOTE] but they pay taxes, consume, start businesses like you do, why would population increase make a difference? population growth is an extremely important factor for any first world society

[QUOTE=Bobie;39394372]the problem is in your head, roc there's no difference between an unemployed immigrant and an unemployed [I]pure blooded aryan[/I] british person. there has never been any sound proof that immigrants contribute to unemployment, or that they are more likely to be 'benefit scroungers'. if these invisible british store owners want to compete with the chinese, they better get rid of their morals and either work with the free market, or fight to end it[/QUOTE] Of course there is a difference. The immigrant could have been refused entry, it could have been prevented - we do NOT need more people on benefits or unemployed, especially as we already have so many people unemployed and are struggling to get them into work. Also, stop going back to your unemployment bullshit - an immigrant might bring a wife and 3 kids with him that, by your statistical outlook, would not increase the unemployment figures as they're all economically inactive. They will all use the NHS though, go to public schools, use public services, the lot.. it all costs money, your unemployment statistic is not applicable to all immigration.

[QUOTE=Bobie;39394569]but they pay taxes, consume, start businesses like you do, why would population increase make a difference? population growth is an extremely important factor for any first world society[/QUOTE] Except for the ones who don't, which I imagine, are a lot. We can clearly see where the world is currently at in what comes to taxes, which makes this situation bad.

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39394648]Except for the ones who don't,[B] which I imagine[/B], are a lot. We can clearly see where the world is currently at in what comes to taxes, which makes this situation bad.[/QUOTE] There's your problem.

[QUOTE=Bobie;39394569]but they pay taxes, consume, start businesses like you do, why would population increase make a difference? population growth is an extremely important factor for any first world society[/QUOTE] Of the people who will come to this country to pay taxes, consume, start businesses etc. Can those people not be brought in on a points basis? Could they not be on a temporary visa of a few years to ensure that they will benefit the UK? Why do we need mass uncontrolled un-checked immigration to achieve those things?

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39394648]Except for the ones who don't, which I imagine, are a lot. We can clearly see where the world is currently at in what comes to taxes, which makes this situation bad.[/QUOTE] well, with imagination, you can do anything! :) [editline]28th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=butt2089;39394680]Of the people who will come to this country to pay taxes, consume, start businesses etc. Can those people not be brought in on a points basis? Could they not be on a temporary visa of a few years to ensure that they will benefit the UK? Why do we need mass uncontrolled un-checked immigration to achieve those things?[/QUOTE] you dont know how immigration in the UK works (you cant just walk in)