• 22 year old spared jail over sex with 15 year old - "it was utterly inappropriate but fully consente
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The age of consent here in Denmark is 15, but sex between people in their 20s and teens all the way down to 13 is apparently quite common. A lot of my female friends tell me they had sex with a guy in their early 20s when they were about 13-14. Its not really considered a sick thing here in Denmark. Personally I find it quite degenerate though. Danish culture is [B]fucked[/B] and [B]weird[/B]
[QUOTE=Ownederd;46564753] what[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;46564769]Closet pedophiles, same guys who would be upset at loli being banned in places.[/QUOTE] pretty sure he meant "it doesnt matter that a 15 year old can say no, a 10 year old can to, that doesnt mean they can give consent for sex.
[QUOTE=.Lain;46564736]are you forgetting the fact that a 15 year old can't fuckin consent[/QUOTE] what
Kind of on the fence with this one because different 15 year olds think different things. It's like Dan2593 said, there is a full possibility that the girls just wanted to fuck and consented while on the other hand they could have been manipulated by the guy with a position of power.
[QUOTE=fudge blood;46564817]I'm always on the fence about this, because when I was 15, I was mature and fully capable to consent or not while understanding the consequences. I think a lot of people forget 15 year olds don't have the mental capacity of 10 year olds. :v: Then again we all mature differently.[/QUOTE] 15 year olds haven't completed their god damned GCSEs. i doubt most 15 year olds in the UK have even had sex ed. stop trying to justify people wanting to fuck kids who aren't mentally developed sexually [editline]24th November 2014[/editline] youd have to be totally deluded to think it's okay for a 22 year old potentially out of university to have sex with someone below the legal AOC who hasn't even completed secondary education
[QUOTE=.Lain;46564850]15 year olds haven't completed their god damned GCSEs. i doubt most 15 year olds in the UK have even had sex ed. stop trying to justify people wanting to fuck kids who aren't mentally developed sexually[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Sex and relationship education Sex and relationship education (SRE) is compulsory from age 11 onwards. It involves teaching children about reproduction, sexuality and sexual health. It doesn’t promote early sexual activity or any particular sexual orientation. Some parts of sex and relationship education are compulsory - these are part of the national curriculum for science. Parents can withdraw their children from all other parts of sex and relationship education if they want.[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.gov.uk/national-curriculum/other-compulsory-subjects[/url] haha whoops
[QUOTE=fudge blood;46564817]I'm always on the fence about this, because when I was 15, I was mature and fully capable to consent or not while understanding the consequences. I think a lot of people forget 15 year olds don't have the mental capacity of 10 year olds. :v: Then again we all mature differently.[/QUOTE] don't forget that 15 year olds don't have the mental capacity of an 18 year old
[QUOTE=Snowmew;46564865][url]https://www.gov.uk/national-curriculum/other-compulsory-subjects[/url] haha whoops[/QUOTE] ok please show us a case of a 15 year old having the same mental development as a 22 year old
[QUOTE=Scot;46564843]what[/QUOTE] A child can't legally give consent. Even if the guy didn't completely avoid a sentence, the judge's reasoning is still fallacious.
[QUOTE=.Lain;46564850]15 year olds haven't completed their god damned GCSEs. i doubt most 15 year olds in the UK have even had sex ed. stop trying to justify people wanting to fuck kids who aren't mentally developed sexually [editline]24th November 2014[/editline] youd have to be totally deluded to think it's okay for a 22 year old potentially out of university to have sex with someone below the legal AOC who hasn't even completed secondary education[/QUOTE] I don't tihnk it's okay, I said I was on the fence about it even if it was consented. Just in my experience when I was 15, it isn't always a bad thing.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;46564882]ok please show us a case of a 15 year old having the same mental development as a 22 year old[/QUOTE] I never argued that. I was pointing out that UK children are required by law to be taught sex ed from ages 11 to 14, so "most" kids not knowing anything about sex by that age in the UK is flat-out wrong. Don't put words in my mouth, and don't put your dick in a 15 year old. Is that so hard to understand?
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;46564884]A child can't legally give consent. Even if the guy didn't completely avoid a sentence, the judge's reasoning is still fallacious.[/QUOTE] While true that neither children nor 15 year olds(in most places) can't give consent, teens are not kids/children.
[QUOTE=Snowmew;46564777]The concern is that you can verbally consent under duress or undue influence, but it does not mean that you personally still consent. In the law's eyes, it is impossible to give consent in such a situation, and it is still inappropriate due to the fact that the victim is in an altered or suppressed state of mind. In an extreme sense, you could consent while being brainwashed or drugged, but it still doesn't mean anything because it's not the "true" you making that statement. Sort of the same argument here.[/QUOTE] Yeah, well, as you said yourself, that wouldn't actually be consenting. [QUOTE=Starlight 456;46564829]A 15 year old is also well capable of being coerced into saying yes. More so then someone older, and more readily by someone 8 years their senior who has power over them.[/QUOTE] As could a 40 year old, in which case it's "just" rape instead of statutory rape. It was one of the girls' mothers who sued him when she found nudes (unless the Mail is lying about that point, and I don't see why they would), so there's absolutely no indication that this is what happened here.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;46564884]A child can't legally give consent. Even if the guy didn't completely avoid a sentence, the judge's reasoning is still fallacious.[/QUOTE] at the risk of sounding like a rapist i wouldnt call a 15 year old a child
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;46564769]Closet pedophiles, same guys who would be upset at loli being banned in places.[/QUOTE] I rated winner because I thought it was an appropriate punishment and a good example of decent justice therefore I like children?
[QUOTE=Scot;46564929]at the risk of sounding like a rapist i wouldnt call a 15 year old a child[/QUOTE] Still too young to be having sex with a 22 year old
[QUOTE=elitehakor;46564868]don't forget that 15 year olds don't have the mental capacity of an 18 year old[/QUOTE] What is it about the number 18 that makes it so magical?
[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;46564953]Still too young to be having sex with a 22 year old[/QUOTE] Too old to be called a child
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;46564964]What is it about the number 18 that makes it so magical?[/QUOTE] you seriously don't know? when you hit 18 years of age, that's when your mental and physical development has matured to a certain stage
[QUOTE=Ownederd;46564981]you seriously don't know?[/QUOTE] If you're asking whether I know that 18 is the age of majority in most countries, of course I know that. I'm questioning the concept of an age of majority. Everyone ages differently, and it's a cop out to choose some random number as the basis for how the law sees your maturity.
Is it ok for two 15 year olds to do it? If so, why not a 16 year old and a 15 year old? And so forth. Where is the line drawn?
[QUOTE=itisjuly;46564973]Too old to be called a child[/QUOTE] Fine a teenager, which is still not okay to be having sex with someone who is way older than her, and in a position of power over her. She cant even legally even give consent according to most state laws
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;46564924]Yeah, well, as you said yourself, that wouldn't actually be consenting.[/QUOTE] But a very clear distinction needs to be made between forceful rape and statutory rape when it comes to the legality of consent. This guy forcefully kidnapping these girls and raping them against their will is a totally different animal from manipulating them into sex. Both are wrong, but both need to be treated differently by the legal system, because both are done by totally different people. To that end, the reason judges have discretion is because not all cases are textbook. This guy was being prosecuted under the same law that would have been applied for a 62-year-old threatening a 13-year-old into consenting to sex. Yet again, two totally different scenarios. For clarification, I don't personally condone what this guy did. But it's important that we treat each case according to its own facts, and apply it to society's norms. Regardless of what you think about the subject, this sort of thing is [i]extremely[/i] common today. The judge sentenced the guy accordingly, because the law is not always black and white. Sodomy was illegal in 14 US states until 2003 - would you argue that all people engaged in sodomy before then should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law?
[QUOTE=EditOutJ;46565005]Is it ok for two 15 year olds to do it? If so, why not a 16 year old and a 15 year old? And so forth. [B]Where is the line drawn?[/B][/QUOTE] Wherever it looks icky to the outside observer.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;46565004]If you're asking whether I know that 18 is the age of majority in most countries, of course I know that. I'm questioning the concept of an age of majority. Everyone ages differently, and it's a cop out to choose some random number as the basis for how the law sees your maturity.[/QUOTE] they don't just choose a random number for laughs and i have no idea where u got that idea from
[QUOTE=EditOutJ;46565005]Is it ok for two 15 year olds to do it? If so, why not a 16 year old and a 15 year old? And so forth. Where is the line drawn?[/QUOTE] There is a large gap between 15 and 22 in physical and mental development, no matter the speed of which one matures.
[QUOTE=maxumym;46565021]Wherever it looks icky to the outside observer.[/QUOTE] The problem with that is a lot of people base their opinions on what the law says they should think. If you asked people what looked icky, a lot of them would probably say the age of consent because they don't know what else to think. It exhibits close parallels to the 85th percentile speed limit laws that are [i]supposed[/i] to dictate speed limits based on the predominant speed of traffic. The idea is that you monitor the speed of vehicles, and base the new speed limit on those vehicles. The problem is, those vehicles are doing the current speed limit in the first place, so you end up not getting truly valid results. Sort of a chicken-and-egg problem. You have to say "X came first", much like you have to say "16 is the age of consent" or "the speed limit here is 40 MPH". After that, opinions are reshaped based on that statement, and it just cycles. Disclaimer again: not arguing that we should eliminate the age of consent entirely, but it's difficult to claim that 15 year olds aren't having a ton of sex today regardless of the law. Had the law not existed and all, and we started with a clean slate, I would wager that "icky" would definitely not be in the 16-18 range.
[QUOTE=Limed00d;46565040]There is a large gap between 15 and 22 in physical and mental development, no matter the speed of which one matures.[/QUOTE] I'm asking about at what point is it thought that there is too much of a distance in physical/mental/emotional/sexual development for it to be considered wrong? Obviously there is something wrong with what this guy did, but how can we define nationally when the differences are too big, especially as the factors mentioned above will always vary from person to person.
[QUOTE=EditOutJ;46565068]I'm asking about at what point is it thought that there is too much of a distance in physical/mental/emotional/sexual development for it to be considered wrong? Obviously there is something wrong with what this guy did, but how can we define nationally when the differences are too big, especially as the factors mentioned above will always vary from person to person.[/QUOTE] a 15 yr old cannot consent because the possible ramifications from having sex w/ a person 7 years older than them isn't likely to be comprehended by the 15 year old - they won't understand that there's a power issue being involved, for one
[QUOTE=EditOutJ;46565068]I'm asking about at what point is it thought that there is too much of a distance in physical/mental/emotional/sexual development for it to be considered wrong? Obviously there is something wrong with what this guy did, but how can we define nationally when the differences are too big, especially as the factors mentioned above will always vary from person to person.[/QUOTE] There's always a relevant xkcd: [IMG]http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/dating_pools.png[/IMG]
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